Chris Perry?

[Bengalbob]

Here we are going into another camp without (at least in the beginning) the services of Chris Perry, again. This is three times in a row. If you're not happy with Perry, looking back who would you have taken instead? If you limit yourself to the players starting from the Bengals original pick (that was traded to the Rams) to the Bengals 1st second round pick, does anyone here stand out

24 St. Louis Steven Jackson RB Oregon State

25 Green Bay Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas

26 Cincinnati Chris Perry RB Michigan

27 Houston Jason Babin OLB Western Michigan

28 Carolina Chris Gamble CB Ohio State

29 Atlanta Michael Jenkins WR Ohio State

30 Detroit Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech

31 San Francisco Rashaun Woods WR Oklahoma State

32 New England Ben Watson TE Georgia

Round 2

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

33 Arizona Karlos Dansby OLB Auburn

34 N.Y. Giants Chris Snee G Boston College

35 San Diego Igor Olshansky DE Oregon

36 Kansas City Junior Siavii DT Oregon

37 Detroit Teddy Lehman MLB Oklahoma

38 Pittsburgh Ricardo Colclough CB Tusculum, Tenn.

39 Jacksonville Daryl Smith OLB Georgia Tech

40 Tennessee Ben Troupe TE Florida

41 Denver Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State

42 Tennessee Travis LaBoy DE Hawaii

43 Dallas Julius Jones RB Notre Dame

44 Indianapolis Bob Sanders FS Iowa

45 Oakland Jake Grove C Virginia Tech

46 San Francisco Justin Smiley G Alabama

47 Chicago Tank Johnson DT Washington

48 Minnesota Dontarrious Thomas OLB Auburn

49 Cincinnati Keiwan Ratliff CB Florida

I guess to me it would have been nice to have Olshansky (a good looking 3-4 DE), Daryl Smith, or Bob Sanders, but none of these guys were considered 1st round talent either. Maybe Perry was the better pick after all?

Not looking to recreate all of the old Perry bashing threads, but rather trying to look back with a little hindsight.

[Stripes]

In the first round, the only player that really stands out to me as a possible better option is Chris Gamble. That doesn't matter now, I'd rather have Joseph.

Of the second rounders listed, Igor Olshansky or Bob Sanders would have worked. I'd rather have Madieu than Sanders, however.

Perry hasn't amounted to much as of yet, but considering the circumstances of when he was picked... I don't think it was all that horrible. I'd say we could have traded down, but we had already done so twice to get down to 26 (and stolen Deltha O'Neal from Denver in the process).

If he can stay healthy (and given his career so far, that is a big if) I think he can end up being a contributor for us. He'll be the tight end we never had, from a different spot on the field. As a backup for Rudi, I'm pleased.

God help us if Rudi gets hurt though.

[Spor_tees]

I think it is pretty obvious who most people would have taken, the same guy they wanted instead of Perry, Chris Gamble. I also would have been interested in Olshansky. Of coarse I have always hated Chris Perry

[CantStop85]

Ben Watson would've been nice.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Here we are going into another camp without (at least in the beginning) the services of Chris Perry, again. This is three times in a row. If you're not happy with Perry, looking back who would you have taken instead? If you limit yourself to the players starting from the Bengals original pick (that was traded to the Rams) to the Bengals 1st second round pick, does anyone here stand out

24 St. Louis Steven Jackson RB Oregon State

25 Green Bay Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas

26 Cincinnati Chris Perry RB Michigan

27 Houston Jason Babin OLB Western Michigan

28 Carolina Chris Gamble CB Ohio State

29 Atlanta Michael Jenkins WR Ohio State

30 Detroit Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech

31 San Francisco Rashaun Woods WR Oklahoma State

32 New England Ben Watson TE Georgia

I guess to me it would have been nice to have Olshansky (a good looking 3-4 DE), Daryl Smith, or Bob Sanders, but none of these guys were considered 1st round talent either. Maybe Perry was the better pick after all?

Not looking to recreate all of the old Perry bashing threads, but rather trying to look back with a little hindsight.

You're right - hindsight's not fair, but I'll allow myself the luxury since I nearly threw things at the TV when I heard the pick. Had I not been playing poker in Vegas when I heard, I would have thrown things. As it was, the only things nearby were my chips. I've always hated this pick.

