Kazkal Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 But this is where the flavors come in. If Hayes had his druthers, he would get a guy who can block well and make him into a receiver and, as usual, there are fewer blockers than catchers. In fact, Jones says you have to go to the sixth round and Auburn’s Cooper Wallace before you find a guy who has some consistent blocking skills. so why isen't reggie or tony a receiving TE yet give us pope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5195I'm not sure I agree with that statement. I can think of at least one TE thought to go in the earlier rounds who has been labled a solid blocker, that being Fasano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 read that too. dumb. what kind of logic is this? teaching a guy to be a reciever is harder than blocking....some guys NEVER get thier hands to work...blocking takes technique but not like getting separation, running the route and making a catch....hayes has his perspective but I think it is the wrong approach...plus he mentions that Schoebel was "the reciever-type". If that is the case then we are morons...he was "average" at best....dropped passes, ran bad routes, etc.give me a guy with hands who can run and then learn him to block...that is what i would do.....F Wallace in the 6th...stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 mybe their just trying hide their plans suprised they have lewis over pope but I guess its his play rather then numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'll take the sixth round tight end.Ok, let's move on. Nothing to see here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I'll take the sixth round tight end.Ok, let's move on. Nothing to see hereI'm sorry but it's already been decided that bengals will select a TE in the 1st /crosses figners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 This would just make my hopes for an all defensive day one draft a reality !!! I think I mentioned in another thread about how if the Bengals were to take a TE on day one, it would be after they traded down in the 1st or traded up into the 3rd. ADDRESS THE DEFENSE !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hayes clearly isn't stupid as these remarks are so dead on I could have written them. In fact, I already have. "And that gets back to matching the guy who has the same qualities that can help the offense. The knock on the 6-8 Pope, as stated by Pro Football Weekly is that he has “a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage ... not a natural bender.” With the Bengals asking their tight end to be so active in the running game, including stints in the backfield, that doesn’t sound like a match. Rang fears that Pope “has some bust in him” because he won’t be able to use his size as much catching the ball in the pros, although Hayes liked his production at Georgia. And production is so very important to Hayes in the evaluation. “You can’t get enamored with just measurables. You have to look at production,” Hayes said. “If a kid is productive and has always been productive, he’s going to continue to be productive because he knows how to play the game.” This is why Hayes doesn’t want to hear the knocks on UCLA’s Lewis, a 6-6, 261-pounder who had more scholarship offers for basketball than football. There is some concern that he’s not all that quick, but Hayes has seen tape of a senior season he caught 58 balls and 10 touchdowns and was named the best tight end in the country. “He understands how to get open; he understands how to use his leverage to beat a guy,” Hayes said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofLnMU Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I think that if we get any of the three top TE prospects, we will do well. We have virtually no shot at Vernon Davis, barring a trade. I've liked what I have seen of Lewis, and I'm a huge Pope homer. I want a big pass catcher. Blocking technique can eventually be learned, if the motor is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I want a day 1 TE, but not with pick 24.The TE's I like will be at 55 and maybe even in round 3.I like Cooper Wallace a LOT, and in fact if you check my last two Bengals only mocks, you'll see him listed as an alternate pick in r6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedOne Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I would really like to us take Fasano in the 2nd.He's a good blocker, he can catch as well. I like the style of offense that he came from @ ND under Weis, very NFL like, so in that matter he's already got a bit of a leg up and won't have such a long adjustment period.No matter what the coaches say, a TE who could be used in the passing game as a REAL threat would open up this team to EVEN more things, I mean think about it.....