TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 from kffl------Bengals | Team possible landing spot for RamseyThu, 16 Mar 2006 06:54:30 -0800Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have been added as a possible trading partner with the Washington Redskins for QB Patrick Ramsey.------if we could get him for a mid round (4 or lower) draft pick, it might not be too bad....depending on the cap hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 from kffl------Bengals | Team possible landing spot for RamseyThu, 16 Mar 2006 06:54:30 -0800Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have been added as a possible trading partner with the Washington Redskins for QB Patrick Ramsey.------if we could get him for a mid round (4 or lower) draft pick, it might not be too bad....depending on the cap hitThe Bengals could draft a rookie in the 4th round and he'd be as ready as Ramsey to handle the offense. Washington's system is totally different from Cincy's. I'd much rather see them bring someone like McCown or Martin in for less money and not give up a valuable pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Again, why would we give up a pick to get a guy who wants to be a starter and (probably) won't be for more than a few games and then made a backup again. Don't get me wrong, I'll take Ramsey, but I'm not sure this makes sense to me...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Ramsey sucks. The Bengals are looking for an experienced vet, not a 5th year player who lost his job to a grandpa last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Anyone know what the cap hit would be if we DID make the trade, regardless of whether it'd be a good idea or not?I assume Washington would eat any signing bonus prorata to this point and we'd only be on the hook for money upcoming, but I am no capologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Frankly, I don't like it. I'm not a big Ramsey fan, nor do I like the idea of trading something away for a schlub when we can sign a schlub and keep our players and our picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 from kffl------Bengals | Team possible landing spot for RamseyThu, 16 Mar 2006 06:54:30 -0800Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have been added as a possible trading partner with the Washington Redskins for QB Patrick Ramsey.------if we could get him for a mid round (4 or lower) draft pick, it might not be too bad....depending on the cap hitThe Bengals could draft a rookie in the 4th round and he'd be as ready as Ramsey to handle the offense. Washington's system is totally different from Cincy's. I'd much rather see them bring someone like McCown or Martin in for less money and not give up a valuable pick.I'm not sure that McCown would be cheaper (in $$$ if not picks) than Ramsey. Also, there's no way in hell a 4th round rookie would be as ready as Ramsey to handle an NFL offense. Washington may not be Cincinnati, but it's a whole lot closer than college.Also, people have been knocking Ramsey for getting benched. This is because Gibbs is not a personnel guy, at least anymore. Ramsey lost his job after ONE HALF of football, against the Bears, when he was admittedly bad, but so was Brunell. The Bears were damned good, and they hadn't figured out how to use Moss yet. Neither team could move the ball and the game ended 9-7 (yes, I had the pleasure of being at FedEx for that travesty). Anyway, there's no way in hell he deserves to lose a job for a single half of football - if you're going to pull him that fast, he never should have won the job in the first place. Gibbs can't handle players very well (Ramsey, Arrington, etc). Again, why you bench a young QB after a single half against a good defense in favor of an old QB, I have no idea. Gibbs is an idiot.If we could get Ramsey cheap, and for around a 5 round pick, I'll take him over Jamie Martin. At least Ramsey has played (and done reasonably well, if not stellar) in a non-StL offense. But if he costs more than Martin, forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'm not sure that McCown would be cheaper (in $$$ if not picks) than Ramsey. Also, there's no way in hell a 4th round rookie would be as ready as Ramsey to handle an NFL offense. Washington may not be Cincinnati, but it's a whole lot closer than college.McCown & Ramsey would probably be around the same, salary wise.You're right about the second thing, but my point was he couldn't come in here and really do anything because he'd have to learn an entirely new offense. It would be similar to a rookie coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'm not sure that McCown would be cheaper (in $$$ if not picks) than Ramsey. Also, there's no way in hell a 4th round rookie would be as ready as Ramsey to handle an NFL offense. Washington may not be Cincinnati, but it's a whole lot closer than college.McCown & Ramsey would probably be around the same, salary wise.You're right about the second thing, but my point was he couldn't come in here and really do anything because he'd have to learn an entirely new offense. It would be similar to a rookie coming in.Well, unless we start Krenzel for games 1-? next year, we're facing the "new offense" effect anyway. And starting Krenzel might not be the dumbest thing I've heard all month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd trade Chris Perry for Patrick Ramsey in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 If you want Ramsey so bad wait untill he gets released than pick him up, the Skins have an overabundance of QB's right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Well, unless we start Krenzel for games 1-? next year, we're facing the "new offense" effect anyway. And starting Krenzel might not be the dumbest thing I've heard all month.Absolutely. People forget that he was 3-1 with the Bears two years ago. He's like Kyle Orton with slightly more mobility & less arm strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Ramsey wants to start. I can't imagine him being happy here as a backup. No need to have any malcontents on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd trade Chris Perry for Patrick Ramsey in a heartbeat. You'd trade Chris Perry for a blowjob from Martha Stewart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd trade Chris Perry for Patrick Ramsey in a heartbeat. You'd trade Chris Perry for a blowjob from Martha Stewart! Agreed. [Pauses to think about it.] On a slightly more serious note, weren't the trade rumors regarding the Jets pursuit of Ramsey centered around a 5th round pick? If true, could the Bengals find a better use for their own 4th or 5th round pick than one that netted them a young backup QB like Ramsey? [Pauses to think about Martha again.