1) If Perry were meant as Rudi insurance, I would have taken Jackson at the time. He was much more highly regarded at the time, and he's had some actual success that's justified that. Jones would have been fine too, and they still could have gotten him after the trade down with StL. Now, it would be too easy to say Julius Jones or Tatum Bell, as that's definitely hindsight. Sanders too, as you mention, would have been awesome, but no one saw that coming (to that degree anyway).

2) Preferable would have been to not take a RB with the first pick and get a CB as others have mentioned. Gamble would have been great, and Carroll would have been fine with me (I'm not an OSU fan).

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I still like the Perry pick, but I'd much rather have Stephen Jackson.

[bengalboomer7]

It's hard to loo back, but if I do, I pull the trigger just exactly the way Marvin did. Rudi was a question mark, but we had the tag to keep him, so Marvin picked up a player that could do all the things Rudi didn't do so well, like sweeps and screens. They complement each other very well with thier completely different styles. I wouldn't have picked jackson because he is too similar to what we already had, Rudi.

[turningpoint]

chris snee, but i would of barfed if we drafted a G in the 1st round.

[ChadJohnson-85]

I aint mad about the Perry pick but I think we could of did better. I would have picked Jackson over Perry any day. I hope Perry turns out to be much better this year then he has been.

[BlainThePain]

It's still too early to tell how good the Perry pick is. We'll really see what we have in him after this season. If I had to repick though, it would be Karlos Dansby. That guy has been a beast for the Cards and if he played for a more popular team he would be a household name.

[HairOnFire]

Hindsight is all well and good, but I think I'll limit myself to mentioning a player I actually pimped fairly hard prior to that draft.

33 Arizona Karlos Dansby OLB Auburn - I'm pretty sure I was the only poster on the Huddles board who bothered championing Dansby as a possiblity, and I did so pretty often. Whether the Bengals had any interest in him I couldn't say, but since that draft they've certainly shown plenty of interest in the LB position, right?

EDIT: Nice job of beating me to the punch, Blain.

[TJJackson]

My pick at the time was Karlos Dansby, and that hasn't changed since that horrid moment when the commissioner announced we had picked Two Carry Perry

I have championed this pick several times, albeit I have never been on Huddles

So Hair......I guess we can agree on something after all

edit - I was also at the time pulling hard for them to pick C Jake Grove, though I would have strongly preferred them to drop a few spots more to get him.

[HairOnFire]

My pick at the time was Karlos Dansby, and that hasn't changed since that horrid moment when the commissioner announced we had picked Two Carry Perry

I have championed this pick several times, albeit I have never been on Huddles

So Hair......I guess we can agree on something after all

Well, to be completely fair I haven't been on Huddles in a very long time. Not since they kicked me off for the 3rd and final time. (If given enough time I think everyone either gets kicked off of that board or simply quits in disgust.)

BTW, I think we agree on plenty of things, TJ. But our disagreements are usually louder and more memorable.

Mucho respect.

[cincy9275]

I wanted gamble then now i'm not to sure because of the potential Perry has , but then Gambles 13 int's and like 130 tackles and a touchdown the past 2 season's would be very hard to pass on .

[ArmyBengal]

I still remember hearing them call the name "Chris" and thought for sure we had just drafted Gamble, then they said, "Perry" and I spit beer all over my buddies coach. I'm still unsure which to be more pissed about, not getting Gamble, or spitting out a perfectly good mouthful of beer !!! D*mn Perry !!!

Seriously though, if C. Perry realizes his potential and stays healthy, I love having him back there !!! Is it just me or do we have a bunch of players we are waiting to have them realize their potential ??

WHODEY !!!

[Dadraftnick]

Its never a good idea to use a 1st round pick for a backup player,that said it nice to have him there to back up Rudi.

I would have liked DE Jared Allen or DE Bo Shobel both of which we could have had instead of Geathers,which shows that the Bengal need to look at how they evaluate players,at the very least DE's.

Robert Geathers was rated the 27 best DE and was rated as an undrafted free agent

Jared Allen 17 1/2 sacks 28 tfl 108 tackles

Bo Shoebel 17 sacks 27 tfl 61 tackles

Robert Geathers 3 sacks 5tfl 33 tackles

One of the Bengals biggest draft day blunders WHAT IN THE WORLD made them think that 3 sacks at Geaorgia would transfer into 15 in the NFL?????????

[Kazkal]

I would have taken Kevin Jones but I'm happy with perry aslong as he can play

Ben Watson would've been nice.

