Robert Geathers

[Kazkal]

I remember at the start of the season how everyone was high on robert being our starting DE,now it seems like everyone is ready to replace him...though it's not really his fault that he was being moved inside on passing downs & the 1st season as a 3 down player am I the only one agaist 1st rnd DE? I'm happy with smith& geathers as starters and Jonathan Fanene as our new carl...I'd rather have 3rd-5th rnder for depth / spell the others we have a pass rushing stud in pollack and hopfully geathers if we keep him on the outside on passing downs.

I know I'm high on pope but if were gonna go Defense I would rather see a CB,S & DT taken before a DE we have 3 and a half young DE's already (Robert,fanene,smith and pollack for a 1/2 )

[derekshank]

I for one want a 1st round CB... but DE is my second choice. Not because of Geathers though. I think Geathers is a decent enough DE to start for us... but we have no one else after him and Justin Smith. We need some depth, and the fact that Smith is a FA next year is going to hurt us considerably if we wait to address it. If we have a 1st round DE, then we won't be put in a situation where we are forced to overspend for Smith... simply because he's our only hope.

[Kazkal]

smith is a RFA or ufa next year? if we lost smith then ya I woulden't mind early pick but I'd also like to see his contract redone and asap incase he does have breakout season in 2006

[derekshank]

I'm not sure... but I can almost guarantee that he is UFA... But I'm not sure it will matter. Smith is a pretty under-rated DE, who is very good in run coverage. My guess is there are other NFL teams out there who have noticed his skills, and feel they can make him into a better pure pass-rusher.

Some team out there will be willing to fork over more money than I would want to give him. And break-out season or not, it would be nice to have an alternative option to signing him to a big contract, because I want out O-line extended before I want Smith back.

I like Smith a lot, but he's not a pro-bowler, and is replaceable if we are willing to draft a DE early enough.

[Kazkal]

Depends just really not high on what i've seen of kiwi and hali which would seem about what we would get.... one of reasons I wanna Keep justin is because of his abilty vs the run which is what you lose with those fancy pass rush DE's....heck we could even take LB in rnd 1/2 and just move pollack back too DE though i'm preatty sure he might be mad at the time he wasted/weight he cut

I was watching game of the weeks and the colts were playing thought it was kinda funny dwight was about to run on too the field and coach yelled hold on their gonna run the ball so dwight ran back to the sideline.

[turningpoint]

well if kiwi or Mario drop to us I want them.

but other then that give me pope.

[Kazkal]

Super mario I would not complain about if he was there @24

[Spor_tees]

It looks like Manny Lawson and Hali will be available when we draft...that being said, I still want Pope!

Geathers and Smith are serviceable DE's. Smith was drafted to be a Pro-Bowler and he has just not turned out to be that dominate force, but he hasn't been a bust either. Some of the latest mock drafts I have seen have us taking a LB out of UTEP named Thomas Howard...both mock's said he could be moved to Safety!

My wish list in order:

1. Bunkley

2. Pope

3. Manny Lawson

4. Jimmy Williams (Man I hope he is the next Deangelo Hall!)

[lando griffin]

The thing is, Geathers is still 22 and already heading into his third season. He's waaaay to f**king young to give up on--I think he'll be fine.

[walshfan]

I think Geathers is going to mature into a fine DE....

He's still very young... this season will determine whether he's the answer out there.. He needs to seal off the edge and hopefully get his sacks up.. He's plenty quick and I think he's still getting stronger as he matures...

[ArmyBengal]

To reiterate what's been said, we have little depth and Justin will be up next year as well. That being the case, I think DE may be a foregone conclusion on day one. If not, maybe the first pick on day two !!!

WHODEY !!!

[GO85CHAD]

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAD A DOUBLE DIGIT SACK LEADER? PLUS GEATHERS DIDNT GET A LOT OF TACKLES FOR US. AT LEAST WITH SMITH HE GETS SOME TACKLES AND IS USUALLY GETTING AROUND 7 SACKS A YEAR. WHY WOULD WE DRAFT A DB IN THE FIRST ROUND? WE WERE IN THE BOTTOM 5 IN SACKS AND STILL HAD PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE. WE HAD OUR 2 STARTING SAFETIES GO OUT LAST YEAR. WE NEED TO DRAFT HALI OR LAWSON. HALI POSTED 11 SACKS LAST YEAR AND LAWSON HAS EXPLOSIVE QUICKNESS THAT WE COULD TURN LOOSE. LAWSON HAD IN COLLEGE 6 BLOCKS ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I HOPE WE DRAFT A DE.

