CHRIS PERRY'S TIME

[schweinhart]

How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....

With a little effort, you could prove the same.....For hopefully the last time, here we go again.

Kenny Watson 149-751 5.0 ypc

Chris Perry 61-280 4.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has rushed for more yards at a greater yard per carry average.

Kenny Watson 64-475 7.4 ypc

Chris Perry 54-361 6.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has caught more with a better ypc average, plus he's actually got a 62-yard TD catch that wasn't called back by penalty.

And here's one bonus with Watson:

Kenny Watson 52-1,047.

Chris Perry 0-0

Wanna guess what that one is? Try kickoff returns.

Here's another interesting stat:

Watson: 265 touches and 1 fumble lost (although that 1 lost fumble stil pi$$es me off).

Now if they had a stat for sawed-off blitzing LBs by a 3rd-down back, I'm sure you'd find the most considerable career difference between Watson and Perry right there.

Youre talking about Watson's career stats, over what 5/6 years? compared to Perry's last season+what? 2 games from the year before? MY POINT IS....we know what Perry does...But what has Watson done for the Bengals? most of his yardage stats arent for US. He has not stepped up, to help at all this year, as evidenced by his 7 catches in 5 games.(with only 3 receptions in the first 4 games) and 7 carries(in 5 games) for 56 yards...with the exception of his 8 yrd TD run the rest were pretty much garbage as i recall on several occasions the Bengals having 3rd and 15...3rd and 20...the defenses playing back in coverage(naturally) and they hand off to watson who gets 10 or so cuz everyone is playing back to prevent 1st down, and the only reason they did is just to give Larson some room to punt.

I believe I did say over the course of a career, did I not? Perhaps you're too dimwitted to read Pimple? As for YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT CHRIS PERRY DOES, I'd say you're wrong there, too, because what I've seen Chris THE FLASH IN THE PAN SUPERSTAR Perry do is stay injured most of the time, run like a spaz between the tackles w/o any success especially vs. 3-4 defenses where the lateral flow of the LBs completely wipes him out, blow too many blocks in the backfield on blitz pickup, show he is unable to understand that he should scrap that patented housefly sideways hop that goes every direction except for downfield and just not get how to get hit w/o getting absolutely creamed.

I would agree, though, that most of Watson's stats for the Bengals this year -- and 2004 -- when Perry was out with his bruised labia -- have been 3rd and long draws or screens rather than package plays as a change of pack back. They just never gave Watson that chance.

But Perry's biggest output last year came with the Bengals down 2 TDs vs. a prevent defense. Not that Perry didn't show he's got great skills in the no huddle vs. a prevent defense w/ the Bengals down by 2 TDs. But he hasn't shown much more than that so far now in his 3rd year. Hopefully, he does get to show off his receiving skills much more, though, especially in the short term to help the Bengals get off this losing skid.

[HoosierCat]

Sure you can make an argument. A good argument, I don't think so. We do need his recieving skills, and since it was brought up, he should at least be practicing returning punts, but supplanting Rudi as the starter, PUULEEESE!

At least for the Carolina game...yeah. Right now, the o-line can't open holes for Rudi, so the argument that Perry can't run between the tackles is moot: no one is gonna be able to run between the tackles right now. The second argument is that Rudi offers better pass protection and blitz pickup, but that presupposes that there's someone Carson can throw the ball to, which is the whole point of putting Perry in.

My biggest concerns about Perry right now are related to his lack of action so far this season and his historically shaky ball security.

Once we get some weapons back on offense (Henry) and/or the o-line picks up its run-blocking, I'm all for handing the rock back to Rudi.

[bengalboomer7]

Sure you can make an argument. A good argument, I don't think so. We do need his recieving skills, and since it was brought up, he should at least be practicing returning punts, but supplanting Rudi as the starter, PUULEEESE!

