HoosierCat Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Mcalister sez...At the owners meeting (on Monday) the Bengals had "discussions" about sending a 2006 third round pick and conditional future pick to the Titans for Billy Volek. The Titans who lack a 3rd round pick appear to be hoping to acquire a pick to use to move up one spot with the Saints to draft Matt Leinart.Volek would be a nice pickup but giving up a day 1 pick would suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I think giving up a day one pick would suck just a bit too much. No thanks on this deal. Volek had some rediculous games in 2004, but I'm still not convinced he's quite the player that has been advertised on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 A 3rd rounder for Volek? If he is that good then why do they have to move up to get Leinhart? There are too many FA QB's I say NO NO NO NO NO to trading any picks for one. Unless it is our extra 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Volek is much in the mold of Palmer, only not quite so good. He's got a good arm, smarts, and leadership ability. He's better than any 3rd round QB we could draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 If we SERIOUSLY would give up a 3rd rounder, I would have given one up for Matt Shaub, a younger guy that is going to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 If we SERIOUSLY would give up a 3rd rounder, I would have given one up for Matt Shaub, a younger guy that is going to be good. I wouldn't even do that. I don't want to lose a day one pick to get a guy that might start four games, probably lose half of them, and then sit the bench for the rest of the year before demanding a trade/release (unless it's a one year deal - no thanks on that too).I'd rather save that pick for a position of bigger need. Don't get me wrong, I do think we need a quarterback. A backup. I think we can get one without giving up so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobengals19 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 If we SERIOUSLY would give up a 3rd rounder, I would have given one up for Matt Shaub, a younger guy that is going to be good. I suspect we tried but my understanding is that Atlanta wanted more than a 1st rdr for him. Hell they wouldnt even consider him in the trade with the Jets for Abraham.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Schaub would cost more than a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Any trade for Volek, especially one that involved a 3rd round pick, would have to include Volek adding additional years to his current contract. So assuming that were done the Bengals would be solving their backup QB position for 3-5 years. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Maybe a 7th round pick...but a 3rd? No...Next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROIIIDayton Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 if they think that Palmer is going to miss more than 4 games next year then I think it is a good trade. I think Volek could win some games for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 First, the situation stinks. The unknown always makes you plan for the worst. Well, we are all hoping the worst is that Carson misses 1/4 of the season (first 4 games). For a definite playoff contender, that is a lot. So the question comes down to, "how do you put yourself in a situation to feel comfortable winning at least 2 of those Carson-less games?" Knowing your opponents for those 4 games would help to answer that. Another thing to keep in mind is that (IMO) defenses are ahead of offenses the first month of the season. Actually, it may be that offenses are not yet 'clicking' (timing, etc.). Knowing all this, I am one who says you don't 'overpay' for this backup QB role particular to the situation the Bengals are in. I would much rather continue to beef up the D and try to win 2 of those first four games on D, and with a QB who simply 'manages' the game (doesn't lose it). Do we have that guy already? Good question, but the answer might just be, "Yes." Now, if you are less optimistic, and fear the need to be more than 4 games, well, then what does that say for the realistic chances for the playoffs anyway?I say no first day picks for such a role. Not this year. Not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Regardless of the "situation", and assuming Volek gets a new contract solving the long-term issue I have spoke so much about lately, I think I'd do this as well. First, it solves the long term problem of a backup, Volek can play and has the arm to stretch the field like we need, and there is NO ONE in the draft with his experience and talent in the 3rd round.Now, I will say I would rather use a 3rd on a defensive player, but I would understand this move and not have to much of an issue with it. It may not be the most popular move, but it would be a very solid move for the Bengals. F*ck the conditional pick as well... Straight up for a third should be enough...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Regardless of the "situation", and assuming Volek gets a new contract solving the long-term issue I have spoke so much about lately, I think I'd do this as well. First, it solves the long term problem of a backup, Volek can play and has the arm to stretch the field like we need, and there is NO ONE in the draft with his experience and talent in the 3rd round.Now, I will say I would rather use a 3rd on a defensive player, but I would understand this move and not have to much of an issue with it. It may not be the most popular move, but it would be a very solid move for the Bengals. F*ck the conditional pick as well... Straight up for a third should be enough...WHODEY !!!With a conditional pick, we may give nothing in addition. They'd get more if Volek started a lot and saved our bacon.