Joey Harrington is dead to me.

[HairOnFire]

Agent David Dunn was on the Colin Cowherd (sp?) Show this morning and was supposed to give an update on where Harrington will end up, the status of Carson Palmer's rehab...including the probability he would be available at the start of the season, and answer some questions about this years draft.

Dunn began with Harrington, claiming that he believed the matter would be determined this week or on draft day. He explained further that the holdup continued to be the trade compensation being demanded by the Lions. When asked where Harrington would likely end up Dunn stated flatly that Joey would go to either Miami, Denver, or Kansas City. When asked if Harrington had a favored team, and if it was one of the three mentioned, Dunn stated that Harrington's choice was indeed one of those three.

Cincy was mentioned only when Dunn attempted to explain how competitive Harrington was, and how difficult players like Harrington and Carson Palmer find sitting behind another starter. They say the right thing, as Dunn stated Palmer did when Kitna started, but ihe stated that Palmer quietly complained to him that he could have done far better than Kitna managed, and felt he wasn't served well by trying to learn from the sidelines. According to Dunn, Palmer didn't mind sitting for the first two games of his rookie season, but felt he should have been the starter from that point on.

As for the Palmer rehab update I was hoping to hear, the interview was suddenly derailed when a series of ESPN promos began to play over the voices of Dunn and Colin. They quickly broke for commercial when it became clear that the runaway promos couldn't be stopped, but when the program returned Dunn was gone, and he didn't return.

[Who Dey Time]

I think Harrington is a dead issue. The more time that goes by without another QB being signed leads me to believe a couple things:

1) Carson will be back sooner than expected, even if we go into KC with Johnson or Krenzel.

2) The future backup QB will be selected in the draft (Whitehurst, Clemens, Jacobs).

WHO-DEY!

[TJJackson]

Yeah, if we really want him, I think we are best off waiting til he is waived, which in turn means we have to get through minicaps without him

I honestly don't think he'd be that much better for us than Jaime Martin or Anthony Wright

My fave at the moment is Wright, but Hobson doesn't even mention Wright anymore, even though I don't believe he has signed anywhere

[derekshank]

If someone has ESPN insider, they will probably be able to listen to the interview later on via the internet. Maybe such a person would be willing to give us the highlights if they hear it. I was away, so I didn't hear the interview either.

[Spor_tees]

Maybe Joey's cousin Padraig can teach him to hit golf balls and Joey can join the Pro-Am tour. That is going to be the only way Joey will ever get to play with any NFL Hall of Famer's.

I bet after a round of playing with Joey, John Elway will feel all "dirty."

[BengalByTheBay]

Classy move by an agent, claiming that CP was badmouthing Kitna "quietly" to him. What's the point of saying that? It it happened, I'm sure Palmer felt it was off-limits to repeat. This is the same agent who was saying Palmer wouldn't be ready to start the season to increase Bengal interest in Harrington. What a jerk -- although I suppose that "agent" and "jerk" are almost interchangeable at this point.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I couldn't really care less about Harrington at this point....next.

[Spor_tees]

Classy move by an agent, claiming that CP was badmouthing Kitna "quietly" to him. What's the point of saying that? It it happened, I'm sure Palmer felt it was off-limits to repeat. This is the same agent who was saying Palmer wouldn't be ready to start the season to increase Bengal interest in Harrington. What a jerk -- although I suppose that "agent" and "jerk" are almost interchangeable at this point.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I couldn't really care less about Harrington at this point....next.

Well atleast he waited til Kitna was on another team before he said Carson was bad mouthing him...I mean that makes it more classy right?

[kingwilly]

Harrington is terrible. If he ends up in Miami, KC or Minny he won't see the field...not because the starters are still hurt or go down, simply because he is terrible. Noone will give Detroit a pick since he is going to get cut....

Dunn is a retard...nice hashing out some laundry about what CP "told him". The fact that he even tries to compare Harrington to Palmer as far as their competitiveness goes is a horrible stretch.