(if Henry ever plays for us again) You could potentially have CJ, TJ, CH and a TE all lined up.....If Carson is not able to start I actually think a TE would hold more value, I'd much rather see our QB playing pitch and catch with a solid TE instead of trying 50 yard bombs to Chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I like a tight end on day 1....maybe a Fasano or Pope.In the article it mentions that this may be one of the deepest drafts for a TE, and I think what Hobson is doing is trying to find the weak links of all these TEs, but the first 4 or 5 are all pretty solid picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hayes clearly isn't stupid as these remarks are so dead on I could have written them. In fact, I already have. "And that gets back to matching the guy who has the same qualities that can help the offense. The knock on the 6-8 Pope, as stated by Pro Football Weekly is that he has “a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage ... not a natural bender.” With the Bengals asking their tight end to be so active in the running game, including stints in the backfield, that doesn’t sound like a match. Rang fears that Pope “has some bust in him” because he won’t be able to use his size as much catching the ball in the pros, although Hayes liked his production at Georgia. And production is so very important to Hayes in the evaluation. “You can’t get enamored with just measurables. You have to look at production,” Hayes said. “If a kid is productive and has always been productive, he’s going to continue to be productive because he knows how to play the game.” This is why Hayes doesn’t want to hear the knocks on UCLA’s Lewis, a 6-6, 261-pounder who had more scholarship offers for basketball than football. There is some concern that he’s not all that quick, but Hayes has seen tape of a senior season he caught 58 balls and 10 touchdowns and was named the best tight end in the country. “He understands how to get open; he understands how to use his leverage to beat a guy,” Hayes said.Aye seems like people starting moving lewis up again doesn't look like he'd be there @ 55 if fans were gm's lolI would really like to us take Fasano in the 2nd.He's a good blocker, he can catch as well. I like the style of offense that he came from @ ND under Weis, very NFL like, so in that matter he's already got a bit of a leg up and won't have such a long adjustment period.No matter what the coaches say, a TE who could be used in the passing game as a REAL threat would open up this team to EVEN more things, I mean think about it.....(if Henry ever plays for us again) You could potentially have CJ, TJ, CH and a TE all lined up.....If Carson is not able to start I actually think a TE would hold more value, I'd much rather see our QB playing pitch and catch with a solid TE instead of trying 50 yard bombs to Chad.fasano is a tony stewert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hayes clearly isn't stupid as these remarks are so dead on I could have written them. In fact, I already have. "And that gets back to matching the guy who has the same qualities that can help the offense. The knock on the 6-8 Pope, as stated by Pro Football Weekly is that he has “a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage ... not a natural bender.” With the Bengals asking their tight end to be so active in the running game, including stints in the backfield, that doesn’t sound like a match. Rang fears that Pope “has some bust in him” because he won’t be able to use his size as much catching the ball in the pros, although Hayes liked his production at Georgia. And production is so very important to Hayes in the evaluation. “You can’t get enamored with just measurables. You have to look at production,” Hayes said. “If a kid is productive and has always been productive, he’s going to continue to be productive because he knows how to play the game.” This is why Hayes doesn’t want to hear the knocks on UCLA’s Lewis, a 6-6, 261-pounder who had more scholarship offers for basketball than football. There is some concern that he’s not all that quick, but Hayes has seen tape of a senior season he caught 58 balls and 10 touchdowns and was named the best tight end in the country. “He understands how to get open; he understands how to use his leverage to beat a guy,” Hayes said.Aye seems like people starting moving lewis up again doesn't look like he'd be there @ 55 if fans were gm's lolI would really like to us take Fasano in the 2nd.He's a good blocker, he can catch as well. I like the style of offense that he came from @ ND under Weis, very NFL like, so in that matter he's already got a bit of a leg up and won't have such a long adjustment period.No matter what the coaches say, a TE who could be used in the passing game as a REAL threat would open up this team to EVEN more things, I mean think about it.....(if Henry ever plays for us again) You could potentially have CJ, TJ, CH and a TE all lined up.....If Carson is not able to start I actually think a TE would hold more value, I'd much rather see our QB playing pitch and catch with a solid TE instead of trying 50 yard bombs to Chad.fasano is a tony stewert 2Fassano is NO Tony Stewart! I'm a Notre Dame fan and have watched a lot of games and one thing I can say about Fassano is he can make clutch catches and take a hit. The guy is money with his hands, and he can block. The only knock I would have on Fassano, is his lack of speed up the seam. He will be a great third down conversion maker, red zone TD machine, and run blocker, but never a game breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hayes clearly isn't stupid as these remarks are so dead on I could have written them. In fact, I already have. "And that gets back to matching the guy who has the same qualities that can help the offense. The knock on the 6-8 Pope, as stated by Pro Football Weekly is that he has “a natural disadvantage as a base blocker and too easily loses leverage ... not a natural bender.” With the Bengals asking their tight end to be so active in the running game, including stints in the backfield, that doesn’t sound like a match. Rang fears that Pope “has some bust in