ArmyBengal Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 I don't think it has anything to do with the fact she doesn't deserve some type of compensation (If it actually happened), but it's the timing of the thing. Why wait an entire year to address this if you are so overwhelmingly distressed by it. If it has to do with the draft, then she's f*cking stupid as well, because he hasn't been signed to a contract yet. WHODEY !!!Hey nobody is saying she isnt stupid.. she may not be Mrs Cleaver either but that doesnt give him the right to put his hands on here which apparently he must have done..Maybe her lawyer is going after some big bucks now and maybe just maybe ( though i doubt it) ole frostee will keep his hands off the opposite sex when he goes off the deep end.Personally I think the guy is a loose nut... I never once stated that it gave him the right to put his hands on her (if it actually happened) which you seem to be sold on. I don't know the guy from Adam, do you ?? I'll let the system work this out. Yes, I agree with you about him being a loose nut, though I prefer the term "F*ckstick" !!!WHODEY !!! Quote
walshfan Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 I don't think it has anything to do with the fact she doesn't deserve some type of compensation (If it actually happened), but it's the timing of the thing. Why wait an entire year to address this if you are so overwhelmingly distressed by it. If it has to do with the draft, then she's f*cking stupid as well, because he hasn't been signed to a contract yet. WHODEY !!!Hey nobody is saying she isnt stupid.. she may not be Mrs Cleaver either but that doesnt give him the right to put his hands on here which apparently he must have done..Maybe her lawyer is going after some big bucks now and maybe just maybe ( though i doubt it) ole frostee will keep his hands off the opposite sex when he goes off the deep end.Personally I think the guy is a loose nut... I never once stated that it gave him the right to put his hands on her (if it actually happened) which you seem to be sold on. I don't know the guy from Adam, do you ?? I'll let the system work this out. Yes, I agree with you about him being a loose nut, though I prefer the term "F*ckstick" !!!WHODEY !!!No I dont know the guy but I do know he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge when he was charged with sexual battery while at Colorado St... He quickly left Colorado for greener pastures by way of California ..Now another incident with battery... on a woman..Is their a pattern here.ya think maybe the guy either A. has no respect for a woman or B. he cant conrtol himself when angered by the opposite sex?????? Quote
ArmyBengal Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 I don't think it has anything to do with the fact she doesn't deserve some type of compensation (If it actually happened), but it's the timing of the thing. Why wait an entire year to address this if you are so overwhelmingly distressed by it. If it has to do with the draft, then she's f*cking stupid as well, because he hasn't been signed to a contract yet. WHODEY !!!Hey nobody is saying she isnt stupid.. she may not be Mrs Cleaver either but that doesnt give him the right to put his hands on here which apparently he must have done..Maybe her lawyer is going after some big bucks now and maybe just maybe ( though i doubt it) ole frostee will keep his hands off the opposite sex when he goes off the deep end.Personally I think the guy is a loose nut... I never once stated that it gave him the right to put his hands on her (if it actually happened) which you seem to be sold on. I don't know the guy from Adam, do you ?? I'll let the system work this out. Yes, I agree with you about him being a loose nut, though I prefer the term "F*ckstick" !!!WHODEY !!!No I dont know the guy but I do know he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge when he was charged with sexual battery while at Colorado St... He quickly left Colorado for greener pastures by way of California ..Now another incident with battery... on a woman..Is their a pattern here.ya think maybe the guy either A. has no respect for a woman or B. he cant conrtol himself when angered by the opposite sex?????? Absolutely !!! The courts will figure it out and even if nothing happens to him, he's still an idiot. I'm just not going to make the comment that he's guilty regardless of past until he has his day in court or settles.WHODEY !!! Quote
walshfan Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 bottom line is I think we all would prefer to talk about Football again.this is starting to become court.com and I for one am just plain tired of it all... Quote
kingwilly Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 The staff at PBS <worstdraftever> has to be feeling pretty stupid at this point. All of their "gambles" have detonated...what a debacle. I still think the whole <worstdraftever> rant is pretty goofy, but I've got to give you props for predicting the character issue would bite 'em. Damn, I can't wait for an actual football game to be played. Amen, brother, Amen....NHL is over, NBA is over, Lefty botches the Open, all we have is some mini-camp pictures, arrest reports and World Cup Soccer...we are officially in sports purgatory. Just make sure you wear a helmet. Quote
PMThor Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 Yeah I agree with Walsh. First thing we must not do is blame the woman in this situation. It smacks of the complaints Pitt fans have been making about the old lady.We do not know exactly what happened. Let's just let the legal system run its course, then take what may come. It is quite disturbing to hear that the Bengals now lead the league in arrests. One stat I would rather not have.... Quote
buck3y3d Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 He was charged in criminal court, so unless the "whore" files a civil case she will not recieve any money. Therefore, she is not money hungry, and the timing has everything to do with the DA's office investigating and finding evidence. Please do not blame the woman in this situation. Frosty was known to have big problems prior to ever being drafted. Soon the Bengals can field their own team in prison. Quote
