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[SkinneymulleT]

Who called anyone a name? I think called me a "rook" and tried to be a censorship bully with your arguement "I was here first so this is mine yard if I dont like what you say you cannot play here". You sound like your 12. Trying to define a discussion by making things up and any critism becomes an attack on america. Is this Dick Cheney? Clearly, the easiest way to show superficiality of an argument is to refuse to discuss it and to try make it ad hominem. Grow up little man. This is public board where anyone who follows the rules can post thier opinion. No where did i see the caveat "except when you say so". BTW VETERAN EMERITUS, the officiating was changed after last years playoff, in atleast by carson's rule, and the decision to allow play to continue after the whistle so that it may be reviewed and repeating what you heard other people say is not "analysis". And why do you think you are annoited to speak for everyone? I must have missed that box during registration. So please, I beg of you, dont do so for me. My only mistake was to assume that the subtle outlandish of my statement would be taken largely its sarcastic flavor. I was wrong and next time i will try to be more direct so as to not offend one like yourself who may be unwilling, yet unable to detect such. And as for the conspiracy theory, I stand by that! (sarcasim intended) and the bengals deserved to win the game(no sarcasm intended but may be found) . Sorry to offend , but If you dont like what i say dont read it.

Is this english?

Obviously some of it is not, but i will allow your comment speak for itself.

[Tasher]

This you might be here very good point you make if only English in which is written. Maybe quantum physics I need to learn more.

[Kazkal]

Quoting big posts makes baby jesus cry.

[SkinneymulleT]

This you might be here very good point you make if only English in which is written. Maybe quantum physics I need to learn more.

Ouch, you cut so deep. I will sure to make corect my gramer and speling the future in.

[Tasher]

Ouch, you cut so deep. I will sure to make corect my gramer and speling the future in.

1. You are a "Rookie" look under your avatar. (Not name calling)

2. I simply asked what does STFU stand for.

3. You still did not answer my questions about poor officiating in other instances.

4. ... oh nevermind.

BTW, it is all in good fun. You have to remember that everyone on here right no has raw, frayed nerves and is very sensitive.

[B24]

The roughing call wont be on because it was an "unnecessary roughness" and those calls are judgement. Peira has said on numerous occassions that those calls are a when in doubt, throw the flag. so (and especially if the flag was wrong) it won't get discussed.

I'm guessing it will get discussed. They just talked about it on NFL Total Access and said they can't wait to talk to him about that call this Wednesday. We'll probably just hear what you just said though.

[jditty47]

stfu = shut the uck up

[Kazkal]

Head Zebra never says his guys do no wrong,

Refs are always right they are the law.

[Bungle in the Jungle]

STFU! You and those who choose this perspective sound like a bunch of naive highschool coaches. This isnt anyones fault but ours because we should be better and we didnt give it our all blah blah blah blah. Thats great if it motivates players but that is not reality. This is high stakes game with minimal margin for error. Much like in quantum physics, a small mistakes ripples throughout the universe. The bengals played hard, deserved to win even from an outsider perspective and got jobed by the refs which is likely La Cosa Nostra (NFL) hit job for the green hit and the bad pub by our players, and this was only a warning(losing game but only 1/2 game out 1st early season = kneecapped with a bat). Even if we only deserve to win by a little, it would still have been a w and to allow the refs to tip the balance repeatedly is unjust. They will review the play but will dismiss it as you say a"unecessary" judgment call and they were just trying protect the "China Dolls" and would someone please think of the children! and basically ignore it like the nfl does with everything negative, like throwing the superbowl to get higher ratings because most superbowls suck(and who are the seahawks?), HGH use, NFL color commentators and TO! I bet the Mother-F Gm from kc has laid into the commish so he gave orders to not allow the bengals to injure another quaterback. Word goes to the refs and they take it as word from above to flag the bengals heavy, thus the bucs get flagged light, and we get what we have here, which is a failure to communicate, some refs you just cant reach so you get what we have here today. I dont like it any better than you!

Dude, what is STFU? Lighten up a little ROOK! Sorry if you don't like the analysis, that is just they way I see it and just about exactly what the NFL would say, ya da ya da ya da.

Did anything change about the officiating in the playoffs last year? Has the NFL EVER reverse course and compensated or corrected a call? Officiating is PART OF THE GAME, and is done by HUMAN BEINGS that make MISTAKES just like everyone else. If you can't stomach it, don't watch, and don't come around here with name calling and other attacks on the fans on this board. We are all in a bad enough mood to begin with.

Thanks for playing, no go away.

That is all.