Since we are on the subject of retards, Cowherd ranks as well. I listened to him until he wore me so thin I developed a strong hate for his pathetic, worthelss, endlessly side-tracked excuse for a sports radio show.

[derekshank]

I'm not sure if "bad-mouthing" is the right word. If I have a friend that I work with that makes more money than me because he's been there longer, when I complain to another friend that I feel I could do a better job, it is not sander. It is not even necessarily degrading the other person. It is simply my competitive nature to want to be given a chance to prove myself as competent.

I don't feel that Carson "complaining" to his agent is anything more than him claiming that he felt he could do the job... afterall, he was a heisman winning #1 overall draft pick. Those kinds of guys should be able to perform better than the Jon Kitna's of the world. Being forced to wait to take over the job is going to make any successful competitive athlete a little impatient.

I'm not trying to defend Palmer here... because I like Kitna too, and I do think it was a little shady for his agent to announce that over the air waves, but I guess I just don't see much a problem with it. Perry has probably said similar things about being able to take Rudi's job too. The statement doesn't have to be valid... but I would expect any confident professional athlete to believe they can do the job better than a guy who is doing it instead of them.

[HairOnFire]

Classy move by an agent, claiming that CP was badmouthing Kitna "quietly" to him. What's the point of saying that?

He didn't say that Palmer was badmouthing Kitna...only that Palmer felt so confident in his own abilities that he admitted to his agent that he felt he could have done better if given the chance to play. Perhaps that's a fine line between badmouthing and simply being incredibly confident, but I'll draw it. The bigger complaint that Palmer was said to have had was also swallowed, that being his desire to play almost immediately due to his feelings that there was only so much that could be learned by watching.

As for Harrington, I had kept some hope of a draft day deal bringing him to the Bengals, but that passed when Dunn didn't bother to include Cincy among the teams still said to be interested.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Harrington...competitive? Is this the guy who was reported to be near tears in team meetings because people weren't nice to him?

Please. Be very, very glad that little Jokey Harrington isn't coming anywhere near here.

[BengalByTheBay]

Classy move by an agent, claiming that CP was badmouthing Kitna "quietly" to him. What's the point of saying that?

He didn't say that Palmer was badmouthing Kitna...only that Palmer felt so confident in his own abilities that he admitted to his agent that he felt he could have done better if given the chance to play. Perhaps that's a fine line between badmouthing and simply being incredibly confident, but I'll draw it. The bigger complaint that Palmer was said to have had was also swallowed, that being his desire to play almost immediately due to his feelings that there was only so much that could be learned by watching.

As for Harrington, I had kept some hope of a draft day deal bringing him to the Bengals, but that passed when Dunn didn't bother to include Cincy among the teams still said to be interested.

"but ihe stated that Palmer quietly complained to him that he could have done far better than Kitna managed" -- That's not badmouthing??? Okay, split away. Sounds to me ("quietly complained") like something said in confidence that had no business seeing the light of day. Your version requires me to ignore the word "quietly." Knowing what we know about CP, do you think he's happy to hear it put that way now? That's my only point. What's the value of saying anything like that now? "Palmer thought he shouldn't have sat behind Kitna so somebody should pay Harrington"?? Doesn't work for me -- sounds like Dunn is desperado. Again -- very happy to see Harrington go elsewhere.

[jrandom42]

Agent David Dunn was on the Colin Cowherd (sp?) Show this morning and was supposed to give an update on where Harrington will end up, the status of Carson Palmer's rehab...including the probability he would be available at the start of the season, and answer some questions about this years draft.

Dunn began with Harrington, claiming that he believed the matter would be determined this week or on draft day. He explained further that the holdup continued to be the trade compensation being demanded by the Lions. When asked where Harrington would likely end up Dunn stated flatly that Joey would go to either Miami, Denver, or Kansas City. When asked if Harrington had a favored team, and if it was one of the three mentioned, Dunn stated that Harrington's choice was indeed one of those three.

