bengals cap information

[AGrizzlyBaer]

http://cap.go-bengals.com/

kind of a cool site not sure how true it is. but it looks pretty good. thought i might share it with you guys

[delhole]

It has a cool "What If" feature where you can include FA's into the 07 cap. Nice site!

[schroomytunes]

Like I have said a 1000 times, we are ok under the cap, but we need to cut the dead weight on defense so that we can sign the guys we need to get us over the top in 07. From this list it reaffirms the ones I would like to see packing their bags:

1)John Thornton, Brian Simmons, and Brian Robinson- they are all underachievers who dont warrant their salarys anymore, that would free up @8 million more for FA.

2)Use the extra money to resign your own FA's that are vital to this team(R.Kelly,KK,LJ,Caleb,and K.Watson) while they are not studs they are important role players. They all would fit under the 8 million saved from the above cuts.

3)Then PURSUE 1-2 solid free agents in the FA period, we need to come out firing, here are some of my top targets:

a)London Fletcher(MLB)

b)Asante Samuel(CB)

c)Vonnie Holliday(Dt/DE)

d)Tim Rattay(QB)

-we need to get at least 2 of these guys to allow us to supplement through the Draft.

[turningpoint]

LOL we're getting brian simmons for a steal considering how much he knows about this D.

If that man was cut and signed up in NE He'd be a probowler.

JT should go. Robinson, if cut should be resigned for the veteran minimum.

[Spor_tees]

http://cap.go-bengals.com/

kind of a cool site not sure how true it is. but it looks pretty good. thought i might share it with you guys

I protest anything from Go-Bengals! They banished me for not agreeing with all the mods opinions!

And because I was a Chris Perry hater.

[GregCook]

Anything else?

Getting banned isn't so bad, it helps you get your life back.

Now about the go-bengals, it shows a very modest hit to the cap should they cut Odell. Big savings for cutting Deltha. Given the defenses performance over the last 3 years, I got to believe Marvin will cut a wide swath thru it. Thornton, Robinson won't be back. Tory obviously. Simmons has been a stud but he's well past 30 too, no surprise if he's traded. Speaking of that, the NFL really sucks when it comes to trades, its the least trade friendly pro sport in America.

http://cap.go-bengals.com/

kind of a cool site not sure how true it is. but it looks pretty good. thought i might share it with you guys

I protest anything from Go-Bengals! They banished me for not agreeing with all the mods opinions!

And because I was a Chris Perry hater.

[BengalByTheBay]

I suppose we've all got our own opinions about which players are worth their salaries. What caught my eye was the opinion that somebody like Caleb Miller or Kenny Watson is a "vital" role player, while Simmons is an overpaid underachiever. Miller was close to getting cut last pre-season. He is situational at best. While he's had a few modestly good games, he also completely disappears at times as a starter and was horrible the preceding year. Simmons clearly is on the downside, but he is the only real veteran LB and knows all 3 spots. To cut 2 D-lineman and a veteran LB (all starters) in order to keep 5 marginal NFL players (a 5 for 3 swap) only 1.5 of which are typically starters seems a poor move to me. More players who cost less and are demonstrably worse makes not a lot of sense to me.

[Stripes]

I suppose we've all got our own opinions about which players are worth their salaries. What caught my eye was the opinion that somebody like Caleb Miller or Kenny Watson is a "vital" role player, while Simmons is an overpaid underachiever. Miller was close to getting cut last pre-season. He is situational at best. While he's had a few modestly good games, he also completely disappears at times as a starter and was horrible the preceding year. Simmons clearly is on the downside, but he is the only real veteran LB and knows all 3 spots. To cut 2 D-lineman and a veteran LB (all starters) in order to keep 5 marginal NFL players (a 5 for 3 swap) only 1.5 of which are typically starters seems a poor move to me. More players who cost less and are demonstrably worse makes not a lot of sense to me.

Agreed. The veterans aren't what they once were (and some of them never were at all), but dumping them all to save money and keep the backups seems like a stupid move from a depth standpoint. I doubt Tory will still be here with Joseph having a year under his belt, but Simmons and Thornton should be simply because they are the best we have. If we pursue any free agents, they become more disposable... but when do the Bengals ever really do that outside last offseason? We already picked up Adams, so I doubt we go after a free agent DT. We probably won't get any LB of note either. Samuel or Clements is possible, but Tory is all but gone anyways. Bryan Robinson sucks more than Tory though, so I won't speak in his favor.

We'll probably draft more depth, and we'll see who sticks around from there.

