Kazkal Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I'll take a pile of hot crap like odell and henry over a turd that won't flush chatman and simmons anyday of the week...If Tatupu would have been there when we picked ya I probbley would take him instead of odell.but name a better LB from that draft after odell was selected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I voted Defense but honestly an all of the above option would have gotten my vote instead.From the looks of the voting, that probably should have been an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 schweinhart...do you notice anything fundamentally wrong with the way this defense is game planned, or is there a severe lack of talent. I must admit, I have been a serious Landon Johnson pimp in the past, but he is average, to below average in my opinion. I rarely notice him making plays in the running game. He misses a lot of tackles, and I really don't see the coverage skills that are supposed to be his strong point. He seems slower to me. Matter of fact the whole LB corps seem slow to me. Caleb/LJ/Simmons, seem like good role players, but when asked to step up and make a big play, rarely will they come through, with the exception of Simmons at times.The d-line, is another question mark with me. They seem poorly coached. The over pursue way too much, and they don't seem to have that guy who can get to the QB with any regularity. Is it time to look at the Coach Hayes and Coach Hunley, and if so what do you guys think will fix these obvious flaws in the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMThor Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I voted Defense but honestly an all of the above option would have gotten my vote instead.From the looks of the voting, that probably should have been an option. X2.But if you look at it, our defense stopped nothing. Not a thing.Then again, our offense got nothing. Not a thing.And then our special teams. Well at least they didn't fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Was it just me or did every defensive play look like the guys lined up and didn't move an inch until the ball was snapped ?? It didn't appear to have any movement prior to snap of the ball. No confusion. No blitzing. No any d*mn thing and certainly NO D*MN ATTITUDE !!! THey played like they were sleeping through the game. I can't even count how many times I saw a defensive player (Close to the play) standing there watching !!! That being said, I only saw the second half of the game...Did I mention I was PISSED OFF tonight ???WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 They were both equally bad. You don't give up that many rushing yards and expect to win the game.That said... I voted for the offense. 2 Palmer fumbles giving New England great field position is not fair to this defense. When this offense can only manage 13 points against a rag-tag secondary, you know neither side is doing it's job. We couldn't give the defense a break, and the defense couldn't get Brady off the field.It was a pitiful performance by both squads... so who cares. We got our asses kicked. Better now than later. Marvin has 2 solid weeks to whip them into shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Defense.They were completely dominated all over the field, especially at the line of scrimmage. For the second straight week, the opposition has made our defensive line look like chocolate f**king pudding. The linebackers couldn't make a tackle on Maroney, and Tory James was absolutely pathetic.The offense was inconsistent, but I'll give all the credit to Belichick for scheming on defense perfectly to confuse Palmer and more-so Ghiaciuc. The much maligned New England secondary played very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Found this kind of amusing...Who would have thought we would miss the pass rush of Jeanty, when at the time he was signed, most thought him to be nothing more than camp fodder ?? I've never seen a QB with more time to pass the ball than what Brady had today...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Defense.When will these guys learn how to tackle? When will they be able to stop the run? How many more times will the secondary (not mentioning any names) be embarrassed?The offense was just as bad today, but I blame that more on the "snowball effect" and the game getting out of hand thanks to the defensive ineptness.With that being said, I believe if the Bengals would have been able to put touchdowns on the board on those first two drives instead of settling for field goals, it would have been a different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Troy Brown was on ur #3 recevier so if Henry played it wud have helped alot. (it wud have help us if we had hobbs tho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Maybe I am used to seeing the defense get steamrolled in the running game and give up big third down conversions on trick plays and TE pass over the middle or in the flats. So I voted offense since I expect more out of them. We looked bad, real bad. Can somebody explain to me how a team can put up yards on the ground like that in the NFL? I mean come on. Has Fat Sam every been victimized like that before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Maybe I am used to seeing the defense get steamrolled in the running game and give up big third down conversionsWouldn't "Sick" of seeing it be more appropriate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Carson is still getting healthy!I have heard all year (offseason) about how the defense was going to step up and carry some of the load to keep the pressure off the O.Well, if I can borrow a phrase from Marvin, "I see better than I hear!"Nuff said!Put it on the field and SHUT UP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 schweinhart...do you notice anything fundamentally wrong with the way this defense is game planned, or is there a severe lack of talent. I must admit, I have been a serious Landon Johnson pimp in the past, but he is average, to below average in my opinion. I rarely notice him making plays in the running game. He misses a lot of tackles, and I really don't see the coverage skills that are supposed to be his strong point. He seems slower to me. Matter of fact the whole LB corps seem slow to me. Caleb/LJ/Simmons, seem like good role players, but when asked to step up and make a big play, rarely will they come through, with the exception of Simmons at times.The d-line, is another question mark with me. They seem poorly coached. The over pursue way too much, and they don't seem to have that guy who can get to the QB with any regularity. Is it time to look at the Coach Hayes and Coach Hunley, and if so what do you guys think will fix these obvious flaws in the defense.Going into the year, the additions of Dex Jack and Doublewide Sam plus Pollack and Odumb in their 2nd years made this look like the most promising defense that Marvin has had. Now they're on their heels the rest of the year with lesser personnel from the loss of Pollack and Odumb.Landon Johnson looks like he plays the run best at MLB rather than either outside where he just gets stood up and walled too much in space. I'd like to see him switched back to the middle where he did