Who called anyone a name? I think called me a "rook" and tried to be a censorship bully with your arguement "I was here first so this is mine yard if I dont like what you say you cannot play here". You sound like your 12. Trying to define a discussion by making things up and any critism becomes an attack on america. Is this Dick Cheney? Clearly, the easiest way to show superficiality of an argument is to refuse to discuss it and to try make it ad hominem. Grow up little man. This is public board where anyone who follows the rules can post thier opinion. No where did i see the caveat "except when you say so". BTW VETERAN EMERITUS, the officiating was changed after last years playoff, in atleast by carson's rule, and the decision to allow play to continue after the whistle so that it may be reviewed and repeating what you heard other people say is not "analysis". And why do you think you are annoited to speak for everyone? I must have missed that box during registration. So please, I beg of you, dont do so for me. My only mistake was to assume that the subtle outlandish of my statement would be taken largely its sarcastic flavor. I was wrong and next time i will try to be more direct so as to not offend one like yourself who may be unwilling, yet unable to detect such. And as for the conspiracy theory, I stand by that! (sarcasim intended) and the bengals deserved to win the game(no sarcasm intended but may be found) . Sorry to offend , but If you dont like what i say dont read it.

OK All,

I took the liberty of translating this via an online translation tool (Babelfish). As you can see from the result it now makes MUCH more sense.

Babelfish translation:

Who spoke ill of somebody? Is "the rook" that I am called me, and think about and a censorship bully having your arguement; if "did dont like my saying unless you could do you here, I was here first so that this was a mine yard". You are known like your 12. Being going to establish argument by making a thing and any kind of critism to america is attacked. Is this da Cheney? As for the simplest method to a show froth of an argument, I argue in it and am it accuses it at feelings to refuse that I test it, and to arrive obviously. Please hardly grow up on a man. This is the public committee where anyone according to a rule can post a thier opinion on. No, where, as for me, did "you read warning other than such a time?" By the way, I changed it after having played atleast by a rule of carson it might be checked for ‖ later years to act as VETERAN EMERITUS, duties, and to have possibilities to repeat that you heard that other people said unless "analysis" appeared so that a playoff and the decision that I permitted it continued it after a whistle. And why do you think that it is done annoited so that you speak for anyone? I was not different if I missed the box during registration. Thus - I do so - dont which you rely on for me. My only mistake needs the strange taste that is the irony mainly of my statement that was to consider it to be delicate. Can anger 1 that seems to be yourself whom is bad, and was in the next time, and may not feel like that direct, i is going to do me; but find it; it is not possible; it looks like it. And, about a plot theory, I stand near it! (sarcasim which is meant)And bengals deserved it if I won a game (I do not aim at irony, and I may not be discovered). I was sorry to give unpleasantness, but If which did dont like your saying that I did dont read it.

[B24]

OK All,

I took the liberty of translating this via an online translation tool (Babelfish). As you can see from the result it now makes MUCH more sense.

Babelfish translation:

Who spoke ill of somebody? Is "the rook" that I am called me, and think about and a censorship bully having your arguement; if "did dont like my saying unless you could do you here, I was here first so that this was a mine yard". You are known like your 12. Being going to establish argument by making a thing and any kind of critism to america is attacked. Is this da Cheney? As for the simplest method to a show froth of an argument, I argue in it and am it accuses it at feelings to refuse that I test it, and to arrive obviously. Please hardly grow up on a man. This is the public committee where anyone according to a rule can post a thier opinion on. No, where, as for me, did "you read warning other than such a time?" By the way, I changed it after having played atleast by a rule of carson it might be checked for ‖ later years to act as VETERAN EMERITUS, duties, and to have possibilities to repeat that you heard that other people said unless "analysis" appeared so that a playoff and the decision that I permitted it continued it after a whistle. And why do you think that it is done annoited so that you speak for anyone? I was not different if I missed the box during registration. Thus - I do so - dont which you rely on for me. My only mistake needs the strange taste that is the irony mainly of my statement that was to consider it to be delicate. Can anger 1 that seems to be yourself whom is bad, and was in the next time, and may not feel like that direct, i is going to do me; but find it; it is not possible; it looks like it. And, about a plot theory, I stand near it! (sarcasim which is meant)And bengals deserved it if I won a game (I do not aim at irony, and I may not be discovered). I was sorry to give unpleasantness, but If which did dont like your saying that I did dont read it.

[aaronburr]

STFU!

Dude, what is STFU? Lighten up a little ROOK!

...My only mistake was to assume that the subtle outlandish of my statement would be taken largely its sarcastic flavor. I was wrong and next time i will try to be more direct so as to not offend one like yourself who may be unwilling, yet unable to detect such.

