Daugherty Article

[Jet23]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...0342/1066/SPT02

When poor judgment starts costing us games (Odell) I care. Other than that, I could give a rats ass what anyone else thinks of the Bengals. The only worthwhile statement in Daugherty’s ramblings was the following: ‘It's about finding tough-guy players who, when a Steeler or Raven busts them in their mouths, will bust back twice as hard. Guys like Odell Thurman.’ True Dat! The NFL is a street fight. If Joey Porter and Kimo Von Knee Capper are standing in front of me, in a dark alley, I want Odell Thurman by my side, not John flipping Kitna. For an entire decade we have been the laughing stock of the NFL. Now, we are ready to start bitch slapping some people and they don’t like it.

I have also been a UC fan my entire life, so I am used to the whole University of Criminal crap spewed by the Xavier squirrels. If they want to call us criminals that is fine, but let in be in the context of ‘the Criminals just kicked the crap out of us on Sunday’. The Chicken Littles (thanks hair) will be cheering Brooks when he makes his first pro bowl.

[TJJackson]

The Chicken Littles (thanks hair) will be cheering Brooks when he makes his first pro bowl.

...and you Ostriches will continue to deny any problems exist when he rots in jail the next season, your heads firmly buried in the sand

[HairOnFire]

The Chicken Littles (thanks hair) will be cheering Brooks when he makes his first pro bowl.

...and you Ostriches will continue to deny any problems exist when he rots in jail the next season, your heads firmly buried in the sand

Division Championship

Playoff Berth

Super Bowl Contender

Add it all up and you've got a young football team with a very bright future supported by great fans...half of whom are spastic Chicken Little types who haven't found a negative too small to get their panties in a bunch about.

The other half of that fanbase?

Smiling happy bastards without a care in the world.

[ArmyBengal]

Heard they we're raising the prices of beer again in the stadium...

That is more worth getting upset about !!!

WHODEY !!!

[buck3y3d]

The character issues are a reflection of the city. When I think of Oakland, I think the Raiders and the stereotypes that go with it. When I think Cleveland, I think of the Browns.

The problem with the character issues is that they do cause problems in the locker room. Missing 4 games is a big problem on the field. Henry will miss at least 1 game and probably more. These are problems.

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

[ArmyBengal]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

They won't stop happening and that is the point so many people have been trying to make. When I say "so many", I'm referring to not only the people on this board but the majority of players and ex-players that have tried to explain it.

PEOPLE JUST LIKE TO B*TCH !!! What would half the people do if they didn't have something to complain about ??

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

WHODEY !!!

[Walrus]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

C'mon now, Army. You really believe that if we close our eyes and plug our ears all our problems will just disappear? I thought TJJ was using hyperbole when he called folks "ostriches". Guess he was right on the money.

[Jet23]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

C'mon now, Army. You really believe that if we close our eyes and plug our ears all our problems will just disappear? I thought TJJ was using hyperbole when he called folks "ostriches". Guess he was right on the money.

Like ML, I understand that jumping in bed with these guys is a risk. But, I believe it to be a calculated risk with a ton of up side. So, people are calling us names, boo freaking hoo!

At the risk of quoting Billy Joel:

I'D RATHER DANCE WITH THE SINNERS THAN CRY WITH THE SAINTS...

[ArmyBengal]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

C'mon now, Army. You really believe that if we close our eyes and plug our ears all our problems will just disappear? I thought TJJ was using hyperbole when he called folks "ostriches". Guess he was right on the money.

Once again, being misunderstood here... I NEVER said the problems would just go away, I said they would go back to the way they were. By "the way they were", I mean, these problems have always existed and most never hear about it. When there is nothing else to talk about (or sell magazines or give reason to tune into ESPN) anything will be discussed and "character" seems to be the "soup of the day", so to speak. I'm merely suggesting that when this stops being discussed, people will go back to talking about what really matters and that is what happens on the field. When we are winning, does anyone think the character discussion is going to be the "hot topic" ?? I think not. This is not to diminish the problem that exists or the effect on the team, rather except the fact that it has always been there and it always will. Fans, most of the times will never know to what extent. My head isn't buried, it's just not spinning around while I enjoy sticking my panties up my ass for sh*ts and giggles...

WHODEY !!!

[Kirkendall]

Report: 9-year old Carson Palmer discovered to have stolen a snickers bar at a local gas station shop. Marvin Lewis taking blame for not knowing quarterback's history.

UPDATE: Lugar Henry visits gas station owner.

UPDATE 2: Odell tells Henry it's 16:20; prevents disaster, over 1,420 bags of Doritos sold. Record!

UPDATE 3: Frostee throws phone at bird that poops on pimp-mobile in parking lot. Curses bird out.

UPDATE 4: AJ takes gas station. Claims it's his. Pringles and ice cream now sold out.

Does that sound like the national media when talking about the Bengals these days?

