Bengalbob Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I found this on Lance's blog this morning. It's a real interesting read and a very insightful look at Carson from back in 2004. Seems to fit him well, though I hope the author's predictions of good, but not great, results from Carson are less than accurate . . .http://www.braintypes.com/carson.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Great article, as if we needed another reason to love Carson. Here's a funny part of the article..."We had Carson, Boller and Leftwich all rated right there," [Ravens' coach Brian] Billick says. "We were prepared to take any of the three with the 10th pick."They each have all the tools. Each had one little flaw. Kyle's was the accuracy. Leftwich was the mobility. With Carson, it was the leadership. He's not quite as dynamic a personality as the other two."Wow, Carson may not have had the dynamic personality, but he's turned out to be quite the leader in my mind. Oh yeah, Kyle Boller still sucks monkeynuts !!! Billick is a tool !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom42 Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I found this on Lance's blog this morning. It's a real interesting read and a very insightful look at Carson from back in 2004. Seems to fit him well, though I hope the author's predictions of good, but not great, results from Carson are less than accurate . . .http://www.braintypes.com/carson.htmThis article is totally slanted. It regards inborn talent and traits to be far more important that whatever can be achieved by self-awareness, hard work, discipline, focus and sheer internal drive to excellence."You might now be thinking, what might it require for a BEAL/ISFJ to make it all the way to the NFL at QB? Good question.Some of the more prominent factors would include:--starting football and QB at an early age--being coached and mentored properly throughout the years (mentally, physically, spatially)--having good QB size, as well as speed and athleticism--having a support team around to encourage and direct--playing on a good college team with competent coaches and playersCarson Palmer had all of these proper stepping-stones, plus others."But stating all these advantages Carson has had, the good doc says these will not be enough to offset his inborn shortcomings. Baloney!How does the good doc arrive at his conclusions about Carson? By spending time interviewing him at length? No Way! "In the case of CP, JN had no such opportunity as he did with Ryan Leaf. Not working for the Bengals in the 2003 draft, JN did not have a chance to evaluate him—except for a short NFL Combine interview on video that Carson had done. After seeing it, JN was uncertain as to CP’s inborn design. As JN would say, CP was a harder “read” than normal. Since that time, JN has collected a half dozen or so taped interviews with Carson and the media, as well as watched a little college tape of Carson playing."And yet, he contradicts himself again."Another difficulty JN had in evaluating CP with limited information was that CP has done much to balance himself out as an ISFJ. This speaks very well for Carson, his parents, and the others who’ve contributed in making him such an outstanding person, and QB thus far. BTI could not be happier with the likes of Carson Palmer in being “all that he can be.” He’s not only a model for others sharing his same BT, but for all of us who haven’t yet attempted or achieved our potential."And finally, the good doc invalidates all his analysis by saying, "May Carson Palmer become the Jim Courier of tennis, a less than optimal BT for his sport or position within his sport (innately mentally, physically, and spatially), and perform at the highest level."Which means 'brain type' matters less than focus, discipline, hard work, self-awareness, coachability, learning and a burning drive for excellence.Carson has all that and more. I look for a career filled with such excellence for Carson Palmer.Stuff it up your nose, you quack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I would say that Carson masked some of the inate leadership ability that Lance is referring to and to what each of the others were seeing outwardly. I bet if you would have talked to Chow or others around Carson, they would say that he had a white hot raging fire for winning and leadership, which several Bengals have referred to in comments, he just dosent show it outwardly to the rest of us.With the SI article, he surely has now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 While inherently interesting, I am always wary of "brain type" analyses. I'm not saying it's complete quackery, but it does tread on some issues that concern me as being well suited to what I would consider discriminatory arguments. I'm not trying to turn this thread - the article is indeed interesting - into any kind of rant. I just always get a little defensive when people claim they can tell very much about you by looking at some "objective" information about your brain or body type. It leaves out the most important aspects of your being -- what you do to make yourself better or worse -- pretty much out of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I would say that Carson masked some of the inate leadership ability that Lance is referring to and to what each of the others were seeing outwardly. I bet if you would have talked to Chow or others around Carson, they would say that he had a white hot raging fire for winning and leadership, which several Bengals have referred to in comments, he just dosent show it outwardly to the rest of us.With the SI