[Kirkendall]

Before you cut-happy guys go nuts, just remember Marvin's history of cuts in regards to his own or veterans that still play a lot.

[PhunkE1]

We'd save 3,125,000 if we cut Thornton. For that reason alone I think we have to cut him. I don't know if Peko is necessarily ready to start, but that's just to much savings to overlook. I'm sure we can find someone around the same level for half that amount this year.

[HairOnFire]

...Simmons and Thornton should be simply because they are the best we have. If we pursue any free agents, they become more disposable... but when do the Bengals ever really do that outside last offseason?

I agree completely.....right now. But you've just described two players who should be considered on the bubble, and I think it's pudent to explore if both players could be replaced this year. Granted, you may not pull the trigger due to various factors, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find a player who can give you comparable production for the same price or less.

[Stripes]

...Simmons and Thornton should be simply because they are the best we have. If we pursue any free agents, they become more disposable... but when do the Bengals ever really do that outside last offseason?

I agree completely.....right now. But you've just described two players who should be considered on the bubble, and I think it's pudent to explore if both players could be replaced this year. Granted, you may not pull the trigger due to various factors, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find a player who can give you comparable production for the same price or less.

And that's reasonable. I'd just be hesitant to save a few bucks and risk the change... Guys like Simmons and Thornton have been here a while, and probably make impacts beyond the field of play (probably among the various factors you mentioned). New guys would probably have no problem matching their contributions in tackles and such, but beyond that... Who knows.

There is room for debate either way. These guys aren't certainties to be in stripes for 2007, and I'd agree to place them "on the bubble" for now.

[jditty47]

simmons is not on the bubble. hes only on the bubble to non football knowing fans. He IS a bengal for the life of his contract. He IS the only veteran in our LB core. and to reiterate what turningpoint said, if he was picked up by diff team, hes a probowler. look at what foley did after he left. Simmons hasnt had a great line in front of him since hes been here and yet he still manages to make plays and consistently tackles. if we get rid of simmons we might as well get rid of willie.

[Spor_tees]

simmons is not on the bubble. hes only on the bubble to non football knowing fans. He IS a bengal for the life of his contract. He IS the only veteran in our LB core. and to reiterate what turningpoint said, if he was picked up by diff team, hes a probowler. look at what foley did after he left. Simmons hasnt had a great line in front of him since hes been here and yet he still manages to make plays and consistently tackles. if we get rid of simmons we might as well get rid of willie.

To add to your point, he has been moved to inside and outside, coached by what 3? 4? different Defensive Coord.? The defense hasn't had an identity the entire time he has been here, and hasn't had a decent side kick at LB since Spikes left. He really hasn't been put into a position to thrive and succeed.

[jditty47]

exactly exactly exactly.

only way i see a superbowl in our near future is keeping the players that havent showed deterioration (which simmons has not, but mb james has), and keepign the players that have performed well when healthy (chris perry). all of you that want those 2 cut obviously to me do not want the best 22 on the field at all times and do not want a superbowl in the near future.

[Spor_tees]

exactly exactly exactly.

only way i see a superbowl in our near future is keeping the players that havent showed deterioration (which simmons has not, but mb james has), and keepign the players that have performed well when healthy (chris perry). all of you that want those 2 cut obviously to me do not want the best 22 on the field at all times and do not want a superbowl in the near future.

I'm not going to agree with Chris Perry.

If the Bengals can trade Christy Perry for a Third Rounder, in the immortal words of the two live Stews, "He's goooone! Alright! Alright!"

The Bengals can draft a guy on the second day that can come in and contribute as much as Perry has. Look no further than a lot of the other scat backs in the league and the rounds they were drafted in.

[Stripes]

exactly exactly exactly.

only way i see a superbowl in our near future is keeping the players that havent showed deterioration (which simmons has not, but mb james has), and keepign the players that have performed well when healthy (chris perry). all of you that want those 2 cut obviously to me do not want the best 22 on the field at all times and do not want a superbowl in the near future.

I like Simmons. He's a consistent player.

But if you think it's stupid of us to think the Bengals can do better, you're not paying attention. Don't even get me started on Perry. "and keeping the players that have performed well when healthy." Well what good does that do us when said player has spend 2/3 of his career on IR?

Staying blindly faithful to the players that have remained blindly faithful to the Bengals might sound like good policy, but when those players are losing skills every year... No.