I would have loved watson too one of my favorite moments last year was watching him catch up to baily at the 1yard line.I think levi would have beat Kelly to the tackle lol

[Kazkal]

It's still too early to tell how good the Perry pick is. We'll really see what we have in him after this season. If I had to repick though, it would be Karlos Dansby. That guy has been a beast for the Cards and if he played for a more popular team he would be a household name.

True that + everyone was rdy ship TJ out because of injurys mybe chris will be the same way

[BengalBillyBob]

Ben Watson and Ben Troupe are both very good TE's. I'd rather have taken a TE in round 1 and a back-up RB later in the draft. Could have taken Ben Watson in rd 1 and traded up for Tatem Bell in rd 2.

[HoTbOy]

I wanted CGamble that year so that's my pick...CPerry wasn't even on my radar that year...

[Oldcat]

I wanted CGamble that year so that's my pick...CPerry wasn't even on my radar that year...

I think the Perry pick was a pick made for similar reasons to the Whitworth pick this year.

Since Rudy was unsigned and had had only 1 good year there were valid questions about if

he would be the #1 back long term. If he either couldn't be signed or was a flash in the pan

Perry would be there as a talented back. Remember last off season was the one where the

Raiders paid crazy money for a career backup. If someone had done that to Rudi we might

not have had anybody back there if we hadn't drafted a RB.

The reason I like the Perry pick over Jackson is that Jackson is the same kind of runner as Rudi

is so there isn't a lot of point in having both. So Perry was a better choice because he gives the

defense a different kind of threat than Rudi.

Sometimes an organization has to play it a little safer than you do in Madden 2006, where you can

force a crazy trade with another team to cover your problems.

[HoTbOy]

I wanted CGamble that year so that's my pick...CPerry wasn't even on my radar that year...

I think the Perry pick was a pick made for similar reasons to the Whitworth pick this year.

Since Rudy was unsigned and had had only 1 good year there were valid questions about if

he would be the #1 back long term. If he either couldn't be signed or was a flash in the pan

Perry would be there as a talented back. Remember last off season was the one where the

Raiders paid crazy money for a career backup. If someone had done that to Rudi we might

not have had anybody back there if we hadn't drafted a RB.

The reason I like the Perry pick over Jackson is that Jackson is the same kind of runner as Rudi

is so there isn't a lot of point in having both. So Perry was a better choice because he gives the

defense a different kind of threat than Rudi.

Sometimes an organization has to play it a little safer than you do in Madden 2006, where you can

force a crazy trade with another team to cover your problems.

I agree that the pick was justified at that time with the RJohnson situation at that time, I'm just saying that I wanted CGamble, and since we had to take a RB i'm glad it was CPerry because of his versatility, but he just can't seem to stay healthy a whole season...

[HairOnFire]

I agree that the pick was justified at that time with the RJohnson situation at that time...

I'll argue that it wasn't justified, but under the circumstances....slightly understandable. The Bengals should have had much more faith in their ability to retain Rudi Johnson since they always had the ability to place a tag on him that would have all but eliminated his ability to move on. They should have also been confident in their ability to find a quality and complimentary 3rd down back later in the draft. In fact, much later.

BTW, let me be the first poster to predict that Perry is finally going to breakout THIS week.

[derekshank]

I agree that the pick was justified at that time with the RJohnson situation at that time...

I'll argue that it wasn't justified, but under the circumstances....slightly understandable. The Bengals should have had much more faith in their ability to retain Rudi Johnson since they always had the ability to place a tag on him that would have all but eliminated his ability to move on. They should have also been confident in their ability to find a quality and complimentary 3rd down back later in the draft. In fact, much later.

BTW, let me be the first poster to predict that Perry is finally going to breakout THIS week.

To be fair, I'm not sure how much the logic of the Perry pick was about their ability to retain Rudi as much as wondering if he could do it over the course of the whole season. He filled in for Dillon in excellent fashion... but how many times have we seen a RB come in with fresh legs half way through the season, dominate, and then fade to nothing when given the starting role the next season. I came up with Trung Canidate and Anthony Thomas off the top of my head.

The point is, no one really knew if Rudi was able to do it over the course of the entire season. He has obviously shown that he is more than capable, and hindsight is 20/20... but I remember when the pick was made being a bit relieved, because I wasn't 100% confident yet in Rudi's long term value. (even though I didn't like Perry because he's Michigan)

[Spor_tees]

Chris Perry if he is lucky might grow up one day to be a Duce Staley...but he will never become a Warrick Dunn, he doesn't have enough heart to ever be a Warrick Dunn.