him” because he won’t be able to use his size as much catching the ball in the pros, although Hayes liked his production at Georgia. And production is so very important to Hayes in the evaluation. “You can’t get enamored with just measurables. You have to look at production,” Hayes said. “If a kid is productive and has always been productive, he’s going to continue to be productive because he knows how to play the game.” This is why Hayes doesn’t want to hear the knocks on UCLA’s Lewis, a 6-6, 261-pounder who had more scholarship offers for basketball than football. There is some concern that he’s not all that quick, but Hayes has seen tape of a senior season he caught 58 balls and 10 touchdowns and was named the best tight end in the country. “He understands how to get open; he understands how to use his leverage to beat a guy,” Hayes said.Aye seems like people starting moving lewis up again doesn't look like he'd be there @ 55 if fans were gm's lolI would really like to us take Fasano in the 2nd.He's a good blocker, he can catch as well. I like the style of offense that he came from @ ND under Weis, very NFL like, so in that matter he's already got a bit of a leg up and won't have such a long adjustment period.No matter what the coaches say, a TE who could be used in the passing game as a REAL threat would open up this team to EVEN more things, I mean think about it.....(if Henry ever plays for us again) You could potentially have CJ, TJ, CH and a TE all lined up.....If Carson is not able to start I actually think a TE would hold more value, I'd much rather see our QB playing pitch and catch with a solid TE instead of trying 50 yard bombs to Chad.fasano is a tony stewert 2Fassano is NO Tony Stewart! I'm a Notre Dame fan and have watched a lot of games and one thing I can say about Fassano is he can make clutch catches and take a hit. The guy is money with his hands, and he can block. The only knock I would have on Fassano, is his lack of speed up the seam. He will be a great third down conversion maker, red zone TD machine, and run blocker, but never a game breaker. the only reason i dont fassano is that he is a notre dame guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Is this the 1st time this year Bengals.com has interviewed a position coach about draft specifics? Seems like, especially with this kind of detail.Hard to see where the role of TE is going to be dramatcially increased on the priority chart regardeless of Palmer maybe missing a few games. The article seems to convey as much. The Bengals have to look at TE in the draft to fill out the roster and prepare for the short-term future. IMO there's nothing to warrant a Day 1 pick on a TE for what the way they are used by the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Is this the 1st time this year Bengals.com has interviewed a position coach about draft specifics? Seems like, especially with this kind of detail.Hard to see where the role of TE is going to be dramatcially increased on the priority chart regardeless of Palmer maybe missing a few games. The article seems to convey as much. The Bengals have to look at TE in the draft to fill out the roster and prepare for the short-term future. IMO there's nothing to warrant a Day 1 pick on a TE for what the way they are used by the Bengals.How many times does someone have to state on here until you guys get it, that it isn't the system that makes the TE so invisible on the Bengals...it's the quality of TE's the Bengals have! Did you want Carson to throw 100 passes to Shobel last year? A guy that would drop 50 of the 100, never break a tackle, and had the speed to get about 2 yards after the catch? Give the Bengal's a great TE and they will throw him the ball...TRUST ME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Exactly - if I was Bratkowski, I wouldn't throw much to Matt "Hands of Stone" Schobel either. If on the other hand I had Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates to throw to, then I just might like the idea a whole lot better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 How many times does someone have to state on here until you guys get it, that it isn't the system that makes the TE so invisible on the Bengals...it's the quality of TE's the Bengals have! Did you want Carson to throw 100 passes to Shobel last year? A guy that would drop 50 of the 100, never break a tackle, and had the speed to get about 2 yards after the catch? Give the Bengal's a great TE and they will throw him the ball...TRUST ME! It is the system that makes the TE less important. The vertical pass game sets up the power run. It's obvious week in and week out what the biggest greatest strength on offense are and they do not include the TE as a primary receiving option. As far Carson, he's a gunslinger. A real receiving TE would just obstruct his view downfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I still think we take TE on day one... We have to get someone to replace Schobel and then cut one of the other turds we have. Ghent is still on the roster as well... You can NEVER give your QB "to many options" regardless of your opinion of the offense we run. Just like Perry gave Carson another option, so will a TE who not a turd !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hayes is just smoke screening so teams don't trade ahead of the bengals to draft pope in the 1st or lewis in the 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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