First thing to do this Offseaon

[Whur CHad At?]

Fire Chuck Breshnahan, get someone who knows how to run a defense in here. And secondly, actually get players who know how to play defense.

[CBin2k7]

This team needs something on the inside. Some kinda heart transplant. They absolutely melt under pressure, time and time again for 4 years under Marvin they have wilted under pressure. It is disgusting.

[Stripes]

I've never been much of a "fire Chuck" enthusiast, but I might have to become one. I think we have plenty of talent on defense, but these gameplans continue to drive me crazy week in and week out.

[WhoDey93285]

Why doesn't Marvin just take over the defense? He is supposed to be the defensive guru, let him call the plays. I'm a 100% supporter of Marvin...without him, we are still the laughing stock of professional sports. So everyone who criticizes him needs to realize that. But, I'm tired of the bozos he brings in here to run the defense. If you want things done right Marvin, do it yourself.

[Whur CHad At?]

Why doesn't Marvin just take over the defense? He is supposed to be the defensive guru, let him call the plays. I'm a 100% supporter of Marvin...without him, we are still the laughing stock of professional sports. So everyone who criticizes him needs to realize that. But, I'm tired of the bozos he brings in here to run the defense. If you want things done right Marvin, do it yourself.

I have been saying that sense last year!

[Spor_tees]

Maybe Marvin isn't the defensive Guru you guys think he is. Maybe without Ray Lewis and the guys he had with the Ravens, he isn't that great of a coach. Can you honestly sit back and think that Marvin hasn't had any input whatsoever on what the defense has done this year? Of coarse he has.

[rwjcgc]

Where exactly does Marvin lend his expertise to this team? I would like for him to

take some responsibility for the performance on the field. This bunch of underachieving,

flawed, and woefully under-powered defensive players were assembled under his guidance.

Notes to Peko: 1. Get a haircut, maybe the wind resistance is slowing your rush.

2. Hit the weight room, most every center treats you like a lap dog nipping at his heels.

Note to Chad: 1. Enough w/ the constant song and dance. Win a playoff game and you can revisit this

part of the game. Till then it's only annoying and makes you look foolish.

Note to Justin: 1. Rushing out of control up field doesn't do much. I think you need a change of scenery.

Note to Kiewan: 1. You think you should be starting. Why?

I was under the impression Marvin was a defensive guru. Does he have any real input in this area?

The fans deserve to hear where he thinks mistakes have been made in personnel and game plan.

Barring some major changes I don't see much chance for improvement any time soon.

The team has been consistently lousy on D for years. Even in the up eras, they couldn't stop

teams when the chips were down. Who exactly is the leader on this side of the ball?

Is Marvin managing the players on and off the field? If so, utter failure in this area.

Marvin's game management is just adequate.

It's not his fault that the kicker is an absolute waste. Shayne's impish grin should be

posted in the locker room for all to view - right after this he should be sent

packing (Brad can take the same cab). Chokers don't change their spots.

[schroomytunes]

Well there are alot of things too do to this team in the offseason. So here are my top priorities to fix this team in 2007.

1) Clean up the bad publicity- we simply cannot afford to be the bad guys in the press, also draft character guys in the draft, no more problems.

2)Cut the dead weight, or dont resign-Tory James, John Thornton, Bryan Robinson

3)Do resign- Kenny Watson, Reggie Kelly, Justin Smith, KK, Landon Johnson, Caleb Miller, Anthony Wright

4)Use the Franchise Tag on Eric Steinbach.

5)Bring in solid role players in FA.

6) Draft defense, defense, defense in 4 of 6 picks.

7)Take BPA in 1st round regardless of position.

just my thoughts

[agreen_112]

This team needs something on the inside. Some kinda heart transplant. They absolutely melt under pressure, time and time again for 4 years under Marvin they have wilted under pressure. It is disgusting.

I agree, for the rest of the year the Bengals will be reffered to as the "Heart Breakers".

[cinci_bengals]

Yes, this game was ups and downs.Then in overtime nobody could stop them.We need good lineman and a fast defense.

[Whur CHad At?]

Enough with over aged lineman who can't rush a sleeping bag. Get D. Freeney in here!

[buck3y3d]

The play that defines Chuck,

3 and 9 on our 20, we go into an all out prevent allowing Ben to scramble for the first.

We saw at Indy and we see at almost every week, he has no schemes and cant make changes. Our zone and prevent defenses(which we all know is worthless) are constantly picked apart. He's lasted to long.

BTW, I'm not a huge fan of Bob either. I think he lacks creativity, but firing Chuck should be the top priority.

[cincy9275]

the whole defensive staff need to be replaced. the defense needs to be striped down and rebuilt from ground up. marvin needs to clean house. the play of all three units was pathetic. defense heart less and week. offense big headed and underachievers. specilteams chokers. there are no excuses for the way this team has played this season. the whole staff failed and failed miserably. they need to be held accountable. because no matter what talent we have here. they will never reach there full potential unless they have good coaches to lead them.

[HoosierCat]

I think we have plenty of talent on defense,

Where?

