HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I don't think Krenzel or Johnson get us to even 8-8Neither will Ramsey or Brooks or any of the others.Your opinion is your own and you are welcome to it, but I can't share it.How many "saviors" did we bring in at QB from 1992 to 2002? I think we started about 128 different QBs (OK, I'm exaggerarting, maybe it was 127) during that time period. Of them, the best were Blake and Kitna, both of whom had plenty of weapons on offense and neither of whom did better than 8-8. And most of them were garbage (Mitchell, O'Donnell, Frerotte, etc.). It's just not worth it, IMHO. Take the $750k you'd spend on a QB and add it to your offer to LaVar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Not looking for a savior here....only a caretaker in Carson's absenceIt sounds like you feel the entire success of the team is predicated on Carson. I concur with you that our best chance of success is with a healthy carson for 16 games, but my point is.....I don't want to just roll over and forget about 2006 if we cant have Carson for 16 games. I still want the best possible performance we can get.....and you cannot tell me (well you can, but I won't believe you) that the right caretaker QB won't impact that success or lack thereof measurably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 It sounds like you feel the entire success of the team is predicated on Carson.Yeah, that would be about it.Like I said before, no Carson = we are screwed anyhow.The only hope I see, in such a case, is a serious improvement on defense. IMHO we need to quit following the "Bungles" model of signing crappy QBs and hope they can win games with a stud-filled O and a crappy D (which didn't work for about 14 years straight), and pay some attention to (to use last year's example) the "Chicago model." The one where you build a kick-a$$ defense and can have Kyle Orton as your starter until your preferred No. 1 heals up.Gimme LaVar, Adams, Madieu back (and even Jackson), another year of experience for Odell and Pollack, and 2-3 day 1 picks on defense (preferably DT and DE), and we can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I don't know what to tell you, except Kitna managed to get us to 8-8 twice with fewer pieces of the puzzle in place than we have now9-7 may be enough this year for a wildcard. I think a solid caretaker QB may make the difference between 9-7 and, uhm, less than 9-7.I suppose it is fruitless to continue this line of discussion, tho, as you see it as Carson = playoffs, no Carson = back to 3-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 It sounds like you feel the entire success of the team is predicated on Carson.Yeah, that would be about it.Like I said before, no Carson = we are screwed anyhow.The only hope I see, in such a case, is a serious improvement on defense. IMHO we need to quit following the "Bungles" model of signing crappy QBs and hope they can win games with a stud-filled O and a crappy D (which didn't work for about 14 years straight), and pay some attention to (to use last year's example) the "Chicago model." The one where you build a kick-a$$ defense and can have Kyle Orton as your starter until your preferred No. 1 heals up.Gimme LaVar, Adams, Madieu back (and even Jackson), another year of experience for Odell and Pollack, and 2-3 day 1 picks on defense (preferably DT and DE), and we can do that.See, the thing is, if we get the 5 new starters on D we might pick up this year (counting Madieu), our D might be close to being good enough to carry the team IF carson is ready by, say, game 5. If the Bengals do things right, they could replace both DTs, effectively both safeties (again, counting Madieu as a "replacement"), and get somebody better than Jumpy Jr. in there for most downs (especially runs). I think that D gives up closer to 20 points a game than 30 by far.So for that reason, I'm not sold on the fact that 06 will be written off. The question is, do any of the chump QBs available give us a significantly better shot to win than Krenzel? I almost want to say Brooks. Reason is, he shouldn't take much time to adjust to the system. By which I mean, he's so stupid, he should be able to learn as much as he's going to ASAP. He basically goes on his physical skills, and does a decent job. Half the time he'll kill the opponent with an amazing throw, half the time he kills his own team with a brain cramp.Sort of like a more athletic Kitna that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 The big differences from those times to now is our O-Line, Coaches, RB's Wr's.....almost everything.....I agree that the retreads from the past were impressive only in the magnitude in which they failed....but I think this is different.At least for a few games, and if the QB is better than Ktina-level, this is akin to plugging almost any decent RB into Denver's system...a decent Qb can pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalbob Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Talking about the Bengals flailing in CP's absense, I love this line from Greise's agent, Cindrich, on Bengals.com about Greise coming to the Bengals, doing great, and then having to return the reins to CP:“If they’re 5-1 or 6-1, I’m sure they would still probably go back to (Palmer),” Cindrich said. “There’s no question once they got to know (Griese), they’d love him. He’s a smart guy.”http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5138Can you imagine a situation where one of these chump QBs come in, do great, and then Marvin says to a healthy CP, "Sorry son, but you've lost your starting job to Brian Greise." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Funnny his agent even mentions how smart he is, like he's overcompensating. Griese has a rep for being a dip. Former teammates have remarked about how dim he is...I'll try to find a link. If I recall, it is a funny article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Good points on both sides of the fence...any QB that's wants to be a starter this is not the place for them...if any of them sign knowing that this is Carson's team, when his time comes to play, they better not say s**t..if you bring in street QB you might as well give Krezel the reps, you cut Bramlet for a reason and he was here longer...and throw the rest of the $ on some D help....I was liking the idea of a Martin signing but don't know if it makes any difference, If Carson misses alot of time we are done....you say a QB can come in with our weapons and flourish...I say to you KITNA was in the same O his entire career in Seattle and here and where has he gotten us...8-8, and no playoffs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Ramsey sucks. The Bengals are looking for an experienced vet, not a 5th year player who lost his job to a grandpa last year.That is a funny way to put it but Brunell is in no way a grandpa. Vinnie and Flutie are grandpa's. Brunell still has one or two more years of good football in him. The bengals need to sign a former number 1 named Tim Couch who would love to play for Cincy and he would play for a little more than Peanuts. He made mad money as a Brown and he is married to a playmate who makes mad money he doesnt need the cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Per Hobson's latest update, the Grease-man is a-comin' to town, accompanied by lots of positive talk from his agent about how everyone is one the same page. Is this sorry backup QB saga finally coming to an end? We can only hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 P-P-P-Patty and the Jets...Jets | Ramsey acquired for 2006 draft pickFri, 17 Mar 2006 12:03:54 -0800Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Washington Redskins have traded QB Patrick Ramsey to the New York Jets for a 2006 sixth-round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 THANK GOD !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 oh pat-tay, oh pat-tay, oh patty patty patty patty yeaaaaaaahhhhhI would have been happy to give up a 6 for Ramseyah well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 The bengals need to sign a former number 1 named Tim Couch who would love to play for Cincy and he would play for a little more than Peanuts.Tim Couch would love to play for the Chicago Rush, the Philadelphia Soul, or the Dallas Desperados. That's not gonna happen either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Good I didnt want this idiot anyway he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 BrooksGrieseK. CollinsHarringtonMartinRamseyKitnaMcCownSpice BoyCulpepperGarthiaBreesnow we see who's left...Here are the teams shopping...BengalsOaktownChicagoBaltyNYJHOUDETMIAMINOPHI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Why'd you cross off Detroit? Hasn't Millen shown he won't stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I would have been happy to give up a 6 for Ramsey I would have given up an even higher pick if his contract could have been extended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I would have been happy to give up a 6 for RamseyI would have given up an even higher pick if his contract could have been extended. And give up whatever pick for someone who wants to be a starter and won't be happy being a backup AGAIN... I just didn't see it and am glad he went somewhere else. We didn't need his sh*t when Carson came back and listen to him b*tch and moan about not getting playing time...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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