HairOnFire Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 The Bengals *did* know about this before the draft. It was publically reported. And if they listened to his version of events, they're idiots. His lawyer is the only one who has to do that. I hadn't seen anything that confirmed they knew about the incident, but I figured it was a good bet. In regards to whether they're idiots or not, has anyone considered the idea that they may feel Rucker is indeed guilty but the punishment handed down is likely to be so small that it won't impact his career? I'm just saying.... Quote
Dadraftnick Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 I told you guys that Rucker was taken off of most teams boards because of this and you wouldn't listen he is a thug..Worse than being a thug is the fact that he cant play if he could he might worth a little of trouble.The Bengals are going to have to get rid of Nicholson,Rucker,and Henry before the season starts if they dont they will just be playing these guys to sit in prison. Quote
BengalByTheBay Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 The Bengals *did* know about this before the draft. It was publically reported. And if they listened to his version of events, they're idiots. His lawyer is the only one who has to do that. I hadn't seen anything that confirmed they knew about the incident, but I figured it was a good bet. In regards to whether they're idiots or not, has anyone considered the idea that they may feel Rucker is indeed guilty but the punishment handed down is likely to be so small that it won't impact his career? I'm just saying....BINGO! Corey Dillon did this while he was a Bengal. How many games did he miss as a result? 0. How many other domestic violence arrests are made every year of pro athletes? It's a rhetorical question, but I bet it's also a big number. The punishment for this will be slight. That does not mean he didn't do it or that he doesn't have a real problem with he handles relationships with women. Based on the repeat episode, I'd say that's a good bet at this point. I, for one, would hope that the Bengals coaching staff has a reasonable belief that they can handle Frostee's problems in this regard a whole lot better than they have kept Henry in check. I don't blame any fan who is concerned that they don't. But, unless something else happens, I would not look for this to be in the same realm as Sir Henry in terms of team impact. Quote
Dadraftnick Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 Rucker, Henry, and Nicholson draft picks go to one guy MIKE BROWN !!!!!The Bengals have the smallest scouting staff in the NFL, they dont have enough staff to investigate these guys well enough.The thing that I have trying to tell you guys is that the rest of the league did and at the very least these guys shold have been drafted in the 6 to 7th round so at least you would not have wasted so much money and such high draft choices on them. Quote
BengalByTheBay Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 I told you guys that Rucker was taken off of most teams boards because of this and you wouldn't listen he is a thug..Worse than being a thug is the fact that he cant play if he could he might worth a little of trouble.The Bengals are going to have to get rid of Nicholson,Rucker,and Henry before the season starts if they dont they will just be playing these guys to sit in prison.Nah. I don't look for Nicholson or Rucker to do any jail time. Henry probably won't either--but he will be suspended for multiple games. That doesn't mean these guys are altar boys or anything.Rucker, Henry, and Nicholson draft picks go to one guy MIKE BROWN !!!!!The Bengals have the smallest scouting staff in the NFL, they dont have enough staff to investigate these guys well enough.The thing that I have trying to tell you guys is that the rest of the league did and at the very least these guys shold have been drafted in the 6 to 7th round so at least you would not have wasted so much money and such high draft choices on them.Well if you're saying they should've been taken lower you're implying that it was okay to take the chance, just that the price was too high. That's an argument of degree and isn't consistent with your claim that they will be in prison and not playing football. I have no idea where other teams may have drafted them. I do know that if your sole source of information regarding where that would've been is PFT then the Bengal's opinion was at least as valuable as yours. Randy Moss has been arrested several times and ain't nobody claiming that he was drafted too high. In football terms, the question is not whether they're good guys that you want to have over for dinner, but whether their actions are going to help, or hurt, the team. As for Henry -- the jury is soon to be in on that one. As to the other 2 it's too early to say. You've made your call -- good for you. Now we'll see. Quote
ChadJohnson-85 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 RUCKER CHARGED: Rookie defensive end Frostee Rucker became the third Bengal charged with a crime this month when the Los Angeles City attorney's office filed two counts of spousal battery and two counts of vandalism, ESPN has reported. The misdemeanor charges stem from an incident 10 months ago in Rucker’s apartment and ESPN said spousal battery includes parties who have dated. There is no warrant for Rucker's arrest and one will only be issued if he misses his July 13 arraignment, and the complaining witness has requested confidentiality, ESPN said. The Bengals took heat for taking Rucker in the third round back in April. A published report said Rucker pled guilty to a reduced charge of harassment and was given a one-year deferred sentence, spurring his transfer from Colorado State to USC. http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5308 Quote
