I've never seen a team more consistently outcoached

[cincyhokie]

Time after time the Bengals fail to adjust in the 2nd half.

Add comments here. I'm going to vomit now.

[rwjcgc]

Good plays were called, just not executed in all phases of the game.

They did manage to make Cutler look like a world beater.

[B24]

Good plays were called, just not executed in all phases of the game.

Agree totally.

[Spor_tees]

Good plays were called, just not executed in all phases of the game.

Agree totally.

No, EVERY game the Bengals opponent comes out in the second half and outplays the Bengals. EVERY game. The Bengals are never able to adjust their gameplan mid game, and that is totally the coaches faults. Until this gets taken care of, the Bengals will not be able to beat good teams in close games.

[rwjcgc]

Surely the defensive coaches aren't training the players to consistently hold the opponents receivers and to get blocked like ragdolls on running plays.

Are the coaches showing Palmer the finer nuances of throwing into coverage and getting picked off?

Lastly I know they aren't teaching them to completely choke and make it go wide when snapping the ball for a PAT.

[wolfitup]

Like it or not you don't "outscheme" people over 16 games. You have to execute. Your Pro-Bowl QB has to hit wide open receivers. Your Pro-bowl Wr has to catch balls that hit him in the freakin chest. Get off the coaches backs.

[Spor_tees]

Like it or not you don't "outscheme" people over 16 games. You have to execute. Your Pro-Bowl QB has to hit wide open receivers. Your Pro-bowl Wr has to catch balls that hit him in the freakin chest. Get off the coaches backs.

How can you sit and say it isn't the coaches faults when they constantly go into half time tied or with the lead and get smacked down in the second half.

[Diesel]

You have a legitimate complaint for some other games, but in this one it was poor execution. That and the fact that we are incapable of winning with the national spotlight on us.

[rwjcgc]

You have a legitimate complaint for some other games, but in this one it was poor execution. That and the fact that we are incapable of winning with the national spotlight on us.

Good point, the choke factor also probably plays a role. It's harder for some to perform when the world is watching.

[Spor_tees]

You have a legitimate complaint for some other games, but in this one it was poor execution. That and the fact that we are incapable of winning with the national spotlight on us.

If Phil Simms can notice the day and night difference of play in the Bengals, then anyone that isn't deaf and blind should be able to. He even thought that part of the problem might be that the Bengals are simply out of shape. That would definitely be a fault of the coaches for not keeping proper discipline with the players and keeping them properly in game playing condition. It's the end of the season for all the teams and there is no longer any excuse for saying a team is coming off a bye week. Being out of shape in the second half and getting pushed around isn't an excuse.

[wolfitup]

Like it or not you don't "outscheme" people over 16 games. You have to execute. Your Pro-Bowl QB has to hit wide open receivers. Your Pro-bowl Wr has to catch balls that hit him in the freakin chest. Get off the coaches backs.

How can you sit and say it isn't the coaches faults when they constantly go into half time tied or with the lead and get smacked down in the second half.

Houshmanzadeh 1st drive TD overthrow Int (7pts), Houshmanzadeh beats Lynch on Route in endzone (7pts), Chad Johnson double move on Bailey and Lynch overthrow (7 pts). 41-24 Bengals. All of a sudden the coaches look really good. Look, I love Carson to death and wouldn't trade him for anyone, but if you can't see he missed some big plays today then I don't know what to tell ya.

Like it or not you don't "outscheme" people over 16 games. You have to execute. Your Pro-Bowl QB has to hit wide open receivers. Your Pro-bowl Wr has to catch balls that hit him in the freakin chest. Get off the coaches backs.

How can you sit and say it isn't the coaches faults when they constantly go into half time tied or with the lead and get smacked down in the second half.

Houshmanzadeh 1st drive TD overthrow Int (7pts), Houshmanzadeh beats Lynch on Route in endzone (7pts), Chad Johnson double move on Bailey and Lynch overthrow (7 pts). 41-24 Bengals. All of a sudden the coaches look really good. Look, I love Carson to death and wouldn't trade him for anyone, but if you can't see he missed some big plays today then I don't know what to tell ya.

I almost forgot Chad Johnson doesn't move before the snap 74 yard TD to Henry 48-24 Bengals, but the coaches need to "scheme" better.

