Is Geathers the worst DE in the NFL ?

[Dadraftnick]

I was just trying to think of any DE that starts in the NFL worse than Gathers and I cant think of any.

Can any of you?It is not that hard to be as bad but worse?

While he may be serviceable against the run there are no starting DE's worse at rushing the passer than Gathers.

I doubt he could start for any team other than the Bengals.

I am not even sure he could another teams roster, maybe he could be a teams back up 1st down DE, maybe.

[Stripes]

In response to the question posed in the thread title.... No.

Geathers did struggle in his 2nd season, but we all have seen what he can do when he is on his game. Give him time. I do hate it when they put him at DT on passing downs though.

[Dadraftnick]

I think its time to get Pollack back at the DE position where he was All American 3years in a row.

With the Frostee pick it looks like the Bengals are going to have NO pass rush again this year without moving Pollack they have plenty of good LB's on the roster and Pollack's place.

At the begining of the season there will be plenty of good LB's cut that will come fairly cheep.

It has been over 15 years since the Bengals had a DE that could get to the QB.

You would have to go back to Jim Skow in the 80's

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Dadraftdick, please pay attention to the game. The reason Geathers was less productive this past year was quite simple. On passing downs they moved him INSIDE TO DEFENSIVE TACKLE. He was learning a new position in his first year as a starter.

Geathers CAN and has gotten to the QB. Assuming the Bengals can find defensive tackles to do anything in the middle, he will move back outside and get to the QB.

As for Pollack moving back to DE, get a clue. They didn't move him to make him worse.

As for Frostee not getting to the QB, watch and see.

[Stripes]

Pollack is a linebacker, and will be a linebacker. There's a reason they moved him away from DE in the first place. If you put him there and leave him there, I think he'd struggle far more than Geathers has. Pollack really started to come on near the end of his rookie season, and I think he will provide an excellent boost to the pass rush this season as a rushing LB.

Geathers will do for now at DE, and maybe Frostee will surprise us more than Marvin did by picking him. Throw Henderson in that mix as well, and there should be some fine competition going into training camp.

I think Justin Smith would get replaced before Geathers (not that I'd be in favor of such an action).

[AGrizzlyBaer]

and the fact geathers is 22 going to be 23 in august with 2 years of playing experiance, thats younger then some players taken in this draft. as for pollack moving, its not gonna happen he isa lb now

[Jet23]

I don't get the Geathers at DT thing at all. Yes, he is young, but he is getting swallowed up in the middle. The best way to use him is as a situational pass rusher.

[BlainThePain]

I don't think you can fault Geathers about last year because he is an edge rusher that had to go inside on passing downs. Besides that, I think I remember seeing something about his weight being down to 260 so he is probably a permenent end now.

[Bobcat Bengal]

You fickle, fair-weathered ass muthaf**ker.

Who needs fans like you.

Geathers made great plays in the limited opportunities he got his rookie season.

Dude is like 21, if that.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Geathers is 22 and being used improperly and wears himself out as a 3-down lineman, he's also not disciplined, much like his teammate and alum buddy Odell.

I distinctly remember the Pitt loss at home where they faked him out of his jock in the backfield at the goaline - made a play up just for him, literally (saw it on an NFL show where they highlighted it). They knew he'd bite and he did.

Example (again along with Odell who does the same things and teams design plays to take advantage of his over-pursuit) of why his problems are correctable.

He did some good things at times last year - he also got into the backfield.

You have to give him time - he was what, a 4th rounder? And came out of school too early.

[Dadraftnick]

Dadraftdick, please pay attention to the game. The reason Geathers was less productive this past year was quite simple. On passing downs they moved him INSIDE TO DEFENSIVE TACKLE. He was learning a new position in his first year as a starter.

Geathers CAN and has gotten to the QB. Assuming the Bengals can find defensive tackles to do anything in the middle, he will move back outside and get to the QB.

As for Pollack moving back to DE, get a clue. They didn't move him to make him worse.

As for Frostee not getting to the QB, watch and see.

NBT please pay attention TEAMS PASS ON 1ST DOWN AND 2ND DOWN where he was playing DE as well as on 3rd down where he was DT.

