Kazkal Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Think he showed enough that he may have chance being our future center? or do you think he played like crap all 4 qrts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I thought he played well. Even in the first quarter when the line was struggling, most of the pressure looked to be coming from the outside.I need more consistency to dub him "the center of the future," but he certainly justified his start against Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Agreed ...More of he still deserves a shot because center is not easist potion to learn on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 It still remains to be seen whether he's good enough to handle teams with elaborate blitzes. He played terribly against Pitt and NE, but played fairly well against the Panthers who rarely blitz... but play pretty straight up.It's really not a question for me if he has the physical ability... because I think he is more than adequate physically. I want to see him read and assign a good game against a trickier defense.He's still got time to develop before we have to decide if he's our future center... but not all the time in the world. We probably need to know this year. If he's still playing at the end of the year, I'm betting he plays much better against Pit next time, but that is just a guess at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 coachs can't be thinking that bad of him if wilkerson still on PS that or hes even worse heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I would say how Bluto is viewed in the Bengals future plans will be shown when Levi comes back at LT. If they kick Steiny back down to C and keep him there the rest of the way w/ Whitworth at LG, I'd say they're probably looking to franchise Steiny and keep Bluto as a backup who can step in and start serviceably when needed. He got overpowered by Kris Jenkins a couple times but that's bound to happen to any C facing Jenkins. Blitzes and scheme reading may surface as a problem again in 2 weeks vs. Ratbirds so we'll see where he's at then. Regardless, the Bengals are getting their money's worth for a 4th rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinneymulleT Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Is this just homer optimism? On running plays he was like a turnstyle on some plays. Did anyone notice that we normally run alot of A gap with rudy but most runninng was outside or off tackle, even some hand sweeps(very poor calls there on 2 short, 3rd short)? and some of the pass plays, like the sack near our goaline, guycheck opened up and if it was not for the blown pickup outside carson would have been sacked up the middle. He may get better in time but he still is not a nfl caliber center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Is this just homer optimism? On running plays he was like a turnstyle on some plays. Did anyone notice that we normally run alot of A gap with rudy but most runninng was outside or off tackle, even some hand sweeps(very poor calls there on 2 short, 3rd short)? and some of the pass plays, like the sack near our goaline, guycheck opened up and if it was not for the blown pickup outside carson would have been sacked up the middle. He may get better in time but he still is not a nfl caliber center.Yeah, but the same could be said of most centers the first year they get real PT. A lot of people say Braham wasn't that great at first. Playing C is nearly as cerebral as QB. There's a lot to learn. And like a QB, it's not fair to expect greatness out of a rookie C.The problem is, if they dump Guichsjdfksdfj and draft a new one next year, it basically just restarts the clock on the learning curve, and Braham isn't getting any younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Guy-chick's problem is physical not mental - why he's kept his spot.I'm not ready to say this 0-line is cured after 3 quarters against what is otherwise a pretty average-to-good team, after two disastorous weeks.But I will give them credit for stepping up, and to Whitworth for handling a very tough assignment quite well. Steinbach did a great job yesterday also, along with Bobbie and Willie in pass protection. Jeremi Johnson also stepped up and played like he is capable of. Glad they started using him again.I hope they can keep the momentum going next week and continue to hit the TE's when the WR's are taken away, and force defenses to be more honest when you can get Rudi rambling.Getting 100+ rushing yards on that defense is impressive.Just give Palmer enough time to set up and work, and Rudi a little light to get a push past the LOS - that is all this offense needs from the 0-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JaxonFord87 Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I guess i would say that i am pretty happy with how he played. I would like to seem him keep it up for the rest of the year though, to prove he is ready to take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I'm not ready to say one way or the other, but I think the coaching staff has faith in his future with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I'm not ready to say one way or the other, but I think the coaching staff has faith in his future with the team. I'm not ready to cast judgement either. Frankly, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Ghiacuic would look like the weakest link in an offensive line that wasn't doing anything right for several weeks in a row, nor should it surprise anyone that he would look much better the exact same moment that the rest of the unit began to perform competently. The idea that the Bengals would struggle for several weeks after Braham's injury isn't shocking. In fact, it's freaking predictable. However, they've now had a month to correct communication problems and develope some much needed basic timing....so let's put away our knives for the time being and see if the entire O-Line can build on the 2nd half performance against the Panthers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 He still had some very bad run blocking plays IMO. I remember on one play he simply let his guy by to stuff Rudi in the back for a 2 yard loss. The line looked better as a whole, but I dont know if the run blocking monster of Ghiacuic and Bobby was any better than normal. (Id have to watch the game again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinneymulleT Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Watching the replay 1st half- 6 plays where guycheck failed to block/allowed deep penatration/got bull rushed straight back into carson(one may have been whit fault and another i didnt count guycheck fell over boobie). 2nd half he had 7-8 plays where he did the same, and 4 where he completely missed everyone. We ran only 3 inside running plays in 1st half for 3 yards, and had more success in the 2nd on A gap cutback plays where all he had to do was wall off. Almost all of the running was outside the gaurd. When not left to a one on one, he does fine and is better at releasing and blocking down field but he is weak and appears undersized, and his turnstyle technique stinks. Carson would have been sacked about 6 more times if had not gotten the ball out in 2 seconds or less, including the game winning play. Most of these were attributed to guycheck. He is especially bad against interior line stunts and blitzes. This was only 1 game but it is on film, and for all those who say he played well, you either didnt watch the game or know little about football, or your just a HOMER(Marvin is great if he thinks guycheck is good he is blahblahblah). Not to say that he wont improve, but i guarantee that he graded out no better than an D. His performance was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Still looking for him to play a good game.Whitworth has looked solid so far at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I think Ghiaciuc just needs snaps. Braham used to suck at center, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 BlainWhat is that picture? In my mind that is the typical Browns fan every Sunday, watching the game with his daughters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 BlainWhat is that picture? In my mind that is the typical Browns fan every Sunday, watching the game with his daughters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 BlainWhat is that picture? In my mind that is the typical Browns fan every Sunday, watching the game with his daughters.It's just something I found while doing an image search on yahoo. I thought it would be great for the forum so I made it my sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwalling Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I really liked the discussion on Bengals.com about the center position before the Carolina game. The gist of the discussion was that you can't just draft a ready made center, they have to grow and learn the position. The comparison they made was to none other than Richie Braham who despite being an established guard in the league took a while to get used to the responsibilities of center.Guy Check will be fine. He's smart, strong, and mean. He'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 He is learing, as long as we eak out wins ,we are better off getting him the experince! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 He is learing, as long as we eak out wins ,we are better off getting him the experince!Yep. As long as he doesn't keep us from winning, it's good to get him in there to see what we have in him.I don't think anyone is arguing that he alone is the reason we lost to NE, and we should have won the game against Tampa... so assuming he keeps playing well enough to keep us out of the loss column, it's good for the future of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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