article, he surely has now!Exactly. You don't have to scream at everyone to be a leader. Carson's a no-nonsense, intense competitor, who leads by example and gains his teammates' trust. He doesn't have to yell and scream, but we've seen him have some intense talks with people on the sideline when really needed. To me, that's the perfect demeanor for a QB.Aikman didn't scream all the time either.Oh, and any draft board that had Boller and Carson in the same round has to be questioned. That's Billick - I really like having him in our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Are we really going through this again ...It was bad enough suffering through this total nonsense two years ago.Braintypes09-06-2004, 10:47 AMIf you guys thought Ryan Leaf was a bust, wait until you see how Carson Palmer flops. The only difference will be how Carson handles the failure. he will be a gentleman about it. Carson is an ISFJ, a rarity not only in sports but in society as well. His main problems will be his extreme tunnel vision under pressure, locking on a receiver, and also his throwing mechanics will suffer greatly while under pressure. Although Carson was impressive in college, it is an entirely different game in the NFL.Who wants to listen to this crap again ?They couldn't be more wrong about Palmer if they freaking tried to.Carson Palmer: Another Manning, or Leaf?Palmer is already the closest thing in the league to another Peyton Manning and he may actually be better under pressure than Peyton is.Carson has proven that he is in fact the real deal ...Who the heck cares what this snake-oil-salesman has to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalbob Posted May 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 It leaves out the most important aspects of your being -- what you do to make yourself better or worse -- pretty much out of the equation.Touche. I couldn't agree more. Too often our society puts too much emphasis on genetic predisposition or environmental issues as determining factors in "success" and undervalues the responsibility we all have to make something of ourselves despite those "obsticles".In this case I believe that Carson has clearly risen above any "limitations" his "brain type" may be giving him. Good for Carson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Agreed also Bob. I also think they're over-analyzing the crap out of this and are basically saying someone like Carson "is too quiet and introverted to be a fiery leader in the NFL at the QB position."I really value level-headed people in leadership positions, THAT is the most important trait to me - all NFL QB's have it - Carson played in the national spotlight for at least 3 years for a major program and excelled.That alone tells me he can take it to the next level and handle it just fine, ecspecially in a conservative, hands-off town like Cincy that lets it's athletes live in relative anonymity if they choose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 In this case I believe that Carson has clearly risen above any "limitations" his "brain type" may be giving him. Good for Carson.I hate to even see the word "limitations" used. Carson simply has a different personality than the prototypical QB/leader. Doesn't mean the job was any harder for him. That's the missing element in all this analysis --- what job on the planet is only suited for one type of personality? Just because that quiet guy on the other side of the room hasn't demanded your complete and undivided attention, doesn't mean he doesn't have his s**t completely worked out. And sometimes the impact is that much greater when you don't see it coming. Nobody questions the confidence Carson's teammates have in him. Everybody knows it was earned properly. And genuinely.You can't always say that about other QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I remember when this guy was on Mike & Mike a couple years ago talking about Palmer. Firstly, he admited that he didn't really know Palmer, so he couldn't be sure about his conclusions. Also, he didn't know what to expect out of Palmer, because he couldn't find a single other NFL QB in history that had the brain type he concluded Palmer had.Let's assume that this guy was right, and Palmer truly is completely unique from any and every other NFL QB brain type in history. It seems to me that his brain type allows him to be every bit as competitive as any other QB, and while not as fiery as a John Elway, he has great leadership skills, and has ice water running through his veins. Frankly, I didn't spend much time worrying about this guy's opinion then... and I certainly am more concerned about Carson's knee than his brain right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I think we have seen the emergence of CP's competitive side, he shows that he has all the leadership ability that is needed everytime he speaks.He is not arrogant and he still knows he can do what it takes to win any game. He compares well with the great QB's I have seen: Montana, Anderson, Marino all these QB's were very calm under fire and they all knew that they could lead a team to victory if needed. Two other great QB's come to mind that had success but always seemed to take to many risks (to arrogant) Favre and Elway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Are we really going through this again ...It was bad enough suffering through this total nonsense two years ago.Amen. The article was complete bulls**t then and it remains complete bulls**t today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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