HairOnFire Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I had one very reasoned discussion with BengalByTheBay...in which we actually both ended up pretty much agreeing. Meanwhile, a sentence related to the subject that lacks sarcasm seems impossible for you to write. What can I say, I'm a sarcastic sorta guy. That said, you do realize that long before you and BengalByTheBay came to an agreement he risked his own lofty reputation by backing me in this debate. It's true. In fact, I'm starting to think I may no longer be amongst the minority anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 That said, you do realize that long before you and BengalByTheBay came to an agreement he risked his own lofty reputation by backing me in this debate.Ssshhhhhhhh. Dude, knock it off. I was hoping nobody had noticed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Honestly, I am not even sure what to think any longer. Am I embarrassed by the arrests, as a Bengal fan? Very much. I cannot hide that. It's simply true. But I feel as though that experience is somehow disallowed for a 'true fan'. What's most interesting to me is that I feel as though it is because I am such a huge, HUGE fan that the arrests are that much more embarrassing. But what I sense from some others is that a true fan should accept this as just part of the sport ... or leave the fanbase if I cannot accept it. I simply do not even know what to think any longer. I'm not sure which is more embarrassing ... the arrests within my favorite team or the fans that seem to want me to accept this as part of being a fan. -Confused in Pissburgh ... but still ... and ALWAYS ... a Bengals fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I'm not sure which is more embarrassing ... the arrests within my favorite team or the fans that seem to want me to accept this as part of being a fan. -Confused in Pissburgh ... but still ... and ALWAYS ... a Bengals fan.That's easy -- the arrests are more embarassing. But in the grand scheme of life, it's not that big a deal is it? Or perhaps, it's easier for me to say not living in Pittsburgh and all. Maybe living in Pittsburgh is what should be the most embarassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 That's easy -- the arrests are more embarassing. But in the grand scheme of life, it's not that big a deal is it? Or perhaps, it's easier for me to say not living in Pittsburgh and all. Maybe living in Pittsburgh is what should be the most embarassing. Hey, cannot argue with that one. Cannot wait for the day when that particular embarrassment is no more.-Confused (AND STUCK) in Pissburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 While you may think me myopic, I might consider your view to imply an overdeveloped sense of morality. You could be right. I do think we live in a society that's a bit too willing to make excuses, to let things slide, to decide that this or that isn't *really* important. I don't think we have to get all medieval about it, but I think we could benefit from a little more indignation every once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 i don't think it is any harder to remain a fan now. then it was when we were losing all the time. i stuck through it then, i will stick through now. this is just a game if you do not like what is going on then just stop supporting the bengals. it is just that simple. nobody is being physically forced to support this team. there is not point of getting bent out of shape over things you can't control. you get pissed for a day or so then let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Just get high and laugh at them next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCinciBengal Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 i don't think it is hard to stay a fan. Sure they lose every once and a while but so does every team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 The only thing i find hard about being a bengals fan is the moronic decisions of the DC this past year, and also how when i met chad, even though being completly covered in bengal gear from head to toe he did not even say hi when i said hi to him, he just shook my hand and kept going.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 While you may think me myopic, I might consider your view to imply an overdeveloped sense of morality. You could be right. I do think we live in a society that's a bit too willing to make excuses, to let things slide, to decide that this or that isn't *really* important. I don't think we have to get all medieval about it, but I think we could benefit from a little more indignation every once in a while. It all depends on what expectations you had from the beginning. In this example I refuse to feel outrage and indignation when football players make errors in judgement that we all know aren't uncommon in all walks of life. In regards to an entity like the NFL making rules of conduct that could prevent a player from making a living in his chosen profession, I say stick to regulating conduct that is unique to that profession. For example, cheating in a sport, be it from steroid use or deliberatly tweaking the spirit and rules of the salary cap...is a very big deal to me. Others react to those issues with the same sort of who cares and what did you expect response that I had when learning Jonathan Joseph was arrested due to having pot. Round and round we go. And where you stop....pretty much depends on where you got on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Too much of a talent base on this team the next 4-5 years to flub it now.The Browns, due to Marvin and Co's poor draft choices, have to make up for it on draft day this year and also spend some $ they normally wouldn't in FA.Carson Palmer's don't come along too often. Protect him and give him at least an average defense. #30 defensive rankings aren't going to cut it in any major category.Take Aaron Sears in the 1st round or another suitable o-lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 In this example I refuse to feel outrage and indignation when football players make errors in judgement that we all know aren't uncommon in all walks of life.And therein lies the difference between you and I on this issue. I refuse to accept, "oh, everybody does it" as an excuse for poor behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 In this example I refuse to feel outrage and indignation when football players make errors in judgement that we all know aren't uncommon in all walks of life.And therein lies the difference between you and I on this issue. I refuse to accept, "oh, everybody does it" as an excuse for poor behavior.No kidding. Brings to mind two distinct 'styles' of parenting ... the "oh, every kid does it" method (aka "boys will be boys") vs. the "we are above that" method (aka "not in my house"). I refuse to allow my children to begin thinking society's behavioral norm is acceptabl for us. It honestly does not take make effort to rise above it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 And therein lies the difference between you and I on this issue. I refuse to accept, "oh, everybody does it" as an excuse for poor behavior. It's official. You're a 76-year old woman. Walking near the jail building Saturday morning, Alvera Held, 76, of Taylor Mill, said she used to be a Bengals fan. But now she's disgusted."I think the whole team ought to be disciplined over what they do - the whole outfit," Held said. "No wonder they can't win." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Brings to mind two distinct 'styles' of parenting ... the "oh, every kid does it" method (aka "boys will be boys") vs. the "we are above that" method (aka "not in my house"). I refuse to allow my children to begin thinking society's behavioral norm is acceptabl for us. It honestly does not take make effort to rise above it all. Feel free to raise your children however you please. However, one of the core points of this thread deals with the hypocrisy parents feel when presumably having conversation with their children about continuing to be a Bengal fan after players like Jonathan Joseph have been arrested for possession of marijuana. Well excuse me, but aren't you feeling like a hypocrite because as parents you feel pressured to tell your children that smoking pot is a bad thing...yet it's something you might have done....or perhaps still do? And before you rather predictably tell me you're not guilty of such a thing keep in mind that studies claim that almost 80% of the children raised in the 60's 70's and 80's tried marijuana at least once, and more than half used it on a regular basis for an extended period of time. Frankly, I have little doubt why you guys are uncomfortable dealing with the pressure you feel as parents due to the overwhelming desire to teach your children life lessons that you have already learned. Too often you're put into situations where you have to instruct your little men and women to do as you say, and not as you've done. Thus, nagging feelings of guilt, embarrassment, and hypocrisy. And how dare the Bengals back you into this sort of moral corner, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 You would all see this a diferent way stoned. Who cares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 #30 defensive rankings aren't going to cut it in any major category.Well, to tell you the truth, minus a great defensive draft and "then" having those same rookies produce at a high level. (Maybe I shouldn't say high) I think we are in for much of the same for next season from our defense. I hate Bresnahan and hate how bad our defenses have been when our offense is so stellar. Regardless of how some games went for the offense this year, I still wouldn't trade them for anything !!!Please get Carson, Chad, and Rudi (as well as the rest of the offense) a F*CKING defense worth a sh*t !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 After watching 10 hours worth of Superbowl highlights, it reaffirmed what I always knew. Defense wins championships. The Bills, just couldn't pull any of those games out. Neither could Cincinnati. Defense, Defense, Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Too often you're put into situations where you have to instruct your little men and women to do as you say, and not as you've done.Too often? If you think it's only "too often," then you've never raised any kids.Oh, wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Too often you're put into situations where you have to instruct your little men and women to do as you say, and not as you've done.Too often? If you think it's only "too often," then you've never raised any kids.Oh, wait... You're right, I don't have children so I probably drastically underestimated how often a parent has to adopt positions and public displays that are firmly entrenched in hypocrisy. Your type has to do such things constantly, right? Props to all of the breeders of the world. You're far braver than I. (But less honest.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riagogogoindanati Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hey....I will remain a fan no matter what......these arrests are embarrassing. There have been far too many teams in this league with their own embarrassments over the years, even those that have gone on to win the big game. We just have to deal with it as fans and move on.....hopefully with a more moral team. If not, I'm still wearing my damn stripes.I can see those of you in here who are parents.......and the choices you have to make when teaching your children right from wrong. I think it would be difficult to teach them "do as I do" while wearing a Thurman or Henry jersey. I can see how hard it would be for a child to make the distinction between "a player doing bad things, but my dad wears his jersey." Good luck.......glad I don't have kids, yet! Even if you are a straight up Bengals fan.........and not necessarily a fan of a particular player........you really can't buy a jersey without a name and number on it. Well I guess you can.......but, I think you'd look like, a well..................WHO-Freakin-DEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboat Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I guess I don't get the parenting perspective either. I tell my kids they're freaking idiots when I hear the news & that is why you don't drink & drive or smoke weed because it's against the law & no matter who you are you will be arrested & have that on your record for life also they're very lucky they didn't hurt or kill someone drinking & driving. Try to turn a negative into a positive it doesn't make them bad people they just made poor choices & wise men learns from other peoples mistakes! If you are a parent who doesn't feel comfortable wearing a Henry jersey stop wearing it & buy you another one maybe a willie Anderson jersey you don't have to quit rooting for your team. If you feel guilty about doing the same things when you were younger maybe you should get conseling to help you resolve those feelings personally I don't feel my children need to know everything I've done, some things are better left in the past.These guys are NOT my kids or my role models so it isn't much of an issue for my family & what they do off the field I could care less that is up to the players involved & the NFL , therein lays the problem, the CBA really puts the teams & coaches in a difficult situation by limiting what they're able to do in discouraging further problems hopefully these new changes will be effective & limit some of these issues. ML is getting alot of heat but he took chances on the players who had alot of talent ( they do) but the PLAYERS let him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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