Cincy was mentioned only when Dunn attempted to explain how competitive Harrington was, and how difficult players like Harrington and Carson Palmer find sitting behind another starter. They say the right thing, as Dunn stated Palmer did when Kitna started, but ihe stated that Palmer quietly complained to him that he could have done far better than Kitna managed, and felt he wasn't served well by trying to learn from the sidelines. According to Dunn, Palmer didn't mind sitting for the first two games of his rookie season, but felt he should have been the starter from that point on.

As for the Palmer rehab update I was hoping to hear, the interview was suddenly derailed when a series of ESPN promos began to play over the voices of Dunn and Colin. They quickly broke for commercial when it became clear that the runaway promos couldn't be stopped, but when the program returned Dunn was gone, and he didn't return.

Haven't the Bengals (and other teams) been burned enough by that smoke and mirrors coach Jeff Tedford, whose biggest pro success is Trent Dilfer? Why would the Bengals be even considering Harrington, when Tedford himself said Akili Smith was a better player?

[ArmyBengal]

I've stated before that if the Bengals organization felt Harrington was the way to go, I'd be ok with that, but I REALLY didn't want to give up a pick for a one year deal. If Harrington gets released (he will) then figure out if you still want him.

I have never been a big fan of his, but have also made the comment that if other sub-par QB's are thought to have a chance to suceed with our stellar offense, then why wouldn't Harrington have that same chance ?? I think he brings more to the table than an Anthony Wright does...

WHODEY !!!

[TJJackson]

But how much more?

More enough that we would pay a high draft pick we need for defense PLUS a bonus in June on his Detroit contract PLUS he becomes a FA next year PLUS the fact that we can sign Martin or Wright to long term contracts now?

I personally don't think his potential is enough greater (if at all) to justify the added expense

[HairOnFire]

Knowing what we know about CP, do you think he's happy to hear it put that way now? That's my only point.

Okay, I get what you're saying. Palmer says something that is for his agents ears only, and then years later the agent uses it as an example of how competitive his clients are. Knowing how Palmer refuses to openly complain about anything..."He wouldn't say s**t even if he had a mouth full of it"....Palmer might not appreciate the story being told because it could be considered as criticism of Kitna, who he considers to be a friend.

Fair enough. I hadn't considered it that way because I don't think Dunn intended to imply that much, but I can see your point.

[BengalByTheBay]

Bingo HOF. Sounds like you thought I was complaining that CP shouldn't have said anything like that. I think we get each other's point now. I think it's cool that CP felt that way and he probably did say it. I just think Dunn was supposed to keep it between them and now he trots it out as an example of why Harrington is also competitive (like his real NFL caliber client Carson Palmer). CP goes so far out of his way to never bust on anybody (even when they deserve it) that I'm sure he wouldn't like anybody to hear such off the record comments. I'm equally certain that he felt he should've been starting before he did -- at least I hope he did.

[membengal]

For the record, I am puzzled over Dunn's/Harrington's "logic" that Harrington has a better chance of seeing the field over a healthy Plummer, Trent Green, or Daunte Culpepper.

The only way to read his lack of interest in Cincy, I think, is that Dunn knows how well Palmer's rehab is going and has told Harrington he won't play in Cincy at all. Now, I don't know how that is different from Denver and KC, two teams still on his list, but I am not an agent, for whom logic sometimes flees.

[BengalByTheBay]

For the record, I am puzzled over Dunn's/Harrington's "logic" that Harrington has a better chance of seeing the field over a healthy Plummer, Trent Green, or Daunte Culpepper.

The only way to read his lack of interest in Cincy, I think, is that Dunn knows how well Palmer's rehab is going and has told Harrington he won't play in Cincy at all. Now, I don't know how that is different from Denver and KC, two teams still on his list, but I am not an agent, for whom logic sometimes flees.

I think there's been some speculation that Culpepper may be somewhat vulnerable in Miami if he is not completely healthy or if he continues to play like he did last season. Maybe there's something to that. Otherwise, I agree that I don't see really promising opportunities for Harrington in any of those places.

[Whur CHad At?]

enough about joey harrrington!