Fat Sam? Done. B-flop? Done. Simmons? Done. Tory James? Don't make me laugh harder.

Thornton? Never was. Miller and Landon? Ditto. Dexter? Can't stay healthy. Fanene? Why is he still here?

Justin Smith? Yeah, there's one, and he'll be gone in March. Deltha? Apparently Marvin now no likey.

We have three or four promising young guys in Geathers, Joseph, Peko and Williams. Plus a couple average guys like Shaun Smith (who never gets played) and Jeanty.

It ain't Bresh's fault, any more than it was Leslie Frazier's. Not that it matters, Bresh will probably get poop-canned just like him. But until the Bengals get better players, it doesn't matter who they hire. Vince Lombardi could rise from the dead and not get better results with this bunch.

[jjakq27]

Fire Chuck Breshnahan, get someone who knows how to run a defense in here. And secondly, actually get players who know how to play defense.

I will ditto that one. Chucky has built a house of cards on defense. What a shame that he will probably get a free pass because of the injuries this year.

A little bump-and-run would help disrupt these 10 yard gimmes on third down.

The play that defines Chuck,

3 and 9 on our 20, we go into an all out prevent allowing Ben to scramble for the first.

We saw at Indy and we see at almost every week, he has no schemes and cant make changes. Our zone and prevent defenses(which we all know is worthless) are constantly picked apart. He's lasted to long.

BTW, I'm not a huge fan of Bob either. I think he lacks creativity, but firing Chuck should be the top priority.

How many times has Ben run for a first down against us in the last three years? He's no Michael Vick but I believe a spy in certain situations would help contain him especially when he rolls out.

[Spor_tees]

Fire Chuck Breshnahan, get someone who knows how to run a defense in here. And secondly, actually get players who know how to play defense.

I will ditto that one. Chucky has built a house of cards on defense. What a shame that he will probably get a free pass because of the injuries this year.

A little bump-and-run would help disrupt these 10 yard gimmes on third down.

The play that defines Chuck,

3 and 9 on our 20, we go into an all out prevent allowing Ben to scramble for the first.

We saw at Indy and we see at almost every week, he has no schemes and cant make changes. Our zone and prevent defenses(which we all know is worthless) are constantly picked apart. He's lasted to long.

BTW, I'm not a huge fan of Bob either. I think he lacks creativity, but firing Chuck should be the top priority.

How many times has Ben run for a first down against us in the last three years? He's no Michael Vick but I believe a spy in certain situations would help contain him especially when he rolls out.

The problem is the defensive line rushing up the field and not keeping their proper lanes. They allow themselves to get pushed outwards opening the middle like Moses parting the Red Sea, allowing Ben a canyon to run through for the first down.

[Stripes]

Fat Sam? Done. B-flop? Done? Simmons? Done. Tory James? Don't make me laugh harder. Thornton?

Sam Adams had a fine season, though I'm sure it'll go much ignored. The Bengals will finish above the median in run defense, and he was much a part of that improvement. By B-flop I assume you're referring to Robinson. If so, I agree that he is dead weight and will never make a noteable impact here. I obviously wasn't referring to Tory or Simmons when I stated "plenty of talent," so I need not adress them further. The Bengals could stand an upgrade at many positions, but the corps of young talent is in place and it hasn't amounted to much thus far other than takeaways and inconsistency (better than consistently horrible circa 2003 and before).

Miller and Landon? Ditto. Dexter? Can't stay healthy. Fanene? Why is he still here?

Miller and Landon seem to have drawn much undeserved ire from Bengals fans, and I don't get it. They came in as backups, and after some initial struggles they made consistent positve impact. Dexter missed some games, yes, but when he was on the field he might have been our best defensive player. Fanene is such a non-factor, his mention here is pointless.

Justin Smith? Yeah, there's one, and he'll be gone in March. Deltha? Apparently Marvin now no likey.

If/when Smith does depart, I'll acknowledge this. Until then, it's just speculation and therefore carries no value in this discussion. Deltha didn't have his best year by any means, but we saw his talent in '04 and '05, and I see no reason to assume '06 was the rule rather than the exception.

We have tthree or four promising young guys in Geathers, Joseph, Peko and Williams. Plus a couple average guys like Shaun Smith (who never gets played) and Jeanty.

I'll call Joseph and Peko "promising," while I'd say Madieu and Geathers have already solidified themselves as "good." Shaun Smith doesn't play much, but he has played well when given the opportunity. There isn't much room for judgement for him given his playtime. I'll agree with calling Jeanty average.

It ain't Bresh's fault, any more than it was Leslie Frazier's. Not that it matters, Bresh will probably get poop-canned just like him. But until the Bengals get better players, it doesn't matter who they hire. Vince Lombardi could rise from the dead and not get better results with this bunch.

It certainly isn't all Bresnehan's fault, the players have to play with consistency and with energy. They seem to lack those qualities often times, and I'll blame them as much as the coaches. Chuck hasn't done a very good job, though, IMO. Frazier's gameplans seemed logical, but he didn't have the players to execute. Bresnehan has a better corps of talent, and often times that has shown in their performance. He has done some things right, but it's hard to ignore his failures against good offensive teams.