At least for the Carolina game...yeah. Right now, the o-line can't open holes for Rudi, so the argument that Perry can't run between the tackles is moot: no one is gonna be able to run between the tackles right now. The second argument is that Rudi offers better pass protection and blitz pickup, but that presupposes that there's someone Carson can throw the ball to, which is the whole point of putting Perry in.

My biggest concerns about Perry right now are related to his lack of action so far this season and his historically shaky ball security.

Once we get some weapons back on offense (Henry) and/or the o-line picks up its run-blocking, I'm all for handing the rock back to Rudi.

Like I said, you can make an arguement, just not a good one. You say Rudi offers better blitz pickup, then wanna take himout, use one less blocker, and put Perry in as a pass catcher? Sorry, Joisey, I can't believe Chris perry offers a better consistent solution to this problem

[Kazkal]

YOUR POINT IS......WRONG. We dont' know what Perry can do over the long haul because it's never happened. And the reason Watson doesn't have many stats is because of oline struggles he's staying in to protect and block, which by the way, he is fantastic at. Perry WILL be our back up RB when he returns, but Watson is a good solid veteran

Hes fantastic at it? really? when ever I saw him pass blocking vs the steelers and patriots he was wiffing on it.even if watson is great at pass blocking we need perry to dump off the ball quickly too...perry was more useful last year then watson has been his whole career so sorry i'll take perry over watson any day of the week.

[HoosierCat]

Like I said, you can make an arguement, just not a good one.

Actually, I think it is a good one. Your asserting it isn't, without offering any counterargument, is unconvincing.

You say Rudi offers better blitz pickup, then wanna take himout, use one less blocker, and put Perry in as a pass catcher?

As I said before, Rudi's abilities in pass protection are wasted if the passer doesn't have anyone to throw to, and you've already agreed with me that Carson lacks weapons in the passing game.

All it takes is a quick look at the numbers to see the leap in offensive performance Perry can provide to the passing game. Through five games last year, Perry had 16 grabs for 140 yards, and had at least one reception of 10 or more yards in each game. Through five games this year, Rudi and Watson combined have 15 receptions for 97 yards. Each has a reception of 10 or more yards in just one game. More? In five games, Rudi and Watson both have just 2 first downs through the air; Perry racked up 16 last year, an average of just over 1 a game considering he played in 14 games.

Adding another pass protector isn't going to help Carson; adding another receiving threat will.

[Stripes]

I agree that Perry would provide Carson a vital checkdown option to dump the ball to when he has defenders in his face. Still, I don't think that advantage alone is grounds for giving Perry the majority of snaps in a game. We will still have to try and establish a running game, and I'd much rather have Rudi in there with little space than Perry with the same problems. I think his ability to get to the outside is a little overrated amongst his personal fanbase.

He's obviously faster than Rudi, but he isn't a track star. I also think the offensive line would have even more difficulty in run blocking for a guy like Perry, who will need bigger holes to make his cuts. If the line cannot sustain its blocks long enough to give Rudi a crease, then they'll be doomed with Perry trying the same. The Bengals just aren't built to run Andy Reid's schemes.

Perry's return will be a big boost for the offense, but only on third downs or other obvious passing situations.

[HoosierCat]

Reading between the lines on bengals.com, it appears they'll be giving him some time at WR, with Kwash now apparently a scratch for next Sunday. I suspect we'll see him lined up in several different places.

[bengalboomer7]

Like I said, you can make an arguement, just not a good one.

Actually, I think it is a good one. Your asserting it isn't, without offering any counterargument, is unconvincing.

You say Rudi offers better blitz pickup, then wanna take himout, use one less blocker, and put Perry in as a pass catcher?

As I said before, Rudi's abilities in pass protection are wasted if the passer doesn't have anyone to throw to, and you've already agreed with me that Carson lacks weapons in the passing game.

All it takes is a quick look at the numbers to see the leap in offensive performance Perry can provide to the passing game. Through five games last year, Perry had 16 grabs for 140 yards, and had at least one reception of 10 or more yards in each game. Through five games this year, Rudi and Watson combined have 15 receptions for 97 yards. Each has a reception of 10 or more yards in just one game. More? In five games, Rudi and Watson both have just 2 first downs through the air; Perry racked up 16 last year, an average of just over 1 a game considering he played in 14 games.