well in 2004. Miller is a sub who is hands down still a last resort but the PT he's getting should help the team down the road.The D-line still looks like it's the best it's been under Marvin but the straight 4 man rush looks weakened with the loss of Pollack rushing on the line on passing downs. The biggest difference between Frazier and Brez was the stunting and blitzing. Now there's nowhere near as much and if the Bengals want to rely on their secondary and LBs in coverage instead of applying QB pressure, the good QBs are likely to shred them when they've got 10 seconds to throw. So I'd say more stunts and blitzes w/ either Jumpy Jr. or Justin dropping back into shallow coverage. Joseph is the best edge blitzer the Bengals got but he's got to come clean to get there and the Bengals need to do a better job of getting him there unblocked.All in all the defense between this year and last year is likely to be less now until there's more lateral speed and LOS attack from the MLB and better rush from the end on 3rd downs. I actually think Jeanty can probably be sufficient as a replacement for Pollack but MLB looks like a gash this year thanks to Odumb.And overall, the defense has been a disappointment under Marvin and his staff but not this year in terms of what has been under their control. How they adjust will be the difference and let's hope they're getting it together for the 2nd 4th of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 the offense sucked more. heres why. 2 scoring drives in the first half shoulda been touchdowns, not field goals. and of course, the costly palmer fumble that put the game out of reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 and of course, the costly palmer fumble that put the game out of reach.The way the defense didn't tackle, it was never in reach. *IMHO!!* The Ravens can win by scoring under 20 points. Why can't Cincy...just once in a while!?! I think the last time I could really credit the defense with a win was the Monday night Denver game last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Our Defense playing the way they are isn't anything new. I'd have to say that the offense has let the team down the most at this point. When they start to move the ball and put up some points, then I might change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 The Ravens can win by scoring under 20 points. Why can't Cincy...just once in a while!?! I think the last time I could really credit the defense with a win was the Monday night Denver game last year. How about this seasons opener against Kansas City? Wasn't that a defensive win? Or how about the win over the Steelers? Four defensive turnovers, including two TD saving interceptions and a fumble recovery that set up a one play drive for a sputtering offense, right? Look, I get the idea that people are frustrated due to the way the Bengals were whipped by New England, but maybe we should all try to remember two things. First, it was the Patriots doing the whipping, and last time I checked they were a team capable of doing that very thing to any team in the NFL. Second, it was just one game. Yeah, no kidding. Yet there seems to be a fair number of Bengal fans walking around as if the Bengals had lost four games in one weekend. Check the standings. Bottom Line: They're 3-1 at the bye, and I'm willing to bet that the team that takes the field for the 5th game won't closely resemble the one that lost to New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Bottom Line: They're 3-1 at the bye,For that I'm ecstatic. It could have been worse...much worse.I'm willing to bet that the team that takes the field for the 5th game won't closely resemble the one that lost to New England.Offensively, most likely not. Defensively? I'll take that bet, and raise you a ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 the offense sucked more. heres why. 2 scoring drives in the first half shoulda been touchdowns, not field goals. and of course, the costly palmer fumble that put the game out of reach.Offense shouldent need score 40 pts everyweek defense should be able hold em now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadraftnick Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 The answer to,who let team down the most:A)OffenseBDefenseThe answer is:Odel Thurman for getting suspended.Chris Henry for helping him go to hell in a hand basket, for going with him, for not stopping him.Eric Ghiciuac for sucking and not being good enough to play in the NFL.Marvin Lewis for not putting Stienbeck or Ben Wilkerson at C after he saw that Ghiciuc is not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Yep, stupid Odell and Henry missed a sh*tload of tackles and their lack of a pass rush absolutely killed us... WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadraftnick Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Yep, stupid Odell and Henry missed a sh*tload of tackles and their lack of a pass rush absolutely killed us... WHODEY !!!Thats the point if they were there it would have been a much different game, the D would have played better and they would not have been a distraction.Odel played at Probowl level last year, he wolud have been even better with Sam Adams in there and a year of experience under his belt.Henry not being there meant that they had to try to force alot of balls to other guys when Henry would have been open(if he were in), I think if Henry could get his head out of his anus, he could he a Randy Moss type of player.You would still have Ghiacauc at C so,you might still loose but, it would have at least been closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Yep, stupid Odell and Henry missed a sh*tload of tackles and their lack of a pass rush absolutely killed us... WHODEY !!!Thats the point if they were there it would have been a much different game, the D would have played better and they would not have been a distraction.Odel played at Probowl level last year, he wolud have been even better with Sam Adams in there and a year of experience under his belt.Henry not being there meant that they had to try to force alot of balls to other guys when Henry would have been open(if he were in), I think if Henry could get his head out of his anus, he could he a Randy Moss type of player.You would still have Ghiacauc at C so,you might still loose but, it would have at least been closer. So having Henry in would have made the D play better huh ?? And I will once again point out that if we go to hell on the field due to losing one player, we are screwed !!! Odell wasn't here when everyone was calling this D "dominant" and now all of a sudden people are grasping at straws to come up with a reason our defense blew goats nuts last Sunday. Here's an idea... How about the defense learn to f*cking tackle or maybe put one pass rush together. Oh yeah, here's another word they need to learn... BLITZ... I won't even go into Guycheck as that seems like a bigger problem than most are admitting.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeoftheTiger Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 The D needs to step up more,we need to be winning games even if the O puts up 20 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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