[rwjcgc]

I know it will never happen, but I would like an answer from Marvin on the defense. Is it the scheme or the players?

In the past, we had Bresnahan break down some plays and show where the players failed to properly implement the defense that was called on some crucial plays. We've had players complain behind the scenes about the defensive playcalling.

As a fan, it's hard to know the truth. Marvin could shed some light. I'm willing to accept his verdict that he determines either way.

I do know that the D players look kind of relaxed compared to some of the other teams. Why? You would think they would be very fired up to play.

Outside of Chad's, unwarranted at this point in my opinion, weekly sideshow there isn't much emotion shown on this team (with the exception of the unshakeable happiness of Graham). Do they really care if they win or don't (outside of the effect on their wallets)?

[Spor_tees]

I know it will never happen, but I would like an answer from Marvin on the defense. Is it the scheme or the players?

In the past, we had Bresnahan break down some plays and show where the players failed to properly implement the defense that was called on some crucial plays. We've had players complain behind the scenes about the defensive playcalling.

As a fan, it's hard to know the truth. Marvin could shed some light. I'm willing to accept his verdict that he determines either way.

I do know that the D players look kind of relaxed compared to some of the other teams. Why? You would think they would be very fired up to play.

Outside of Chad's, unwarranted at this point in my opinion, weekly sideshow there isn't much emotion shown on this team (with the exception of the unshakeable happiness of Graham). Do they really care if they win or don't (outside of the effect on their wallets)?

Marvin would never do that. The only thing Marvin likes to do when addressing the public is belittle them and act snobbish. Marvin's act with the media is far less than old and ridiculous. I love the charity events he does, but when addressing the public about the product he puts on the field and is responsible for, he needs to get his act together. That attitude gets stale fast.

[Stripes]

Marvin would never do that. The only thing Marvin likes to do when addressing the public is belittle them and act snobbish. Marvin's act with the media is far less than old and ridiculous. I love the charity events he does, but when addressing the public about the product he puts on the field and is responsible for, he needs to get his act together. That attitude gets stale fast.

He does often come off as a pompous ass who doesn't think the media or any fans are capable of understanding what he has to say. I don't really think that's his attitude, though... He's just paranoid about sharing team information with the media. He doesn't want anything to get into the wrong hands, even if just minor details.

[HoosierCat]

Sam Adams had a fine season, though I'm sure it'll go much ignored. The Bengals will finish above the median in run defense, and he was much a part of that improvement.

The Bengals run D ranked average not because of Sam, but because no one had to bother running the ball because of our crappy pass D. We were 31st overall vs. the pass going into this game. Sam made no difference. Shaun Smith would have served just as well.

By B-flop I assume you're referring to Robinson. If so, I agree that he is dead weight and will never make a noteable impact here. I obviously wasn't referring to Tory or Simmons when I stated "plenty of talent," so I need not adress them further.

Well, the what do you mean by plenty of talent? K2? Ethan Kilmer? I'm talking about our starters, and by and large they suck.

Miller and Landon seem to have drawn much undeserved ire from Bengals fans, and I don't get it.

Miller and Landon are career backups. Nothing wrong with them but they are never going to be impact defenders. Every team needs guy like these, they're valuable backup and special teamers but they are not starter-caliber players.

It certainly isn't all Bresnehan's fault, the players have to play with consistency and with energy.

I'm sorry, but it's not about consistency and energy, it's about talent.

[Stripes]

I'm sorry, but it's not about consistency and energy, it's about talent.

It's not about any one of those factors alone, it is a combination of them. I'll grant talent is the most important factor, but the question is which factor the Bengals lack most. If you think it's talent, you've certainly ample support for that statement. I don't agree with it, but there isn't much I can say to change your mind until the Bengals prove it themselves.

[rwjcgc]

I didn't see much consistency, energy, or talent on the D this year.

I did see an over-dependence on turnovers and a lack of physical power on the D-Line and LB's. We were man-handled most games by the various offenses.

[HoosierCat]

I'm sorry, but it's not about consistency and energy, it's about talent.

It's not about any one of those factors alone, it is a combination of them. I'll grant talent is the most important factor, but the question is which factor the Bengals lack most. If you think it's talent, you've certainly ample support for that statement. I don't agree with it, but there isn't much I can say to change your mind until the Bengals prove it themselves.

That's about it. We just aren't going to be able to agree on this one. I hope you're right, because it would be much easier to fix, but I'm not holding out much hope. The big question marks, of course, are Thurman and Pollack. If either of them can get back, we could hope for an injection of talent and everything else. But they both remain big "ifs".

[WhoDey93285]

Miller and Landon are career backups. Nothing wrong with them but they are never going to be impact defenders. Every team needs guy like these, they're valuable backup and special teamers but they are not starter-caliber players.

I thought Landon had an excellent season. Didn't he have 120+ tackles? I mean, yeah he's no Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, but I don't understand why he has to be a career special teamer?