It is also possiable to get sacks from the DT position I would agree it is harder.

When Gathers was at Georgia he had ==0-- Zilch sacks

Gathers may be learning to rush the passer from the DT spot. But he has played DE for over 3 years

Fanane played both spots and looked good in the chances he had and has less experience.

As for moving Pollack to DE , One of the guys that write the articles for this site has called for Pollack moving to back to DE and by the way the reason Gathers was moved to DT is so Pollack can Rush the passer --Because Pollack CAN rush the passer.

I dont understand how it would be a problem for Pollack to move back to move to DE where he was All American for 3 years and I recall when they drafted him they said that Georgia had pretty much the same Defense.

The bottom, line I bet if the Bengals offered Pollack for a 7th round pick tommorow no team would bite,

As far as Frostee I hope you are right I PRAY YOUR RIGHT but I think Frostee will find it a little harder to get past the OT's in the NFL than what he is used to.

I am not impressed with 6 sacks against inferior competition.I am also not impressed with the sexual assualt allegatons or the fact he was rated the 15th best DE (5th round)

99% of the time a team is lucky to get out of a guy the number of sacksfor a season in the pros that he had in his in the NCAA.

I just wish the Bengals would draft someone that has been productive (someone with some sacks)at DE and spend the same kind of effort and draft choices they have spent on WR's and LB's

You would think they would after a sack cost them the chance to play in the Supper Bowl and gave the Steelers a supper bowl.

[schweinhart]

Jumpy will be fine if he keeps his weight down and switches back to LDE to go up against right tackles like he did his rookie year. He might make a better case weighing less to go against left tackles but I wouldn't be surpised if Justin switches back to RDE against LTs, which actually happened some last year. Pollack is the best pass rusher of the 3 and will hopefully continue to be used rushing off end in passing situations where he is most effective.

But they still don't have the pass rushing DE against LTs that's going to truly disrupt a QB, regardless of Frostee Rucker. Best they can hope for is more rush up the middle by DTs to help collapse the pocket, which should improve from last year, and coverage sacks, which should get a boost with a healthy Madieu.

[BlainThePain]

Dadraftdick, please pay attention to the game. The reason Geathers was less productive this past year was quite simple. On passing downs they moved him INSIDE TO DEFENSIVE TACKLE. He was learning a new position in his first year as a starter.

Geathers CAN and has gotten to the QB. Assuming the Bengals can find defensive tackles to do anything in the middle, he will move back outside and get to the QB.

As for Pollack moving back to DE, get a clue. They didn't move him to make him worse.

As for Frostee not getting to the QB, watch and see.

NBT please pay attention TEAMS PASS ON 1ST DOWN AND 2ND DOWN where he was playing DE as well as on 3rd down where he was DT.

It is also possiable to get sacks from the DT position I would agree it is harder.

When Gathers was at Georgia he had ==0-- Zilch sacks

Gathers may be learning to rush the passer from the DT spot. But he has played DE for over 3 years

Fanane played both spots and looked good in the chances he had and has less experience.

As for moving Pollack to DE , One of the guys that write the articles for this site has called for Pollack moving to back to DE and by the way the reason Gathers was moved to DT is so Pollack can Rush the passer --Because Pollack CAN rush the passer.

I dont understand how it would be a problem for Pollack to move back to move to DE where he was All American for 3 years and I recall when they drafted him they said that Georgia had pretty much the same Defense.

The bottom, line I bet if the Bengals offered Pollack for a 7th round pick tommorow no team would bite,

As far as Frostee I hope you are right I PRAY YOUR RIGHT but I think Frostee will find it a little harder to get past the OT's in the NFL than what he is used to.

I am not impressed with 6 sacks against inferior competition.I am also not impressed with the sexual assualt allegatons or the fact he was rated the 15th best DE (5th round)

99% of the time a team is lucky to get out of a guy the number of sacksfor a season in the pros that he had in his in the NCAA.

I just wish the Bengals would draft someone that has been productive (someone with some sacks)at DE and spend the same kind of effort and draft choices they have spent on WR's and LB's

You would think they would after a sack cost them the chance to play in the Supper Bowl and gave the Steelers a supper bowl.

