Lavar,Marvin is still intrested

[HoosierCat]

Update from kffl...

Giants | Team to visit with Arrington again

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:47:06 -0700

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports free agent LB LaVar Arrington (Redskins) will have a second visit with the New York Giants Thursday, April 20. The team is back in the Arrington chase, and this time it appears Arrington may be serious about striking a deal. Arrington has even agreed to undergo a physical, something he declined to do when he first visited the Giants March 11-12. That's an important concession for Arrington because of league-wide concerns about the health of his surgically repaired right knee. According to Kyle Harden, an associate to Arrington's agents, Arrington intends to sign with someone before the April 29 NFL Draft - possibly even in the next few days. Harden said the Giants are the only team Arrington is planning to visit before the draft. Yesterday, Harden did not give any indication that Arrington's asking price will go down. "The team that gets LaVar is getting a three-time Pro Bowler," he said. "LaVar is looking for a fair-market deal." If Arrington passes the physical, a Giants source said they would be willing to re-open negotiations if his price is reasonable.

[HairOnFire]

I'm thinking about starting a threat entitled..."Lavar Arrington is dead to me."

Seriously though, when Arrington approached the Giants several weeks ago I figured he had made his choice, and even if negotiations broke down again and again they'll eventually git 'er done.

[HoosierCat]

Yeah, the Giants always looked like the likely landing spot, assuming Ernie Accorsi was willing to pony up at least some coin. LaVar may not get paid like Peterson did but at least he will have a couple chances to get revenge vs. DC.

If Arrington has more than two brain cells to rub together, tho, he ought to poop-can Kevin and Carl. Lessee, let's give up $4 million so we can hit the FA market -- late -- in a year when there are a bunch of good LBs in the draft (Hawk, Greenway, Sims, Carpenter, Ryans, etc.), plus several guys (Kiwanuka, Hali, Wimbley, Lawson) who can do my OLB-rush-the-passer thing, too. Doh!

[wookie]

Yeah, the Giants always looked like the likely landing spot, assuming Ernie Accorsi was willing to pony up at least some coin. LaVar may not get paid like Peterson did but at least he will have a couple chances to get revenge vs. DC.

If Arrington has more than two brain cells to rub together, tho, he ought to poop-can Kevin and Carl. Lessee, let's give up $4 million so we can hit the FA market -- late -- in a year when there are a bunch of good LBs in the draft (Hawk, Greenway, Sims, Carpenter, Ryans, etc.), plus several guys (Kiwanuka, Hali, Wimbley, Lawson) who can do my OLB-rush-the-passer thing, too. Doh!

I might agree with that last part if Arrington hadn't already proven himself in the NFL...rookies no matter how impressive in college still have to prove themselves in the NFL. Not all of them can make the transition to the next level, and make the transition to a new position as well.

Arrington should, despite recent events, be considered a better option than those other guys.

Think about it, Pro Bowler vs All-American.

[HoosierCat]

Arrington should, despite recent events, be considered a better option than those other guys.

Objectively? No doubt. LaVar has indeed proven himself and that's one reason I have not been opposed to signing him. The guy can play. But there's also the almighty dollar to consider. And there's LaVar wanting $7 million a year and an eight-figure signing bonus...when you can give a Kiwanuka a shot for a couple million a year, maybe less. Whether that's a smart play or not is in the eye of the beholder but it's a big considerartion.

And that's something that, I would think, you would want an agent to advise you about before you cough up $4 million to hit the market. Now, maybe Carl and Kevin told him he was nuts and he over-ruled them...but I think it more likely they blew smoke up his butt and now he's paying the price.

[wookie]

Arrington should, despite recent events, be considered a better option than those other guys.

Objectively? No doubt. LaVar has indeed proven himself and that's one reason I have not been opposed to signing him. The guy can play. But there's also the almighty dollar to consider. And there's LaVar wanting $7 million a year and an eight-figure signing bonus...when you can give a Kiwanuka a shot for a couple million a year, maybe less. Whether that's a smart play or not is in the eye of the beholder but it's a big considerartion.

And that's something that, I would think, you would want an agent to advise you about before you cough up $4 million to hit the market. Now, maybe Carl and Kevin told him he was nuts and he over-ruled them...but I think it more likely they blew smoke up his butt and now he's paying the price.

Right, thats why I only focused on the last part of your statement. I agree that letting a client dump 4 mil to sit on the FA market looking like an over-priced prima dona who may or may not return to Pro Bowl form and who had issues with his former team that raised questions about his character does not an attractive FA make. He definitely should've had better financial and PR advice before making his move.

Also, the Peterson signing hurt him because it only served his agents' purpose, now they can add to the smoke by saying "see, you're worth at least that much too!!!"

All that aside, I'm all for putting myself in a better place emotionally seeing as how I have to face the reality that Arrington won't be lowering his price and playing in Cincy.

[BengalByTheBay]

All that aside, I'm all for putting myself in a better place emotionally seeing as how I have to face the reality that Arrington won't be lowering his price and playing in Cincy.