Your mistake was starting with "shut the f*** up" and then expecting anybody to care about anything you have to say. You may have intended it to be sarcastic, but you didn't succeed.

In my opinion, "Lighten up a little ROOK!" may be the most spot-on comment ever posted on this board. And just because people want the tone of the board to be a little more civil (and on topic) doesn't mean anybody is trying to censure you.

Chill.

[ttilt]

people seem to forget that the Bucs had the best defense in football last year and has pretty much the same players this year the first 4 games were very different than what this team actually is. They are a good team and we will see that the rest of this season when they make a run for the play offs...people say that we have the toughest conference which i agree but the NFC south should be right behind us instead of the nfc north

[SkinneymulleT]

[skyline]

Alright guys, this is beyond old. Can we get back on topic, please?

[SkinneymulleT]

Babelfish translation:

Who spoke ill of somebody? Is "the rook" that I am called me, and think about and a censorship bully having your arguement; if "did dont like my saying unless you could do you here, I was here first so that this was a mine yard". You are known like your 12. Being going to establish argument by making a thing and any kind of critism to america is attacked. Is this da Cheney? As for the simplest method to a show froth of an argument, I argue in it and am it accuses it at feelings to refuse that I test it, and to arrive obviously. Please hardly grow up on a man. This is the public committee where anyone according to a rule can post a thier opinion on. No, where, as for me, did "you read warning other than such a time?" By the way, I changed it after having played atleast by a rule of carson it might be checked for ‖ later years to act as VETERAN EMERITUS, duties, and to have possibilities to repeat that you heard that other people said unless "analysis" appeared so that a playoff and the decision that I permitted it continued it after a whistle. And why do you think that it is done annoited so that you speak for anyone? I was not different if I missed the box during registration. Thus - I do so - dont which you rely on for me. My only mistake needs the strange taste that is the irony mainly of my statement that was to consider it to be delicate. Can anger 1 that seems to be yourself whom is bad, and was in the next time, and may not feel like that direct, i is going to do me; but find it; it is not possible; it looks like it. And, about a plot theory, I stand near it! (sarcasim which is meant)And bengals deserved it if I won a game (I do not aim at irony, and I may not be discovered). I was sorry to give unpleasantness, but If which did dont like your saying that I did dont read it.

[Jonboat]

Why didn't they deserve to win ? They had to overcome alot of adversity during the game & still would've won if it wasn't for the refs. Once again the injury bug rears it's ugly head ( when will it ever stop?) they came in with a reshuffled Oline then had to reshuffle it again when we lost Levi. The D I thought played pretty well considering we had injuries going in then finding out that Simmons wouldn't play either. They made the play to win only to have it taken away by a BS call.

I'm sure someone will say that injuries are part of the game ( i'd agree) & that 's just making excuses but @ some point it will/ is starting to effect the play on the field. Carolina is looking really scary right now ...these guy's seem to be dropping like flies.

[derekshank]

Why didn't they deserve to win ? They had to overcome alot of adversity during the game & still would've won if it wasn't for the refs. Once again the injury bug rears it's ugly head ( when will it ever stop?) they came in with a reshuffled Oline then had to reshuffle it again when we lost Levi. The D I thought played pretty well considering we had injuries going in then finding out that Simmons wouldn't play either. They made the play to win only to have it taken away by a BS call.

I'm sure someone will say that injuries are part of the game ( i'd agree) & that 's just making excuses but @ some point it will/ is starting to effect the play on the field. Carolina is looking really scary right now ...these guy's seem to be dropping like flies.

Yep... despite an absolute ton on injuries... we held Tampa to 7 points. Not 14... we stopped them. There isn't much value in bitching about it all season... but we should have won this game. Our offense played poorly, but our defense with all it's injuries stepped up with big plays when we needed them, but the refs took it away. The league should be ashamed of itself.

We certainly didn't play out best... but we played well enough to beat Tampa Bay... and that's really all we ask for each week, isn't it? To play well enough to win?

[Tasher]

The roughing call wont be on because it was an "unnecessary roughness" and those calls are judgement. Peira has said on numerous occassions that those calls are a when in doubt, throw the flag. so (and especially if the flag was wrong) it won't get discussed.

I'm guessing it will get discussed. They just talked about it on NFL Total Access and said they can't wait to talk to him about that call this Wednesday. We'll probably just hear what you just said though.

I agree that it will be discussed... here's what changed my thinking on this...

1. I had not seen the actual replay until last night, based on written accounts and discussion, it seemed that the Ref had called it "unnecessary roughness," changing the original call of roughing. In the replay he clearly signals roughing...