Dadraftnick Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 My source of info is about 30 different things including web sites ,draft guides, and word of mouth all from before the draft.A friend of mine and ex boss has a brother that coaches for a major NCAA team and another friend is a coach at a major NCAA team , so you hear thing on guys.Coaches often know more about how bad the other teams players character is than they do their own.Just like Randy Moss I live in near Huntington WV (only I live on the good side of the river-OH) and you have no idea of the things he got by with and out of that nobody ever heard of .Just like Moss was a real thug and susposedly beat up a guy and paralyzed him and the way he got out of it is he made a deal that when he made money in the pros that he would take care of the guy financaily.Moss lied and did not take care of the guy and the guy had to take him to court and Moss' victim got screwed because the case was too old.And Moss didnt cough up a buck Quote
Walrus Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 When will it all end? At what point do you hold a coach/staff/organization responsible when their guys are constantly getting into trouble? This has passed ridiculous and is now moving on past absurd. One incident is not a huge deal, but as things pile up, there's no way they doesn't have an effect on the team and the fans. I know there are still a lot of good guys on the team and I appreciate the positive things Marvin and others do in our community, but this other stuff has got to go. Quote
cover2 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 So given recent events and possible loss of investment and just bad PR...might it not be a good time to do something about the smallest scouting Dept. in the league.....please don't tell me its been fine up to this point. Lets get real! This is inexcuseable and mistakens were made, now what? Who in the hell is advising who? The 2006 Draft is blowing up before us! Quote
Spor_tees Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 I hear they are making a "The Longest Yard 2"...there should be enough Bengal's players in prison by then to star on that team. Quote
ChadJohnson-85 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 This is from NFL.com ~~~~~~> http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CIN/9519934 Quote
TJJackson Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 I don't hold the organization responsible for the player's actions, per seI hold them responsible for picking players who had OBVIOUS and SERIOUS character issues that were clearly visible to anyone. Said another way, Nicholson and Rucker should not ever have been picked, both on character and talent (lack thereof) issues. Henry at least has talent, despite his obvious inability to responsibly manage his off-the-field time.The size of the scouting staff is irrelevant in these three cases - I knew of the problems and I am neither a full time NFL scout nor do I employ a scouting department. Minimal checking on my part prior to the draft revealed the problems to me. Quote
HoTbOy Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 Whoever runs the casino should let us be able to bet on which Bengals player will get arrested next...like JC said it's not getting ridiculous, this is/or has gotten ridiculous... Quote
schweinhart Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 If these charges do end up in a conviction, will Rucker have to go to Colorado to face a probation violation and perhaps have part of his suspended sentence there revoked? It's not good for Rucker either way. Nor do the Bengals look real bright for drafting him if they knew anything about possible charges of this type.All told, though, it probably matters very little, maybe even less than with Nicholson. Frostee had a lot to prove to begin with as a 7th round/free agent prospect by league services:http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/rucker_frosteeThey could always not sign him then draft him next year in the 7th with the Ragone pick if he makes the Rams. Probably could've done that this year with the comp pick for Walter. Quote
ShulaSteakhouse Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 I'm pretty sure the Bengals' knew about this before drafting him and checked it out - at least I would hope so.This happened last August and was probably the source of the "character issues" behind Frostee.If you'll recall, Dillon did the same thing while he was a Bengal, and he turned out okay.What will really piss everyone off is if he has to miss time this season because of it - or ends up in jail. Hopefully it's settled out of court or thrown out...isn't there a freakin' statute of limitations on these things? And yes like everyone else I've had enough of bringing in these idiots. This city/team doesn't need anymore criminals. Quote
Jet23 Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 How do we know these guys aren't worth the risk. If they play a big part in Cincy winning a Super Bowl ML will be the man for taking the risk. We are only seeing one side of it, which is the bad pub. Let's see how the rookies perform on the field, before we judge the draft. This isn't flipping High School people. If the Bengals didn't have a good squad, nobody would even care. So some half-wit that writes for a rag is calling us names. Big damn deal! If we can ride a couple of felons to a Super Bowl victory, I say have at it! Quote
TJJackson Posted June 23, 2006 Report Posted June 23, 2006 Let's see how the rookies perform on the field, before we judge the draft. If we can ride a couple of felons to a Super Bowl victory, I say have at it!Uh, let me lay it out for you in terms of the potential/probable immediate future for these fellowsHow exactly do these guys impact the team while sitting in jail?Oh, yeah, there's the signing bonus money we can't recoup....and the corresponding dead cap money....and then there's the pay we have to give the substitute players......and the respective cap and budget hit of that......the time wasted giving practice reps to one year fill in players rather than out own chosen players......all this at a time when we are primed for a run at the Superbowl, and may not have more than one more shot at it......not to mention that that we lost out on drafting a different talented player who is smart enough to stay out of trouble.......Yeah, having jailed felons on the roster is a real boost to our superbowl chances! Thanks for reminding us all of this! Quote
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