TJJackson Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 worstdraftever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 worstdrafteverhystericalpostercontinuesNo matter how many times you post it, it will remain a hysterical reaction. This is the team that used a first round draft pick on David Klingler, Akili Smith and Big Fatty Wilkinson. They would've had to draft Nicholsen in the first to even be competitive with that track record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 worstdrafteversillylittleman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 laughingaty'all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 laughingaty'allWhen you find yourself laughing at the world, chances are the joke's on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 This is about the worst draft ever...in the context of where the bengals are, where they came from, current expectations and potential. I'm just not sure how it could have been worse.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 laughingaty'allChicken Littleon asoapbox This is about the worst draft ever...in the context of where the bengals are, where they came from, current expectations and potential. I'm just not sure how it could have been worse.... One year from now Joseph, Whitworth, and perhaps even Rucker will be valuable starters playing critical positions. Worst draft ever? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I don't understand the whole "worst draft ever" either. Joseph fills a huge need for the team and Whitworth is a freakin house who will get more reps sooner rather than later. You want worse ever, go back 10 or so years and take a look at some of those beauties !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 This is about the worst draft ever...in the context of where the bengals are, where they came from, current expectations and potential. I'm just not sure how it could have been worse....Not to beat a dead horse, we may just have to agree to disagree here. If what you are saying is that the Bengals are a good team now so they have to draft better, doesn't that actually work the other way. Bad teams have to draft better, good teams by necessity have to rely less on the draft because they're drafting lower. In fact, that may be part of what your problem is with Marvin's apparent strategy. In order to pick up somebody in the 3rd or lower who is actually going to stick on a strong roster, let alone be a starter, you have to take big chances. If you draft a "safe" player that is, essentially, suited to the position and round, he's not likely to make the team. What good does that do you? OTOH, if you take a high risk-high reward player and he craps out, you are basically in the same spot as having taken the safe player who doesn't make the team. If you're saying there were "safe" players who would definitely have made this team available in the third round (or in the case of Nicholson the 5th), I don't believe you. It's not that those players aren't available there (Madieu for example), it's just that this is the same people making the decisions that picked him. If you're telling me that you know talent better than the Bengals draft camp, then this is just another one of those draft threads basically. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Personally, I don't watch much college ball, so I won't weigh in on that. But history tells us that not a lot of 3rd & lower guys are locks to make any team, so I can't really fault the strategy here. What is not really up to reasonable debate to me is the "worst draft ever" call. That only makes sense if you've only been watching the Bengals since 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 My reasons for calling this the WDE are several:1. Character....ML paid lip service about it and then picked two guys who have more than average baggage. 2. Best Player Available...this is is up for debate. Some teams draft for need, some for best player, some for want. Except for Jospeh (Need) this draft did not make any sense.3. Overreaching...starting with Joseph, who, despite climbing up the boards after the combine, was NO WHERE near the top CB's during the season. little experience....big risk...Whitworth and Rucker may end up being OK players but were SERIOUS reaches considering the talent available when they were taken.4. Poor late picks...not for need, not best players avaiable...pure "want" picks...McNeil is intriguing but who would have been happier with another DE/DT/S? Nicholson is a value pcik (talent is there) but at the cost of the character issue coming up???I see this draft as the WDE due to mis-picks and reaches cobined with not adhering to any outwardly obvious sign of taking the best player, or for a need. Now, there have been some real doozy drafts, but take a close look95...can't fault them for taking Carter..he got hurt. Tuten Shade and Dunn contirbuted96...Big Willie...rest is average97...Reinard was a bust but Dillon was excellent...98...Excellent day 1 picks99...Smith was a bust...stupid draft year00...Warrick, Roman and Dugans all started...just never got better.01...arguable the second best draft in modern bengals history...02...similar to 96...nets All-pro level Tackle.03...the best draft in recent memeory by any team04...wheeled and dealed to stock the picks, lots of talent and value05...another good draft..character an issue with henry but above average overall06...WDE.heck, even 91 with Klingler, they still netted Williams and Pickens who contributed...06 is a mis-fire, a dud, a still-born, a miscarriage, a stinker, a loaded diaper, a pothole, a stumble....what a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I could sit here and say all day that the 2006 Draft was the very best the Bengals have ever had, and that statement would have as much substance as it's opposite. Let the players prove their worth or lack there-of on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I could sit here and say all day that the 2006 Draft was the very best the Bengals have ever had, and that statement would have as much substance as it's opposite. Let the players prove their worth or lack there-of on the field.Exactly. The worst you can say about this draft is that it was too risky. The best you can say is that we have several players that will make an impact an meet immediate needs. Anything more or less is an overreaction. Check back in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Ditto,Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 The fact that Spain agrees with y'all brings me some satisfaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 I disagreed with some of the draft, but worst draft ever is just laughable. You'd figure after all our momumentous busts of the 90s, WDE would be a long shot.Haters And Blain, please get rid of the pic of MJ, i get freaked out just opening