jbengals1 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 I think the Bengals are in a great position to make an impact with the upcoming draft. I feel that instead of trying to draft for random positions, they should concentrate on one aspect of their game... since they aren't weak in any position right now, except for DE. I think they should draft players based on a good running game. They should draft a center, an offensive tackle, guard maybe, and a running back. The offensive line could be so deep and powerful. Then during the season, they should be known for relentlessly pounding the mess out of other teams via the running game. It makes sense; Carson is in his first year starting, the running game would be helpful with taking pressure off of him. The more you successfully pound a defense, the more worn out they get. The more an offense stays on the field and runs, the less their defense has to be on the field. And I think with drafting some offensive linemen, along with what they have... the Bengals can be a terror for most teams. They already have a passing game that other teams are gonna be fearful of, just think what a relentless run game will do. Would have been nice to have Dillon stay; then you could use one back in the first half to pound a defense, (like you would do a steak before cooking it), and the second half, you could release a fresh new back to break for massive yards. A one two "Ali" punch. What do you think. I mean, I am fantasizing a bit, but, this could be a reality. I think they should draft for a phenomenal run attack, or else a phenomenal run defense. What do you think? Vince VINCE: You’ve got it. That’s no Magic Kingdom thinking on your part and since the decision to go to Palmer, we think they have made moves to bolster the running game. Take the signings of right guard Bobbie Williams, a run specialist from Philadelphia, and their own Rich Braham at center. We also think the move down to No. 24 strongly suggests they are more open to taking a stud running back at that spot than they would be if they stayed put at No. 17. ...More... Quote
LABengalsFan09 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 Oh God please not a RB first, especially Chris Perry, who was the last good running back to come out of Michigan? They are all usually overrated backs hiding behind outstanding o-lines... Dockett, Tubbs, or Will Poole has got to be the pick. Quote
rocket Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 how about a trade down to colts we pickup grove in the 1st. & we get inds 2rd pick Quote
HoosierCat Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 We can get a center in the second or third. If Carey is there, he's a legit pick; I like him better than Grove at 24, at least. (I'm more concerned over Big Willie than Braham, for absolutely no reason, than chrish, and carey can cover both.) RB? In the first? No. In the second? No. In the third? No. In the fourth...if you must. Sheesh...let's give Rudi and Jeremi a chance, huh? Quote
chrishcovga Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 2 things : 1. Someone very special would have to be on the board at # 24 for Cincy' to trade down.2. If someone that special on Defense is still available, why would we trade down..??3.(because there is always a 3rd) - It seems to me , that no one has any faith in Bobbie Williams. I know I don't. But hope he can play well. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 I think the Bengals are in a great position to make an impact with the upcoming draft. I feel that instead of trying to draft for random positions, they should concentrate on one aspect of their game... since they aren't weak in any position right now, except for DE. And those words are precisely why Mike and Marvin WILL NOT select any runningback at #24!! Hello? Quote
jditty47 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 i bet we dont draft a dt or de in the first round...anyone wanna take that bet? I bet we go best available...and the way it looks all th good DT's will be gone as well as DE's. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 i bet we dont draft a dt or de in the first round...anyone wanna take that bet? I bet we go best available...and the way it looks all th good DT's will be gone as well as DE's. I'll take that bet 'Vegas boy!! For two reasons:#1: The draft is deeper at the defensive line positions than most "guessers" here would admit.#2: I'm not certain Mike and Marvin are done wheeling and dealing draft pick position-wise, and with a trade with who knows who to who knows where...it could very well happen!Marvin's not building a freakin' fantasy team here...he's building the Bengals baby!! :player: Quote
Indycat Posted April 15, 2004 Report Posted April 15, 2004 We gave up 138 rushing yards a game. Herring, Webster, and Gardner are not enough to turn that around.If we don't draft D-line, I gotta believe it will be a run stopping Line Backer or Safety Quote
blaynero Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 I agree with La Bengals fan. Dockett, Tubbs, and if he's around Starks. Will Poole however might be around in the second round and if not we can get a decent CB in the second round. Running Back should be a third or fourth depending who's out there. Quote
LABengalsFan09 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 I am a huge advocate for getting Bob Sanders if he's avilable in the second, but what about a double dose at the safety position and grabbing Sean Joines with the firsat pick should no quality DT be available. What if Herring is not fully healed? Anyone want to go w/ Kaesviharn at FS starting? I didn't think so. :player: Quote