3rd and longs are a DE's bread and butter, though. You take away passing downs from Dwight Freeney and I bet he has single digit sacks. As for Rucker, Madieu didn't put up big numbers in college either.

[Stripes]

I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, but it's "Geathers." With an E.

Also, if we offered Pollack up for a 7th rounder, then we'd have 31 teams knocking on our doors immediately.

[UofLnMU]

Depending on what you consider coming out too early, Jumpy Jr. may not have. His last year at UGA was a year that saw the SEC adjusting to Pollack, pulling his numbers way down and boosting Geathers' totals. I can't imagine his stock to have gotten much higher.

[7/11]

The bottom, line I bet if the Bengals offered Pollack for a 7th round pick tommorow no team would bite,

bold statement, dude. and by bold, i mean ridiculous.

You would think they would after a sack cost them the chance to play in the Supper Bowl and gave the Steelers a supper bowl.

or super bowl?

[kingwilly]

draftnik...you are a bit off-base on this one...Geathers is currently below-averagebut has decent upside...I attribute his struggle as a function of bad scheme and coaching as I would to his ability...

We've sen him flash on passing downs...we've seen him get beat...

I think he will continue to develop well, with bres's scheme solidifying in year 2.

...he's not the WORST DE in te NFL.....that honor goes to one-time Bengal Eric Ogbogu...who stars in the Underarmour commercials..he really is awful..

Compred tothe two otherDE's taken in r4 of 2004...he, Jared Allen and Bo Schoebel...Jared allen is clerly the most developed...Geathers and Shoebel are on about the same path....so he is not the WORST.

[Kazkal]

Rather then repeat what everyone else is telling you,i'll describe my feelings with pictures

[peteroseforpresident]

Answer: NO. Both Smith AND Geathers will be better with a better group of DT's (Sam adams, woot woot).

[Bobcat Bengal]

draf.

...he's not the WORST DE in te NFL.....that honor goes to one-time Bengal Eric Ogbogu...who stars in the Underarmour commercials..he really is awful..

Is he that Brolic dude who's always saying "We MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!" ?

[kingwilly]

One in the same, Bobcat...one in the same.

[Dadraftnick]

Its a sad day when the undrafted free agent you just signed is a better pass rusher than your starting DE or the guy you just used a 3rd rund pick for.

Its a sad day when the DT you just drafted had more sacks(8 1/2) last year than your starting DE has had in 2 years in the NFL and his whole NCAA career.

As far as that goes Peko had more sacks than Frostee's 6.

The problem is if the Bengals had any kind of sack threat that teams had to account for the Bengals D would be 10 times better.

This team has 2 pro bowl CB's and 1 future one with a secandary like the Bengals have the DE's should have 15 sacks each.

[JPW]

The bottom, line I bet if the Bengals offered Pollack for a 7th round pick tommorow no team would bite,

Your credibility went right out the window as soon as you wrote that.

That has got to be the most absurd statement that I have ever read on this board.

There isn't one team in the NFL that wouldn't like to have Pollack.

[walshfan]

Players that may have the fire lit under them this year ..

1. Geathers

2. Askew

3. Ratliff

All have something to prove this year

Geathers needed to lose weight in the offseason to regain his speed and has done that,

Ratliff was complacent last year.. He has acknowledged that

Askew has to make the effort to make the team .. he knows this

Hopefully all three upgrade their productivity this season..

[Kazkal]

Its a sad day when the undrafted free agent you just signed is a better pass rusher than your starting DE or the guy you just used a 3rd rund pick for.

Its a sad day when the DT you just drafted had more sacks(8 1/2) last year than your starting DE has had in 2 years in the NFL and his whole NCAA career.

As far as that goes Peko had more sacks than Frostee's 6.

The problem is if the Bengals had any kind of sack threat that teams had to account for the Bengals D would be 10 times better.

damn dude why the hell is marvin our coach you should be!

This team has 2 pro bowl CB's and 1 future one with a secandary like the Bengals have the DE's should have 15 sacks each.