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 OK, if the following happens, I would assume they would be trying to move up, but why would they do that if both of their QB's were gone and noone but a rookie to deal with everything ???Titans | McNair could be releasedWed, 29 Mar 2006 11:19:20 -0800ESPNews reports the Tennessee Titans could release QB Steve McNair due to salary cap reasons. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Volek would be a great backup... but why give up a 3rd round pick for him? Day 1 picks usually are expected to make an impact. It is unlikely that Volek would be so significantly better than, say... Jaime Martin, that I would want to trade a valuable pick for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I really like Volek. He's stepped into the starting lineup and made an impact several times for the Titans.That said, there's no way I would want the Bengals to give up a third round pick (let alone a possible additional pick next season) for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 He's a much better LONG TERM solution than the one year deal for Harrington !!! Long term being the key point. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 He's a much better LONG TERM solution than the one year deal for Harrington !!! Long term being the key point. WHODEY !!!I think Billy is in his early 30s. Like 31 or so, and I seriously doubt he's looking to end his career as a back up. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Dallas or Kansas City make a play for him at some point in the offseason. But speaking of long term regarding team needs, we really should be looking to draft a cornerback to step in when Tory James retires. If we give up a third round pick, we probably won't be getting that this season, assuming we draft a DT/TE in the first two rounds. Maybe if we had a compensatory pick or two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 He's a much better LONG TERM solution than the one year deal for Harrington !!! Long term being the key point. WHODEY !!!Maybe if we had a compensatory pick or two... Yeah, that would certainly help the situation to have another 4th and 5th this year !!! Oh well...I still like Volek...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Why not sign Mcnair??!?If he is cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Stop thinking "back-up...back-up"....plan for someone who you want to be able to START....then be a back-up....Jamie Martin is a perfect back-up but not the best guiy to come in under the bengals current circumstances.Obviously, Volek would have to move to the front of the charts. he is a very good player...but not so good that the Titans will be willing to pass on one of the top QB's in the draft. If we could get him for a 3rd round pick...so be it. It may be painful to give up a r3 slot but that is cheap insurance for giving the keys to the ferrari back to Carson with no dents dings or damage.The possible release fo McNair is also very interesting...he is certainly not the Qb he once was but can still be very good with the right protection and weapons...there is no doubt the Bengal Line and Weaponry is superior to Tenny's. If he is released, look for many teams to make a play for him and drive the $$ up. That is why Volek may be a better option...bottom line is that everyday we don't have the QB position settled is another lost preparation day for the season...control the controllables.Schaub is not going anywhere. I think Vick will end up hurt or be so badly mis-used this year (forced to pocket pass) that schaub will need to come in...IOW, Atlanta needs him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Stop thinking "back-up...back-up"....plan for someone who you want to be able to START....then be a back-up....WOO!! BRING IN JEFF GEORGE!! WOO!!Wait, what? Sorry 'bout that...I had a momentary lapse of sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 All things even Id take Volek over Harrington but I think Volek goes for a third rounder and Harrington will be a fourth or fifth..That said get Joey.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 If I'm Joey Harrington I instruct my agent to continue refusing all requests to rework my current contract, essentially queering any potential trade...and forcing the Lions to cut him outright before paying a roster bonus. Then he's free to negotiate with whatever team he chooses, hand picking the backup position he likes best choose, the coaching staff he feels most comfortable working with, and the city he most wants to live in. And the only way Harrington should back off and make a trade possible is if he really likes what he sees and hears on one of the Joey 2006 Victory Tour stops. Regardless, the end result is still the same, the Lions have almost no leverage left now that they've signed a 2nd FA QB, and will happily take almost nothing in trade return. I see the Volek trade scenario much different. McNair will almost certainly be the QB they most want to part with due to his massive contract and salary cap hit. Seriously, it's ridiculous. Keeping Volek makes much more sense if they draft a rookie as he's got two years left on his modest contract...allowing the Titans to sit the rookie until he's ready. Thus, the only way I'd expect the Titans to part with Volek over McNair is if another team offered a very attractive draft pick AND they were sure that McNair would renegotiate his existing contract. Whether the latter is likely is anyones guess, but under no circumstance can I see any team getting Volek cheaply in trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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