Adding another pass protector isn't going to help Carson; adding another receiving threat will.

See, now I think we're arguing different things. As the third down back,(and bckup running back) Perry is great. He can't start for the Bengals, though

[jditty47]

who says he cant start? he hasnt been ABLE to start. he shouldnt start should have been what u meant. at least for now anyway...

[Kazkal]

He'll be our starting slot wr

[schweinhart]

As I said before, Rudi's abilities in pass protection are wasted if the passer doesn't have anyone to throw to, and you've already agreed with me that Carson lacks weapons in the passing game.

All it takes is a quick look at the numbers to see the leap in offensive performance Perry can provide to the passing game. Through five games last year, Perry had 16 grabs for 140 yards, and had at least one reception of 10 or more yards in each game. Through five games this year, Rudi and Watson combined have 15 receptions for 97 yards. Each has a reception of 10 or more yards in just one game. More? In five games, Rudi and Watson both have just 2 first downs through the air; Perry racked up 16 last year, an average of just over 1 a game considering he played in 14 games.

Adding another pass protector isn't going to help Carson; adding another receiving threat will.

Carson does need somebody to throw to but he also needs to throw a whole lot better. I woud say at least 5 of those missed 3rd down conversions last week were square on his shoulders because he was throwing some crap balls and it wasn't near the pressure he saw vs. Pats.

No doubt Perry is a gifted receiver and using him as a slot receiver isn't exactly new for him but he is w/o a doubt an upgrade over Chatman there as a vertical threat and over K-Dub in the middle because Perry gets far better separation off routes.

Rudi has improved as a receiver but hardly to the point where he can be considered a target. Watson does have receiver skills and they were largely wasted during this time w/o Perry but almost had to be the last 2 games for as much as they kept him in the backfield to block.

I suspect we'll see the split backfield a lot for passing downs with Perry and either Watson/Kelly/Stewart as the 2nd back. The formation provides a perfect opportunity to send Perry in motion and off into a route much like it did for the other Perry before he went down. But it also forces the defense to account for splilling both into the flats at the same time, which should lessen the calls for LB blitzes.

But the main things to get the Bengals back on track offensively are to obviously give Carson time to throw and just as important have Carson show up and start the roll like he finished on last year. Certainly it will help him to have a familiar target in Perry but also a better target than the other 2 options until Henry and Tab are back.

[HoosierCat]

Carson does need somebody to throw to but he also needs to throw a whole lot better.

No doubt. I have thought since the start of the season that he's looked off, mechanically and mentally, and Lonnie Wheeler in his Post column yesterday finally came out and said the same thing. To come back from the knee injury as far as he has is nothing short of amazing -- but right now he still isn't the Palmer he was.

That said, he's still doing OK, and if nothing else Perry's return will force the LBs and safeties to at least consider the possibility the Bengals might put together a successful short passing game, which will help keep them out of Carson's face so much, which in turn out to get some better results out of Palmer.

[Spain]

Play them both. Whose hot is hot. Seems simple.

[derekshank]

What I've noticed is that Carson is only making bad throws when he's throwing to Chad. For whatever reason, they aren't in sync. He's making good throws to Housh, and was making great throws to Henry... but for some reason, all the throws to Chad are behind him, or long, or early. They just aren't on the same page, and it makes it look like Carson is playing worse than he is.

I imagine he'll be throwing to Perry too, and he'll look just fine. Once he gets on the same page with Chad, this offense will be back on track. The problem isn't that we are missing too many weapons because of injuries or suspensions. The problem is that Palmer's most dangerous weapon isn't in sync with him. The running game will get better when the long pass threat becomes a real threat again... and that will happen when Palmer and Chad get in a groove, as well as when Henry gets back.