2. Since no pass was thrown you cannot have a roughing the passer since there is no passer.

3. After watching the replays, it is clear that Justin hit the ground first, and Grad tucked and balled up to try to protect the football. Even at live speed, this was clear to everybody.

So in answer to another question: Mike is on on Wednesday in the 7-8pm segment and is replayed again at 9:30-10:30 and again throughout the night and next morning.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/total_access

Here is a link to the NFL Access schedule for Wednesday and Thursday:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/schedule/1018

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/schedule/1019

[SkinneymulleT]

I agree with Tasher! HOOORRRAAYYYY!!!!!!

[Tasher]

The roughing call wont be on because it was an "unnecessary roughness" and those calls are judgement. Peira has said on numerous occassions that those calls are a when in doubt, throw the flag. so (and especially if the flag was wrong) it won't get discussed.

Besides, the Bengals should not put the game in the hands of the refs. We should have scored TDs on both our scoring opportunities and it would not have been an issue.

One thing is for sure, now the Bengals are REALLY MAD, so maybe they will come out and PLAY some football, instead of pansy-assing around.

Well, it WAS on and Mike said just about word for word what I said he would: It really was UNR, that it was Carey's judgement and it would continue to get called like this, blah blah blah.

It was about the MOST BLAND explanation and worthless use of 2 minutes of Mike's time that I have seen. Did anyone really expect anything else?

Rich: "Mike that was about the worst call ever! It cost the Bengals the win and was an afront from Carey to the Bengals and all NFL fans! He should be fined about $10000 and reprimanded publicly!"

Mike: "Well Rich, I have Carey right here (Carey joins Mike in the NFL Offices, on screen, Carey hands Mike a wad of cash, presumably $10 Grand), Carey, you altered the outcome of a game in the NFL, you are suspended 2 weeks without pay. Clearly Justin Smith cushioned the blow, landed first and ensured that the quarterback, WHO is a ROOKIE, not CARSON PALMER or PEYTON MANNING, or TOM BRADY, did not get injured. You should be ashamed of yourself, with your experience. You are also banned from any post-season games, as well."

Carey: "Mike, I'm really, really sorry. Cincinnati, I am really really really sorry. It won't happen again once I return from my suspension, which I accept and I accept full responsibility for."

(Marshall Faulk running from another part of the NFL Total Access Stage, clearly winded...)

Faulk: "Rich, Rich, are you okay? (We now see Rich Eisen being fanned by Faulk, clearly haven fallen over fainted from the shock of the revelation) Rich, come on buddy, breathe!"

Rich: "I, I, I'm okay. I'm okay. (Taking deep breath) Mike for the first time, publicly, did you just say what I think you said? Do what I think you did? (To producer off scene) Can we get an instant replay of that?"

(Instant replay runs...)

[Kazkal]

wow suprise the head zebra sided with his ref go figure.

[schweinhart]

wow suprise the head zebra sided with his ref go figure.

No surprise there The call blew chunks and they all knew it. Best thing to avoid future game-blown calls for the Bengals is to take care of biz better on the field during the course of an entire game.

[BengalByTheBay]

Yup -- I saw it too. The thought that the head of NFL officiating on an NFL network would ever admit that they blew a call (or even really be asked it directly) is probably ridiculous. I guess I should be happy that Eisen at least posed it in a somewhat confrontational manner. They had from Sunday to Wednesday to get their story straight and, if I heard it rights, it goes something like -- sorry it looked bad, but it's a judgment call and we never admit a judgment call was wrong. The little lame attempt to make some claim that it might have looked like he was driving his head into the ground was just laughable -- smirk on Pereira.

wow suprise the head zebra sided with his ref go figure.

No surprise there The call blew chunks and they all knew it. Best thing to avoid future game-blown calls for the Bengals is to take care of biz better on the field during the course of an entire game.

I get this, I really do. However, when they start on one of their "emphasize this call" binges and their own refs go way to far over the top, shouldn't they be confident enough to say - okay, enough is enough. I mean games not uncommonly come down to a call or so that can completely change the outcome. When a ref makes a completely wrong call on a goal line spot, or a pass interference call, it makes no sense to say "well, we just should've played so well and been ahead so much that we had a margin of error for crappy calls."

[Ox]

I get this, I really do. However, when they start on one of their "emphasize this call" binges and their own refs go way to far over the top, shouldn't they be confident enough to say - okay, enough is enough. I mean games not uncommonly come down to a call or so that can completely change the outcome. When a ref makes a completely wrong call on a goal line spot, or a pass interference call, it makes no sense to say "well, we just should've played so well and been ahead so much that we had a margin of error for crappy calls."

Couldn't have said it better.