[kentjett]

We outplayed them the entire game but we turned the ball over way too many times. Turnovers beat us not coaching. Coaching killed us last game but not this one.

[cincyhokie]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

[Stripes]

I wasn't satisfied with the adjustments either. The Broncos took advantage of our agression on defense all through the third quarter with one misdirection play after another. We never seemed in position to make those plays, and the adjustments didn't come until late in the 4th quarter. Considering the way the game ended, we lost for many reasons.

[Spor_tees]

The Bengals have been outscored 85-58 in the third quarter this year. But that is with the Bengals scoring 13 points against the Browns and 7 against the Raiders in the Third quarter. Take those away and they would have only scored 38 Third quarter points.

Sounds like outcoaching to me.

[cincyhokie]

The Bengals have been outscored 85-58 in the third quarter this year. But that is with the Bengals scoring 13 points against the Browns and 7 against the Raiders in the Third quarter. Take those away and they would have only scored 38 Third quarter points.

Sounds like outcoaching to me.

Exactly.

Why is the 8th ranked scoring offense in the NFL being outscored by 30 points in the 3rd quarter????

Makes no sense.

[Kazkal]

Marvin wasen't throwing the ball or snapping it IMO coaching was fine...Most of the game I was happy with our defense besides the 99yard drive we gave up....but it hardly got any help from the offense today.

[cincyhokie]

Marvin wasen't throwing the ball or snapping it IMO coaching was fine...Most of the game I was happy with our defense besides the 99yard drive we gave up....but it hardly got any help from the offense today.

My point is that with the pace of the game and the momentum we had going into the 2nd half, we should have won that game by at least 10 points.

It's been that way all year. e.g. Falcons, Bucs, Chargers....

The Broncos came out, ran the ball better, and executed. Yes, we got outcoached again.

When a team consistenly drops passes and players make mistakes....YES, it does come down to coaching.

[wolfitup]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

[cincyhokie]

Good plays were called, just not executed in all phases of the game.

They did manage to make Cutler look like a world beater.

Yeah, letting a rookie beat you in his 4th NFL start with the playoffs on the line says it all. Answer me this....how do we sack his a** 4 times with an INT in the first half, dominate on both sides of the ball.....and then come out in the 2nd half with ZERO momentum????? How????

[Spor_tees]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

[PalmerforPresident]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

agree to disagree... the coaches can only do so much. when the clock is running the players have to execute and make plays... unfortunately palmer had another sub-par game, #85 had his worst game i've ever seen him play, and rudi did what he never does, fumble. i won't even speak of brad st. louis... the players most certainly deserved to lose this game!

[Storm]

How does this day start without Darren Simmons being fired? I know its Christmas but what the hey?

in a span of about 10 seconds the Bengals botched a snap to tie the game, was called for offsides on a kickoff (in which we recovered) then was confused on a kickoff so they called a timeout and after the timeout they thought it would be a good idea to try and get cute and kick the ball high and deep to end the game.

Up until this year I've never seen a team call a timeout on a kickoff but the Bengals have done it multiple times.

[wolfitup]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

Your right. I get it now. Lets see if we can go hire a coach that can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro receiver not to drop passes that him in the chest. While we are at it lets see if he can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro QB to throw the ball accurately to wide open receivers.

When I screw up at work its because by supervisor didn't properly motivate me that morning. Even though I have been working there for many years and have received multiple efficiency awards. The next time I screw up at work I will ask to have my supervisor replaced. Obviously, if he could have kept me focused I would have continued to do the same superior work that I have done in the past.

I like your take on "things" better. What personal professional responsibility? Its my supervisor and or managers fault I screwed up.

[Storm]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

Your right. I get it now. Lets see if we can go hire a coach that can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro receiver not to drop passes that him in the chest. While we are at it lets see if he can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro QB to throw the ball accurately to wide open receivers.

When I screw up at work its because by supervisor didn't properly motivate me that morning. Even though I have been working there for many years and have received multiple efficiency awards. The next time I screw up at work I will ask to have my supervisor replaced. Obviously, if he could have kept me focused I would have continued to do the same superior work that I have done in the past.

I like your take on "things" better. What personal professional responsibility? Its my supervisor and or managers fault I screwed up.

If you continue to screw up then its your supervisors fault