[schroomytunes]

I still think that we need to cut our losses on the defensive side of the ball. This whole defense stinks to be honest with you as a whole unit for the last 3 years. Yes we have some good young stars on it, and some solid veterens, but we have no cohesiveness. For example look at the PAts defense, only 1 probowler Seymour, but they are a tough formidable unit. Thats what we need, and the only way to do that is to get younger, and free up some $ to acquire some quality veterens to lead us. Lets look at what we need to keep:

DL-Adams, Peko, Fanene, Smith

DE-Geathers, Rucker, JUSTIN SMITH

LB-Brooks,Miller,Johnson

CB-JJ,Oneal,Ratliff

S-KK,Madieu,Jackson

Release for cap-Robinson,Thornton,Simmons in that order, but if we keep 1 than yes I agree it should be Simmons.

We need to resign Justin Smith, and give him some help at the LB spot, we need to pressure the pocket more and not give the opp offenses so much damn time.

So my offseason goals:

1)Sign London Fletcher to be MLB!

2)Sign NAte Clements or Asante Samuel-we need an upgrade in the secondary.

3)Draft a stud DT and LB in rounds 1-2

--the defense will be greatly improved in 07----

Geathers Adams Peko/Draft Smith-DL

LJ Fletcher Simmons/Draft-LB

JJ ASamuel/Clements-CB

WIlliams Jackson-S

[jditty47]

its not being blindly faithful when you've seen what BOTH can do. you've seen what simmons is worth over the years and what perry was worth 2 seasons ago. lets get rid of the bad talent, bad seeds before we get rid of our cap hits etc.

Id get rid of all of the linebackers on our roster before simmons. every single one of them. only ones that i would think about keeping are landon johnson as a backup, jeanty as a backup, and ahmad brooks as a possible starter, but he only has 1 more year to show he can play at this level so he better show some improvement.

and as far as our RB situation, id go in with a draft pick - 4th or 5th rounder, rudi, perry, and watson....everyone knows wilson wont last through preseason. with that draft pick, if perry or watson arent up to par, they can be replaced, but honestly, my guess is we dont draft a RB or anythign and we are fine with what we have.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Wow, Bengals' fans overrating Brian Simmons, shocker.

What are they gonna finish 31st in defense instead of 30th without him next season?

Just like Justin Smith, these guys have been here for years now sucking up cap space, and the defense has stunk the entire time. They can't get much, if any, worse without them.

Simmons' value is inflated at this point and he's not worth the $ to resign. You can stick Landon in his place and you'll get exactly the same production, if not better, and the same amount of injuries, maybe less.

Just use a day one pick on a LB again, or a competent/top FA LB, they have to.

[Kazkal]

get rid of all of the linebackers on our roster before simmons. every single one of them. only ones that i would think about keeping are landon johnson as a backup, jeanty as a backup, and ahmad brooks as a possible starter, but he only has 1 more year to show he can play at this level so he better show some improvement.

Let's see you'll take 10th year LB over a 2nd year guy who had more upside then bsimmons ever had?

I love Bsimms and I wanna keep him but brooks would be on top of list for LBs to keep simply because of youth odell would be 2nd if his dumb ass could stay out of trouble then Bsimms...but then again you listed landon as 2#.

We don't really need worry about cutting for more capspace till we spend what we have...as is we could probbley reward 1 more contract + extend madieu and have enough to sign backups/cheaper guys.

Only FA's i'm really intrested in are

1.)Danial Graham TE's are cheap and he's just what we need at the postion.

2.)Lance Briggs-Young ...probbley wants to go to a team where he will be the guy ala urlacher...Sure hes going command a huge contract but for a young stud hes probbley worth it.

[jditty47]

shula, you are truly starting to annoy me. all you do, it seems, is try to start arguments/fights. im not overrating simmons, im pointing out our linebacker core sucks pretty much and yes i would keep simmons a vet that has produced since day one that he got here.

and yes kaz i would get rid of brooks before simmons for the simple fact that hes produced. yes ahmad has more upside, so we'll see...he'll be around, which i mentioned i dont mind.

lb is the one position that we need the biggest shakeup. next would be the Dline, especially if smith leaves.

[Kazkal]

and yes kaz i would get rid of brooks before simmons for the simple fact that hes produced. yes ahmad has more upside, so we'll see...he'll be around, which i mentioned i dont mind.

Agreed in that way... perfer just keep em all then draft another one

I just wonder if we do go after LB what spot they'll want him to play...MLB and move brooks to SLB....or WLB let simmons play strong or strong and mybe see if jeanty can learn behind simms and be future wlb.