BengalsDieHard1 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 I'll take that bet too. ML knows if you can't stop the run....you can say bye bye to the post season.!!!! - I'll put 2 Bengals/Redskins tickets up against 2 Bengals/Broncos ticks...any takers???? Quote
jditty47 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 my bet stands. I think we'll snatch up a LB, CB, O-Lineman or a RB in round 1 if we stay at 24...and a DT or a DE in round 2. Quote
BengalsDieHard1 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Ok JDitty..what do ya have for collateral?????? Kidding..anyway, I think ML is thinking......we'll take the best "defensive" player at #24.... Quote
chrishcovga Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 The # 1 pick should be someone that should help right away. The only area of need that wasn't addressed via free agency is the Defensive end position , granting that the Daryl Gardner signing in June is a reality..If Antwan Odom is on the board.. take him.. ! Quote
boomer77 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 interesting comments. my take: the reason why we traded down was because ML thought the top two corners -- hall and robinson -- would be gone by 17. ML attended the OSU pro day and saw gamble first hand....and clearly didn't like what he witnessed. no way do we pick gamble. so now, in my humble opinion, it seems obvious that ML is looking for best available player -- but within the context of cincy's needs. so ML must now be prioritizing -- i say he's looking at DL and OLB. no one seems to be mentioning this on the board, but kevin hardy is TERRIBLE. i mean, he's god awful, maybe the slowest lb in the league. if dj williams slips to 24 -- and i think there's a chance -- i believe ML will take him in a heartbeat. otherwise, he'll gladly settle for one of the slew of DTs that will slide in round one. maybe starks. maybe odom. being from big 12 country, i'd like to see cincy pick up rb tatum bell from oklahoma state in round three. the guy's a stud. he's as fast as any rb in the draft and he's got good hands, meaning he'd be nice change-of-pace guy to bring in for rudy on third down. Quote
chrishcovga Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 I don't think Hardy is slow at all, I think he was reading and reacting more at middle linebacker instead of attacking, because it wasn't a natural fit for him.Putting him back on the strong side, should do wonders for our rush defense.Especially when our ends come up field to much . Quote
boomer77 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 one question chrishcovga: have you ever -- ever -- seen hardy run anybody down from behind? if you have, give me a "for instance." i watched all 16 games last year, and i didn't see it once. i respect the guy -- he's hobbling around on patched-up knees -- but to my eye he was a huge liability. Quote
chrishcovga Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 1. Priest Holmes behind the line on the screen pass in the K.C. game last year.. Quote
boomer77 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 chris: in the open field, wise guy. don't play the semantics game on me. i know the play you're talking about and just becaue hardy had the angle doesn't mean he's got jets... Quote
Sox Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 chris: in the open field, wise guy. don't play the semantics game on me. i know the play you're talking about and just becaue hardy had the angle doesn't mean he's got jets... That is just plain silly.When is a LB in a position to run someone down in the open field?Very rarely.Once someone's in the open field,it's almost always a secondary player making the play. Quote
Kirkendall Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 chris: in the open field, wise guy. don't play the semantics game on me. i know the play you're talking about and just becaue hardy had the angle doesn't mean he's got jets... I think it's important to note that most RBs and WRs with the ball around the line of scrimmage juke and jive a lot, so naturally, someone will catch up to the ball carrier. Justin Smith got a lot of tackles as a result... Quote
Barbarian Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Wait a sec, guys!!! A linebacker running down a Running back in open field??? THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN--unless your name is Derrick Brooks.Usually if linebackers don't have the angle (like someone in this thread suggested) or the RB isn't juking, he's gone.The only way he gets "run down" is by a Defensive back in open field.The argument is ludicrous. Quote
chrishcovga Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 chris: in the open field, wise guy. don't play the semantics game on me. i know the play you're talking about and just becaue hardy had the angle doesn't mean he's got jets... You asked for 1--- so I came up with 1.... didn't know there were rules involved so you can make yourself right..? - Considering that Hardy has been to the probowl more times than any other linebacker we've had since..?????? Quote
The Brew Man Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 However, Hardy is a horrible cover guy. I dont want him trying to cover a TE ever again. Quote
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