Never say never. Although it's a long shot and looking longer all the time, I think the fact that the Giants didn't ink him initially and are now willing to consider "re-opening negotiations if his price is reasonable" leaves room for interpretation. Joisey's point looks to be pretty sound -- he's now desperate to sign before the draft because once teams start seeing these shiney new LB's and hybrid DE's maybe they can live with passing on the guy with some mileage, a couple of prior accidents and some baggage in the trunk. Many have said, and I agree, that Lavar is settling into a situational role. It just so happens that we could really use a situation in which somebody can get us double digit sacks. The only way we get him, however, is the almost total capitulation of his $$ demands. While that still appears remote, how many teams are chasing this guy around in late April?? Could happen.

[HoosierCat]

Here's Accorsi, via kffl...

Giants | More about Arrington visit

Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:11:42 -0700

The Associated Press reports free agent LB LaVar Arrington (Redskins) took a physical for the New York Giants Thursday, April 20. His visit sparked more talk that the linebacker may be on the verge of signing with the Giants. While meeting with the media to discuss the upcoming NFL Draft April 29, Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi was bombarded with questions about Arrington and declined to go into detail including where the physical took place or the results. "He has had a physical with us," Accorsi said. "That's all that's taken place. If this triggers another round of hysteria, it will be inaccurate just like the last round. Nothing has happened in the negotiations. Obviously, you're not even going to think about a player without a physical examination. Now we have that."

he's now desperate to sign before the draft because once teams start seeing these shiney new LB's and hybrid DE's maybe they can live with passing on the guy with some mileage, a couple of prior accidents and some baggage in the trunk.

Sounds like it, don't it? And it doesn't sound like the Giants are going to open the vault. Frankly at this point his best bet may be to sit and wait for training camps to start -- and the inevitable injuries to occur.

[HoosierCat]

Giants to LaVar...we'll give you a coupon for a free b'fast at IHOP...

Giants | Team still wants Arrington to lower his price?Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:17:17 -0700

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the New York Giants are waiting for free agent LB LaVar Arrington (Redskins) to lower his price before they make an effort to sign him.

[turningpoint]

IMO Ray Lewis is a bengal before Lavar is.

[Larry]

can we please just sign one of the O-line, and move on. Not taking anything away from this guy, he still is not that much of an upgrade considering the learning curve. Better skills, probably. But for the team, no.

[Section 310]

On one of the internet sites this morning they reported that Arrington's "physical" was no more than an MRI on his knee. Teams are still concerned that his knee may not allow him to ear his $$$$.

[HoosierCat]

Top story in this morning's NJ Star-Ledger is that Arrinton and the Giants are closing in on a deal. The Giants are reportedly LaVar's top choice since he can get back at DC twice a year, and because his fellow LBs would be guys he played with in DC and at Penn State. The Postons say they are still talking to other teams, tho, but the Giants are apparerently happy with the state of LaVar's knees, and Arrington has dropped his asking price to some degree as well. The report suggests that the main issues now involve how much $$$ is guaranteed vs. how much is put into incentive clauses LaVar would have to earn via performance.

[jjakq27]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5528526

$49M for 7 years from the G-men....

Now go back to your lives, citizens.

[andybren]

$49M for 7 years

So I guess we were always in the hunt, right?

[ArmyBengal]

Thank God this bullsh*t is over with !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Spor_tees]

The Giants just signed him so they could trade him to the Bengals for the #24 pick.

[Spain]

I feel wrong and relieved at the same time. However start looking at DE/LB tweener s in the draft there was areason that Marvin was interested in him.

[Kazkal]

also on nfl.com

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYG/9390737

[HoosierCat]

$49M for 7 years

So I guess we were always in the hunt, right?

Actually, it's a very cap-friendly deal. The only guaranteed money is a piddling $5.2 million signing bonus. The rest is all on salary and incentives and stuff LaVar actually has to be on the roster and performing to get. In total it's a big chunk of change, but its structure is one that would be perfectly acceptable to a guy like Mike Brown.

That said, I didn't expect we'd sign him and I always figured that when the dust settled it'd be NY or Miami that did.

The NY Post with the numbers: http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/62781.htm

[cincy9275]

then it is the end of this topic .

[andybren]

I feel wrong and relieved at the same time. However start looking at DE/LB tweener s in the draft there was areason that Marvin was interested in him.

You're relieved? Then why did we have to be bombarded with your 3-4 rants for the past month?

First, Marvin is always looking for good linebackers. He drafted 5 in his first 3 drafts and brought in guys like Kevin Hardy and Nate Webster. If he drafts a few more this year, it won't make you a master draftologist.

Second, the reason he was looking at Arrington is because he was available.

As John Lennon said, life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. Good coaches like Marvin make plans, but they're not so single-minded as to turn down other opportunities when they arise.

Just because Sam Adams and LaVar Arrington become available in free agency doesn't mean Marvin was planning to go 3-4 all along.

P.S. Who's the chump now?

[ArmyBengal]

"Who's the chump now ???"

WHODEY !!!

[TJJackson]

Hey Spain, have we signed Arrington cheaply yet?

Let me know when it happens, 'kay?