This guy is nuts!

[Spor_tees]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

Here is to wishing for Christmas in May!

[Stripes]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

And then he proceeded to become a Bengal killer in his rookie season. Or maybe just an Ohalete killer.

Vernon Davis looks like a God among men this year compared to Heath last year, so it's still not as likely.

[BlainThePain]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

Here is to wishing for Christmas in May!

Heath Miller didn't run the fastest 40 time for a tight end in combine history though.

[Spor_tees]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

Here is to wishing for Christmas in May!

Heath Miller didn't run the fastest 40 time for a tight end in combine history though.

The draft wasn't this TE deep when he was drafted either!

[cincy9275]

if davis is there yes you take him you would have to be a total retard not too.

[futurebengal08]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

Here is to wishing for Christmas in May!

Does Heath Miller really compare to Davis?...I wouldn't consider him a 'huge steal'.

[Spor_tees]

Heath Miller fell to the Pi$$Burgh Stealers last year as the first TE in the draft at pick #30...so maybe...

Here is to wishing for Christmas in May!

Does Heath Miller really compare to Davis?...I wouldn't consider him a 'huge steal'.

You are right, Davis doesn't compare to Heath Miller yet, because Heath Miller has already proven himself a quality NFL TE, whereas Davis is only speculation, and a soon to be rookie draft pick.

[BENGALTHEM]

LOL, This guy isn't nuts......................he's smoking stixx.

This is by far the worst mock draft I have ever seen.................. Shows you the knucleheads they got working for CBS.

If Vernon Davis falls that far, then your looking at a 3-4 year DYNASTY!!!!!

[andybren]

I read no further than pick #3:

Vince Young, QB, Texas: College memories: Forget that motion hitch and Wonderlic glitch, Young is a perfect fit for the Titans. As Steve McNair's career winds down, Young gets to start his under the wing of his mentor. Think of him as Randall Cunningham in his prime.

Tough to mentor a young QB when they don't let you in the building. Dodd's an idiot.

I guess it's possible that Leinart and Cutler will fall to #9, and #10, but you'd have to know the Ravens would probably then trade most of their second picks to move up from #13. Assuming they didn't already sign Steve McNair.

Come to think of it, if either QB lasts more than 7 picks, half of the league will be looking to trade up.

[HairOnFire]

I read no further than pick #3:

I read the entire mock, but my "whoa moment" came at #2 when Dodd had AJ Hawk going to the Saints. Sorta figured right there it was going to be a long and stupid ride.

[ArmyBengal]

I read no further than pick #3:

I read the entire mock, but my "whoa moment" came at #2 when Dodd had AJ Hawk going to the Saints. Sorta figured right there it was going to be a long and stupid ride.

I actually like the Saints to take Hawk, but at #2 ?? F*cking stupid !!! If the Saints stay at #2 I think I'd bet on D'Brick being the pick !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Bobcat Bengal]

No, actually I agree with the Saints drafting him number 2 overall.

They need a playmaker at the OLB, and Hawk is only of the safest picks in this draft.

That defense would get tremendously better.

I say, go after the guy you want and quit trying to fit football players in slots.

[ArmyBengal]

No, actually I agree with the Saints drafting him number 2 overall.

They need a playmaker at the OLB, and Hawk is only of the safest picks in this draft.

That defense would get tremendously better.

I say, go after the guy you want and quit trying to fit football players in slots.

I do get where you are going with this, but I also believe the o-line has to be addressed at some point to give Brees' fragile asspiece some protection because they sucked last year. On the other hand, I've also made the argument that the o-line could be addressed at the top of the 2nd round for them, so who knows ???

WHODEY !!!

[derekshank]

I have to agree that Dodd is off in his draft... but I will not be as harsh as most of you are being. Last year, if someone had correctly predicted the draft 3 weeks in advance, most people would have blasted that person for claiming that Aaron Rodgers would fall that far. It was simply something no one predicted. The year before it was Stephen Jackson. He was expected to be in the top 10 in every draft, top 5 in some.

I'm not saying I expect Davis to drop to us. I fully expect him to go in the top 15, but strange things happen in evefy draft, and I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to try to predict them.

[Indycat]

To see Davis (best reciever in the draft) drop to to 24 is pretty crazy but to see Broderick Bunkley not drafted in the first round at all is absurd.

[BlainThePain]

I read no further than pick #3:

I read the entire mock, but my "whoa moment" came at #2 when Dodd had AJ Hawk going to the Saints. Sorta figured right there it was going to be a long and stupid ride.

I actually like the Saints to take Hawk, but at #2 ?? F*cking stupid !!! If the Saints stay at #2 I think I'd bet on D'Brick being the pick !!!

WHODEY !!!

I agree. I think if they stay at two, they draft D'Brick. If the Texans stay at one, I wouldn't be surprised if they shock everyone and take D'Brick. To me, he is the safest pick in the draft.

[blueridge]

I think we'd be nuts to take him. As has been stated many times here on this board, the TE position is a non factor in the Bengals offense. It is merely an extension of the O-line.

I am not saying that he isn't good enough or a bad player but unless this guy is Gonzalez or Gates then I wouldn't waste the pick. He'll never see the ball.

Unbelievable. Have you considered that the manner in which the TE position is used in the Bengals' offense is determined by the particular individuals who have filled that position? Stewart and Kelly are primarily blockers, i.e., not receiving threats. Schobel just sucked. A pass-catching TE, especially a tall, sure-handed redzone threat like Pope or Lewis, would add a dimension to the Bengals' offense that they haven't had in years.