this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 I would not say this is the worst draft class, but I will say it was the riskiest, I saw the OTL story and couldn't believe that after all that was out about him that the Bengals still took him...If this happened 1 time you give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but 3x this guy is/has a problem...the highlights they showed of him were pretty impressive for what he did on the field, as well as all the other problem childs we have on the team, but what happens off the field has to account for something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Haters Ditto,Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 worstdrafteverMeh aslong as our 1st,2nd,4th rounder work out I'm happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 ...calling it the riskiest makes it also the worst. This team has arrived...The plan is just fix the D, get some consistency and pop off some Super Bowls....not, draft a bunch of risky riff-raff and hope they don't implode...this is what makes it the WDE...on the verge and they yank the wheel into a pole...Why take the character risk players?? Why take guys who are inexperienced or reaches for their position?? Why take players who don;t address a need or have to change position??rant is over... sorry to drag it out...BTW...WDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 KW i would agree about character issues and would not have drafted some of these player, CHenry I probably would have still drafted, I think all he did was give fans the finger, i do that all the time when I'm driving, but the rape allegations would have raised a RED flag...to me a rapist is like a child molestor, there is no reforming...but we still have a 1st rd pick who has no issues as well as a 2nd, 4th...so that's why I don't think it is the worst draft ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 There is just no way this can be considered the worst draft ever when you having nothing to base it on. The guys haven't even had the chance to get on the field. How about we all just reserve judgement until later. Give the guys a freaking break already. I don't like what's going on with them anymore than some of you, but saying WDE is like saying a particular car is the worst car ever before anyone gets a chance to drive it. Relax people... You want something to worry about ?? Worry about if Carson is going to ready week one, there's something to be concerned about. Not if some 3rd or 5th rounder is going to the pro bowl someday...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 We do have somehting to base it on, in fact several things...if you would read my posts you would see my opinion as presented.This is something to worry about...the obvious leanring disability of the staff who decided to make some of these picks. here's one for you: Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...I must work in the Bengals front office.Character, college production, college experience, health, college program, aptitude, potential, team need, team want, value....in that order. Go through and hold that criteria to our picks and roll that against who else could have been taken in those sopts.As I'm sure you would all agree, I've spouted enough... you are correct....they are Bengals now, let's give them a break and see how they pan out......................WDE...ok that's the last time....I feel better now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 310 Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 PFT IS MENTIONED HEREIN. By reading past this line you explicitly agree that PFT will occasionally get their story straight and that perhaps, just perhaps, Marvin screwed up on Rucker.Their website this evening says that the Bengals actually DECLINED the opportunity to review information from an attorney/investigator regarding allegations of rape and gross sexual misconduct and mistreatment of this particular woman by Rucker. Why in the hell would a team who was going to blow a 3rd round pick on the guy not want to at least read and conduct its own investigation into the allegations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 wait....wait.......WDEOK, I said one last time ....err.....last that is until another 2006 Bengal draftee ends up in hot water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 PFT IS MENTIONED HEREIN. By reading past this line you explicitly agree that PFT will occasionally get their story straight and that perhaps, just perhaps, Marvin screwed up on Rucker.Their website this evening says that the Bengals actually DECLINED the opportunity to review information from an attorney/investigator regarding allegations of rape and gross sexual misconduct and mistreatment of this particular woman by Rucker. Why in the hell would a team who was going to blow a 3rd round pick on the guy not want to at least read and conduct its own investigation into the allegations?That was actually the biggest problem with the ESPN special. If you work in the Bengals front office, and some random investigator wants to bring you information... well, who the hell is he? He might be some UCLA fan who never wants to see a USC player get drafted again. The Bengals, and every other NFL team, have their own means of getting information, and it tends to be pretty accurate, so to fault the Bengals for sending a random private dick packing is just stupid.You've heard me say it before... Frostee was a risky pick, but he does address a need. One that a lot of people wanted addressed in the 1st round, so they took the best DE available, who happened to drop because of the character issues. If it doesn't work out, well, that is why it was a risk. However, if it does work out, the Bengals managed to address a big need in the 3rd round with a talented player who could have been taken earlier.We can all argue the pro's and con's of this strategy in drafting, but when it comes down to it, Marvin is probably hoping that the quality veterans in our locker-room can help turn some of these kids around. It didn't work with Henry because WR's are loners by nature, and he's plainly a bigger dumbass than any of us predicted. But with Rucker, we just don't know yet. We could have taken a much safer pick there, but to address the DE need, we would have been taking a player who most likely would make no impact, and might not have made the team at all. That is a bigger waste of a pick than taking a guy you will try to reform.None of this is a defense of Rucker. I don't know the guy, and if the accusations are true, he's a dickhead. But I'm tired of this Worst Draft Ever crap because of a 3rd and 5th round pick. Joseph and Whitworth should both be really good. Were any of you even Bengals fans in the 90's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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