[Kazkal]

Lawson I do not want at all a tweener who would have too move to LB which we alrdy have in pollack

[Kazkal]

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAD A DOUBLE DIGIT SACK LEADER? PLUS GEATHERS DIDNT GET A LOT OF TACKLES FOR US. AT LEAST WITH SMITH HE GETS SOME TACKLES AND IS USUALLY GETTING AROUND 7 SACKS A YEAR. WHY WOULD WE DRAFT A DB IN THE FIRST ROUND? WE WERE IN THE BOTTOM 5 IN SACKS AND STILL HAD PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE. WE HAD OUR 2 STARTING SAFETIES GO OUT LAST YEAR. WE NEED TO DRAFT HALI OR LAWSON. HALI POSTED 11 SACKS LAST YEAR AND LAWSON HAS EXPLOSIVE QUICKNESS THAT WE COULD TURN LOOSE. LAWSON HAD IN COLLEGE 6 BLOCKS ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I HOPE WE DRAFT A DE.

DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS???? lawson may be a nice pass rusher but he can't play the run.

Double digit sackers and how many ints team had

1 Derrick Burgess OAK 16 57 ( had 18 INT's + a losing record)

2 Osi Umenyiora NYG 14.5 70(had 17 INT's)

3 Simeon Rice TB 14 40(Had 17 ints)

4 Kyle Vanden Bosch TEN 12.5 65(Had 9 ints)+ losing record

5 Aaron Schobel BUF 12 71(17 INT's)+ losing record

6 Jason Taylor MIA 12 74(14 int's)

7 Robert Mathis IND 11.5 54(18 ints)

8 Michael Strahan NYG 11.5 81---------------------

9 Dwight Freeney IND 11 34--------------------------

10 Jared Allen KC 11 55(16 ints)

11 John Abraham NYJ 10.5 58(21 ints + losing record)

12 Joey Porter PIT 10.5 56(15 ints)

13 Rod Coleman ATL 10.5 40( 16 ints)

14 Julius Peppers CAR 10.5 50(23 ints)

15 Shawne Merriman SD 10 57(10 ints)

16 Adewale Ogunleye CHI 10 40(24 Int's)

I'd take our leading DE having 6.5 sacks with having 7 int lead on the closet team who had a double digit sacker even if you only give us 1 int vs Vikings,packers & bears we'd still have more interceptions then most teams....I woulden't mind a pass rush special DE if he was solid agaist the run too

[ArmyBengal]

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE HAD A DOUBLE DIGIT SACK LEADER? PLUS GEATHERS DIDNT GET A LOT OF TACKLES FOR US. AT LEAST WITH SMITH HE GETS SOME TACKLES AND IS USUALLY GETTING AROUND 7 SACKS A YEAR. WHY WOULD WE DRAFT A DB IN THE FIRST ROUND? WE WERE IN THE BOTTOM 5 IN SACKS AND STILL HAD PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE. WE HAD OUR 2 STARTING SAFETIES GO OUT LAST YEAR. WE NEED TO DRAFT HALI OR LAWSON. HALI POSTED 11 SACKS LAST YEAR AND LAWSON HAS EXPLOSIVE QUICKNESS THAT WE COULD TURN LOOSE. LAWSON HAD IN COLLEGE 6 BLOCKS ON SPECIAL TEAMS. I HOPE WE DRAFT A DE.

Geathers was switched inside to DT a lot last season, which was not a smart move. With him moving back to DE this year, I see good things in his future... That in and of itself is meaningless though, due to the fact we have very little depth and Justin is going to be a FA as well. We will draft a DE period...

WHODEY !!!

[Whur CHad At?]

Geathers is good, he will improve. But if a solid DE is there when we pick we shouldn't hesistate. But then again, there are some good ones and they should be available later in the draft

[Kazkal]

I'd take DE if there was no TE,CB,DT or S that was bpa for that spot somehow I doubt that

[Dadraftnick]

Still high on Gathers ? I never was high on the guy. When we drafted him I said there is a wasted draft pick.

Then when he had a couple of sacks coming of the bench I thought maybe I was mistaken.

After all ,his uncle Jumpy was a sack machine. But he was a joke last year.

Maybe he may have some value coming off the bench but, an NFL starting quality DE HE IS NOT!

The guy that I would like to see them draft is Chris Gocong DE Cal Poly.

Gocong has led the nation in sacks the last couple of years. In the East West Shrine game pretty much everyone agrees he was the best defensive player in the game .

The great thing about Gocong is he plays the run equally as well as the pass.He is an all around stud.