[jjakq27]

No, it is believable, 'cause it's true. Reggie Kelly came here with the intention of becoming a top-flight receiving TE. I am still waiting. I think Tony Stewart was talking the same stuff when he arrived.

If you read any of the articles and quotes from Brat and ML, they both seem to downplay the TE position when questioned about it. And with Palmer still being relatively new, they continue to use the TE as an additional blocker. The Bengals TEs ranked 7, 8 and 11th in receiving stats on the team, with Schobel catching 18 to lead the group. That's barely one catch per game.

I agree that the trio of guys on the roster are just a shade above mediocre but throwing to the TE it is not in Brat's main scheme. This is not the West Coast offense.

Tony McGee was the last TE to catch over 50 passes for the Bengals. He was second on the team with 55 receptions in 1995 when some guy named Coslet was the OC.

For what it's worth, I wanted them to take Heath Miller last year. But that would have been a wasted pick if they had no intention of changing their philosphy. If the right guy is available and they try to make the TE position an integral part of the offense the I am all for it. If they are looking for blockers, I would rather put Kooistra or Andrews out there at TE and run off-tackle all day long.

BTW. Don't be surprised if Schobel ends up catching around 40-50 passes this year too.

[derekshank]

If the Bengals had Antonio Gates on their roster, they would throw him the ball. You tailor your system around the players you have. We have mediocre tight ends, and fantastic WR's and RB's. If we had mediocre WR's too, I'm guessing that our TE's would have caught more passes, but they didn't need to, or get the opportunity to, because of the elite play fron Chad, Housh and Henry.

Schobel very well might catch 50 passes as you say... but don't say it was because of our scheme. It was because he wasn't good enough to cause Palmer to look his way when guys like Chad, Housh, Henry and Perry were always getting open.

It is true that Marvin has not really seemed all that gung-ho about going out and getting a top-flight TE, and the only way he does in my opinion, is if someone with rare talent like Davis falls to us.

I believe though that Brat's scheme is not about the blocking TE though. If that were the case, we would end the pretense and put a 6th O-lineman out there. Blocking is important to the Bengals scheme... but so is receiving. If we had a TE who could do both at a high level, we would surely use them in both ways.

As it stands we simply have too many other offensive weapons for any of the TE's on our roster to make an impact. I think Davis could be a good enough player to be that guy... but it will take a truly elite TE to produce in this offense the way we would expect a 1st rounder to, and that is a lot to ask. For this reason... unless Davis falls to us (and maybe even if he does), I want defense addressed in the 1st round.

[Spor_tees]

A great TE can make a QB even better than he already is...just ask Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Ben Worthlessberger, and Trent Green. The only QB with a great TE that still sucks is Kyle Boller...and well, he just sucks.

Do you really think Ben Worthlessberger would have as high of a completion percentage if he didn't have Heath Miller this past year? Miller was the second leading reciever on Pi$$burgh AHEAD of Randel-el, who just got a huge free agent contract I might add. I didn't even realize til this thread got started and was looking at stats, that Randel-el only scored 2 TD's last year (One recieving-One passing). Miller had 6!

A great TE would do three things for the Bengals

1. Provide another Red Zone option that would raise their TD-FG ratio

2. Raise Carson Palmer's completion percentage by giving him another check down option

3. Open the field on the outside for more deep balls by drawing double coverage in the middle sucking in the safety

How can you guys possibly not want that???

[Stripes]

1. Provide another Red Zone option that would raise their TD-FG ratio

This is my primary reason for wanting a good tight end if one is available when we pick on the first day. Pope and all of his 6 feet and 8 inches would be DAMN fine to have in the red zone.

2. Raise Carson Palmer's completion percentage by giving him another check down option

Step aside Kenny, 'cause Carson's on his way to 75%. (Okay, maybe that's a stretch)

3. Open the field on the outside for more deep balls by drawing double coverage in the middle sucking in the safety

I'd say it'd do more to open the middle of the field for the tight end and a slot receiver. Chad and Henry are still going to get plenty of attention on the outside. Teams will be more willing to double cover those two than a tight end. Heck, once they've gotten all of those guys covered, Rudi and Perry can eat them alive.

I might sound like a homer, but I think our Bengals are a good tight end short of one of the best offenses in NFL history.

[Larry]

It would be nice, but so would cheerleaders wrestling in mud pits on the sidelines.

[TJJackson]

Well, let's get to work on getting those mud pits installed, then

[ckj414]

I might sound like a homer, but I think our Bengals are a good tight end short of one of the best offenses in NFL history.

That doesn't make you a homer, I absolutely agree. I'm a Giants fan, and I saw first hand what adding a Pro Bowl TE can do for your offense. The Giants offense was nothing before Shockey, and woudn't be anything extra special without him either.

A talented TE could do amazing things for the Bengals. If Vernon Davis falls to 24 (which he won't, but...), then I think the Bengals have no choice but to pick him. Picture this - Chad Johnson lined up on the strong side, Vernon Davis streaking down the seam...oops, there goes the safety, and Chad Johnson now has one-on-one coverage. I believe the Bengals would break records.

[ArmyBengal]

Don't get me wrong, an impact TE would be great, but you said it yourself, the Giants offense was nothing before Shockey and would be nothing again, without him. This is not the case for the Bengals... We have one of the best offenses in the league. You can never have to many targets for your QB, but our defense MUST be addressed...

WHODEY !!!