[Walrus]

Report: 9-year old Carson Palmer discovered to have stolen a snickers bar at a local gas station shop. Marvin Lewis taking blame for not knowing quarterback's history.

UPDATE: Lugar Henry visits gas station owner.

UPDATE 2: Odell tells Henry it's 16:20; prevents disaster, over 1,420 bags of Doritos sold. Record!

UPDATE 3: Frostee throws phone at bird that poops on pimp-mobile in parking lot. Curses bird out.

UPDATE 4: AJ takes gas station. Claims it's his. Pringles and ice cream now sold out.

Does that sound like the national media when talking about the Bengals these days?

Hey, I'll be there cheering the Bengals on with everyone else, but what's the point in ignoring the reality that there are some problems on the team. I think the players (usually) care about what people think of them -- almost as much as they care about getting paid -- sounds like even TO feels that way from the bits I've seen of his new book. Maybe if the rookies with "character concerns" see that they won't get carte blanche from the fans, they'll realize that Chris Henry-style behavior is NOT ACCEPTABLE -- something Henry does not seem to realize.

[Kirkendall]

I blame Canada.

[Walrus]

I blame Canada.

Stupid CFL.

[ArmyBengal]

Well, I'm of the concept that what good does it do anyone to b*tch about something they can't do anything about or control ?? Ok, people are concerned about the "character concerns" of the organization, fine... What are they going to do about it ?? Not buy season tickets ?? Not buy a jersey ?? Well, to that I say, good luck as I'm sure there will be someone else more than happy to get those seats and wear that jersey !!! I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying that's the way it is...

WHODEY !!!

[rwalling]

Daugherty's completely right on target only he doesn't go far enough...

- all of our heroes should be convicts, thugs, drug addicts and criminals

- we should hold only violent, angry men up to our sons and daughters as role models... and make sure they get paid millions for this behavior

- character doesn't matter, winning at all costs does

- to hell with teamwork, whoever has the best gimmick and catches the most headlines should be the most successful and highly compensated (no, I love Chad, he's both, I'm making a point)

What was that thread before "when bad behavior leads to bad journalism" - UGH

Am I the only one that still remembers Bengals teams that made fun of the goons in Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Oakland and beat them by being a stronger, more disciplined, smarter TEAM?!?

Another sign of civilization in decline... sigh

[ShulaSteakhouse]

The other half of that fanbase?

Smiling happy bastards without a care in the world.

Yep, just like Forrest Gump.

[BengalByTheBay]

At the risk of quoting Billy Joel:

I'D RATHER DANCE WITH THE SINNERS THAN CRY WITH THE SAINTS...

Laugh. "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."

The other half of that fanbase?

Smiling happy bastards without a care in the world.

Yep, just like Forrest Gump.

Is ignorance truly bliss? More importantly, if you accept that ignorance is bliss, why would you choose anything else? Even more importantly, football is a fun pasttime, not the answer to the eternal questions.

On an non-related note, have you ever noticed that kickers don't get nicknames. I would like everyone to start referring to Shayne Grahm as "the Cracker" from now on.

[Jet23]

At the risk of quoting Billy Joel:

I'D RATHER DANCE WITH THE SINNERS THAN CRY WITH THE SAINTS...

Laugh. "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."

Damn it! I knew I shouldn't have tried to quote Billy Joel. Oh well, SING US A SONG YOU'RE A PIANO CAN!

[ArmyBengal]

I would like everyone to start referring to Shayne Grahm as "the Cracker" from now on.

"The Cracker" ?? Don't they already call him "Opie" ??

By the way, Shayne is the f*cking man !!!

WHODEY !!!

[HairOnFire]

The other half of that fanbase?

Smiling happy bastards without a care in the world.

Yep, just like Forrest Gump.

Wow, I guess that movie was over your head.

Watch it again and you'll see that Forrest rarely smiles and carries emotional baggage with him everywhere he goes. First he's teased by other kids, then he's troubled by the things Jenny tells him about her father, then it's the troubling things he experiences in college, then it's off to war, dealing with the death of Bubba, dealing with the near death of Lt. Dan, dealing with Dan's drunken depression, dealing with the death of Momma, running for years until he's physically exhausted and emotionally drained, then dealing with the death of Jenny, and finally...worrying that he's not smart enough to raise Lil' Forrest.

That whole movie is an angst-fest.

Try again.

[DesperateDerelict]

Daugherty is a tool.

Always has been.

Always will be.

[Spor_tees]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

C'mon now, Army. You really believe that if we close our eyes and plug our ears all our problems will just disappear? I thought TJJ was using hyperbole when he called folks "ostriches". Guess he was right on the money.