The only knock on Gocong is his he is only 6'2 . They drafted Pollack last year and turned him into a LB because they said he was too short. So I am not sure they are even looking him at DE.

I do know the Bengals were one of 3 teams at his personal work out and they also worked him out LB.

So maybe they are considering him at 3-4 LB. He would be a Greg Loydd type at that position.

[TJJackson]

I want a DE - in fact two of them if you read my latest mock draft - but not necessarily to replace Geathers. If one of them is a better player - then so be it, replace him

Mainly, I am concerned about Justin Smith's departure at the end of the 2006 season

[HairOnFire]

Random thoughts...

Justin Smith gets far too much criticism. If he hadn't been drafted too highly years ago most Bengal fans would consider him a favorite, and a great player to use as a building block. No matter, I'm sure another team will do just that if Smith is allowed to become a FA next year, and if that happens I'm guessing Smith will get a new contract paying at least 5 million per year. Amazingly, I think he's worth it. But if you consider that too much to pay for a player of Smith's ability then there's no doubt that you're in the market for a new DE this year....and another one next year.

I'm disappointed with last seasons performance, but I haven't given up on Geathers. I had expressed concern before the season began that he would falter if given a starting role, but after seeing the year long results you have to wonder if teams haven't seen enough film on him to gameplan against the forklift move he used to produce early sacks. And with that move neutralized it was pretty hard to ignore the poor run defense.

As for the prospects, I've cooled on Kiwi, but if he were the pick I'm sure I'd quickly ignore my concerns and fall back in love with his potential. That said, I never cooled on Tamba Hali even after his pro day produced ugly numbers. The upside may not be as high as once thought, but he's way too solid to bust outright. I like but don't love Darryl Tapp, but he's a player I'd love to have if he was drafted in the 3rd round or later. BTW, I should admit that I've always liked Stanford DE Julian Jenkins more than draft sites, mock drafts, and talking heads can justify. To me he's the best plus-sized LDE option available after the 2nd round. Last, Chris Gocong looks f'n great on paper, but I've only seen him on a small sample of highlite plays. Frankly, I haven't got a clue about him.

[ArmyBengal]

I think a lot of pressure has always been put on J. Smith, due to their being no one else on the d-line that was worth a d*mn and he was looked at to be more than he was without any quality around him. Sam Adams should help him out as well this year and I see Justin doing better, especially in a contract year. I don't know about Cocoon boy, but if he's all he has been hyped to be on this board, how do you say no... Anyway, I would like the Kiwi pick in the 1st as well. There's a lot worse pick than that...

WHODEY !!!

[GapControl]

I want a DE - in fact two of them if you read my latest mock draft - but not necessarily to replace Geathers. If one of them is a better player - then so be it, replace him

Mainly, I am concerned about Justin Smith's departure at the end of the 2006 season

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The best thing to happen for Justin is that Geathers starts opposite him and Sam Adams/JT/1st Round DT Pick takes up the inside blockers on the OLine in rotation. I think if Geathers and Smith have help from the inside, we will see a much improved rush. Geathers has pure pass rushing technique that cannot be taught and seems also to possess an sense for pursuing inside the pocket. I think with a bolster at DT, Geathers can drop from 280 and get back to a leaner weight. He pulled double duty last year on DT/DE and shouldn`t need to do that again. If such happens, Justin will take less money than expected for his next contract as he must realize that he has never made a pro-bowl.

I am hesitant to draft another player with the name Mathias. I still cannot figure out how Askew looked great in Cincy at the Monday night game vs. Denver and now has played supporting actor to Powell and Clemons. I was at that game in Cincy, first prime time football game I have attended.... I was messed up but I do clearly remember Askew making a great deal of penetration and really messing up Denver`s run and pass　timing. Also, Kiwi seems to be a bit light for a DE in the NFL. Don`t we have a enough light bodies in LB and pre-Adams DLine? Personally, a big DT like Watson or Wroten and then a later DE pick would be something I would shoot for.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Geathers will play more like his rookie year when he's used more sparingly and in ways the offense doesn't expect so often.

He's just very fast for his size and can disrupt things when moved around - too much upside still to cast off. For now he may still be best as a situational guy. That or he'll get better as a 3-down DE hopefully. Like Thurman, a # of his mistakes were just mental/youth related.

He can a great player if he works hard - no doubts there, has all the ability.

[Kazkal]

mybe bengals should have drafted chad in the 1st and justin in the 2nd

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Geathers wasn't used as a DE on passing downs last year, he was moved inside as a DT. Maybe with Beer Belly in the middle, he will be used like he was his rookie year, and manage to have a good season.