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 He bitched and moaned about being Brunell's backup. He would do the same thing behind Carson...We need to stop thinking about adding these players who want to be starters AND go after the ones that know they are a backup...That eliminates McCown, Brooks, Ramsey, Collins, etc...They would all be malcontents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsDieHard1 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I live in the DC metro area and trading a pick for Ramsey would be ludicrous. I'd rather have Jeff Blake back..........welllllll, maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Who wouldn't bitch about being Brunell's backup when you've got that good a view of how Brunell is playing? BTW, there's no reason NOT to talk about McCown or Ramsey as both have been linked to the Bengals. Brooks and Collins are a different matter. Edit: Just read about McCown signing with Detroit. Moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We need to stop thinking about adding these players who want to be starters AND go after the ones that know they are a backup...That eliminates McCown, Brooks, Ramsey, Collins, etc...They would all be malcontents...I disagree....these guys are all in a spot where they have LOST thier starting role...and now need a shot to re-prove themselves and re-build their careers. Given this, having the chance to come to a team with our firepower..even if it is for 2-6 games, should be pretty attractive. With only so many QB spots left, someone is going to get left in the cold...I'd prefer not take a guy by deafult, meaning whoever is left in the cold.As far as being malcontented with starting the season then having to be a back-up to Carson....I think that dynamic would be avoided if the expectation is set properly. In each of the previous situations for the guys above, they all started and were benched, then still thought they were the better option...in fact I think the only ones who complained about their benching was Ramsey and McCown.If it came down to the guys above, give me Brooks in a heartbeat...good exerience, better arm, better athlete.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I wouldnt give them much, but Ramsey would a nice fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We need to stop thinking about adding these players who want to be starters AND go after the ones that know they are a backup...That eliminates McCown, Brooks, Ramsey, Collins, etc...They would all be malcontents...I disagree....these guys are all in a spot where they have LOST thier starting role...and now need a shot to re-prove themselves and re-build their careers. Given this, having the chance to come to a team with our firepower..even if it is for 2-6 games, should be pretty attractive. With only so many QB spots left, someone is going to get left in the cold...I'd prefer not take a guy by deafult, meaning whoever is left in the cold.As far as being malcontented with starting the season then having to be a back-up to Carson....I think that dynamic would be avoided if the expectation is set properly. In each of the previous situations for the guys above, they all started and were benched, then still thought they were the better option...in fact I think the only ones who complained about their benching was Ramsey and McCown.If it came down to the guys above, give me Brooks in a heartbeat...good exerience, better arm, better athlete..Good points...hard to not argue either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'm back to liking Martin best.Of those that remain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 He bitched and moaned about being Brunell's backup. He would do the same thing behind Carson...We need to stop thinking about adding these players who want to be starters AND go after the ones that know they are a backup...That eliminates McCown, Brooks, Ramsey, Collins, etc...They would all be malcontents...I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that we'll need someone other than Carson Palmer to start between 0 and 16 games next year. Unless we're just tanking the 06 season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that we'll need someone other than Carson Palmer to start between 0 and 16 games next year. Unless we're just tanking the 06 season?If Palmer is out for any significant length of time...we are screwed anyway.Lert's face it: how many long, painful, horrifying, miserable, agonizing, infuriating, frustrating years did we spend watching this team bring in an endless string of scrub QB saviors? Every damn year it was someone else. Sometimes two or three times a year it was someone else. Crappy QB after crappy QB after crappy QB. Have we learned nothing? None of these guys -- Brooks, Ramsey, Frerotte (!!!) etc. -- is the answer! Mikey may as well take his money and light it on fire, it will do about as much good as spending it on these guys. They are on the street for a reason, and long experience should have taught Bengals fans that street QBs never work out!We are just as well off with Krenzel and Johnson as any of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 We are just as well off with Krenzel and Johnson as any of these guys.I will leave it at that I disagree in the strongest possible terms.I think we have enough other offensive weapons that a competent qb, a slight improvement on defense (not out of the question) and a little luck could get us a wild card berth in 06 even in Carson's absence.I don't think Krenzel or Johnson get us to even 8-8I think that's a goal worth pursuing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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