Once again, being misunderstood here... I NEVER said the problems would just go away, I said they would go back to the way they were. By "the way they were", I mean, these problems have always existed and most never hear about it. When there is nothing else to talk about (or sell magazines or give reason to tune into ESPN) anything will be discussed and "character" seems to be the "soup of the day", so to speak. I'm merely suggesting that when this stops being discussed, people will go back to talking about what really matters and that is what happens on the field. When we are winning, does anyone think the character discussion is going to be the "hot topic" ?? I think not. This is not to diminish the problem that exists or the effect on the team, rather except the fact that it has always been there and it always will. Fans, most of the times will never know to what extent. My head isn't buried, it's just not spinning around while I enjoy sticking my panties up my ass for sh*ts and giggles...

WHODEY !!!

Don't you think ignoring the problems and closing our eyes to what these guys do is only going to exacerbate it? I mean what more could bad character guys want than an audience of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" people? If anything, putting all their behaviors out on the table like this, may help to turn them around, and it shows kids out there how truly assclownish their behaviors are. Army you don't believe there is anything we can do to correct how these guys act, but believe it or not what we are doing right now does make a difference. Discussing this on here in front of some of the younger people on this board and even some of the older people on this board brings to light some of the morals of society. Sadly though, some people on this board close their eyes to these problems because the Bengals made the play-offs last year. Well this is this year and they haven't won (nor lost) a game yet since these problems have arisen. So to say these problems won't hurt the team and blast every journalist with an opinion puts you in the same boat as them.

Fact is these problems are bad for the team, whether we know yet how bad they will affect them when the season starts or not. Let's not take the stance that we just ignore them because they happen, and set a bad example for future generations. Do you leave your doors unlocked at night just because burglaries happen? Do you just leave the keys in your car because cars get stolen? I doubt it because I don't think you are that dumb. So let's not ignore the fact we have asshats in our community playing for the Bengals.

[ArmyBengal]

I'm tired of hearing about problems, but I want them to stop happening, rather than us stop talking about them.

Just like TO, stop talking about it, and it will go back to the way it has been forever...

C'mon now, Army. You really believe that if we close our eyes and plug our ears all our problems will just disappear? I thought TJJ was using hyperbole when he called folks "ostriches". Guess he was right on the money.

Once again, being misunderstood here... I NEVER said the problems would just go away, I said they would go back to the way they were. By "the way they were", I mean, these problems have always existed and most never hear about it. When there is nothing else to talk about (or sell magazines or give reason to tune into ESPN) anything will be discussed and "character" seems to be the "soup of the day", so to speak. I'm merely suggesting that when this stops being discussed, people will go back to talking about what really matters and that is what happens on the field. When we are winning, does anyone think the character discussion is going to be the "hot topic" ?? I think not. This is not to diminish the problem that exists or the effect on the team, rather except the fact that it has always been there and it always will. Fans, most of the times will never know to what extent. My head isn't buried, it's just not spinning around while I enjoy sticking my panties up my ass for sh*ts and giggles...

WHODEY !!!

Don't you think ignoring the problems and closing our eyes to what these guys do is only going to exacerbate it? I mean what more could bad character guys want than an audience of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" people? If anything, putting all their behaviors out on the table like this, may help to turn them around, and it shows kids out there how truly assclownish their behaviors are. Army you don't believe there is anything we can do to correct how these guys act, but believe it or not what we are doing right now does make a difference. Discussing this on here in front of some of the younger people on this board and even some of the older people on this board brings to light some of the morals of society. Sadly though, some people on this board close their eyes to these problems because the Bengals made the play-offs last year. Well this is this year and they haven't won (nor lost) a game yet since these problems have arisen. So to say these problems won't hurt the team and blast every journalist with an opinion puts you in the same boat as them.

Fact is these problems are bad for the team, whether we know yet how bad they will affect them when the season starts or not. Let's not take the stance that we just ignore them because they happen, and set a bad example for future generations. Do you leave your doors unlocked at night just because burglaries happen? Do you just leave the keys in your car because cars get stolen? I doubt it because I don't think you are that dumb. So let's not ignore the fact we have asshats in our community playing for the Bengals.

ONCE AGAIN, I never said these problems won't hurt the team !!! (See bold underlined area above) I said the following...

This is not to diminish the problem that exists or the effect on the team.

How do you get that I said that these problems won't hurt the team ?? I also never said that by ignoring the problem, that it would go away. I said the following...

Except the fact that it has always been there and it always will.

Saying it will always by there is far from saying it would go away correct ?? I also don't disagree with the fact that it's a positive thing to discuss, I said that people take it to d*mn far. If there is a problem, address it and move the f*ck on. To continue to harp on something, that you have no direct solution to gets very VERY redundant. Like I said, if after all your complaining and offered valid reasons of discontent are still ignored, please feel free to not buy anymore tickets and turn in your jersey. That is ALSO something that can be done to show your displeasure with the organization. My only argument to doing that is there will be someone to come right in behind you and pick up where you left off regardless. ONCE AGAIN, this does not make it right, it's just the way it is. I'm asking again for people to stop justifying their argument by saying I said something I didn't. Hell, better than half the time I agree with everything being said, just disagree with how it's being handled. Have a good one !!!

WHODEY !!!