Before everyone bitches about us signing Jamie Martin Today.

[turningpoint]

Do you know his career QB rating? If not go look it up.

Can he throw the ball downfield? If not go look at some clips of him.

UNtil then go bitch to your 8 year old sister cause she would be a great person talk too since she knows as much about Jamie Martin as you do.

Good day to everyone.

[TJJackson]

You're preaching to the choir, brother

Two additions to what you are saying

1) Does he give the Bengals a better chance of success in Carson's absence than our other two quarterbacks? (asked another way: does he upgrade our #2 qb spot)

2) Will he sign at a reasonable rate?

I think the answers to both are an unqualified yes, and ergo I think he'd be a great signing for the Bengals. I'd still rather have McCown, but hey, I'd like Carson to get miracle-cured as well.....got to play the cards we are dealt

[BTG]

Career touchdowns: 19

Career interceptions: 20

Career completion percentage: 65.6

Career rating: 81.9

**RED FLAG**

Most passes thrown in a season: 195

In my opinion, Josh McCown > Jay Fiedler > Martin simply because of the experience factor, but Martin's capable enough...plus he's cheap.

[HoosierCat]

Do you know his career QB rating? If not go look it up.

Can he throw the ball downfield? If not go look at some clips of him.

UNtil then go bitch to your 8 year old sister cause she would be a great person talk too since she knows as much about Jamie Martin as you do.

Good day to everyone.

And a good day to you, too, Captain Self Righteous! Maybe once you pull your head out of your a$$ you might read the three-page thread on Martin lower down? You know, the one where NO ONE complains about the prospect of signing him? No one is particularly excited, but why shpould they be? He's a backup QB who hopefully won't see a snap outside of practice -- exactly what the hope is for anyone we sign in that capacity.

Sheesh. Go take a Midol.

[derekshank]

Does this mean we are in the process of, or have signed him? Or is this just another duplicate thread on a topic that has alreday been discussed ad nauseam...

[Spor_tees]

You're preaching to the choir, brother

Two additions to what you are saying

1) Does he give the Bengals a better chance of success in Carson's absence than our other two quarterbacks? (asked another way: does he upgrade our #2 qb spot)

2) Will he sign at a reasonable rate?

I think the answers to both are an unqualified yes, and ergo I think he'd be a great signing for the Bengals. I'd still rather have McCown, but hey, I'd like Carson to get miracle-cured as well.....got to play the cards we are dealt

I have two questions

1) Does TJ like to ask questions?

2) Does TJ answer all the questions he asks, and does he like the word qualified and unqualified?

The answers to these questions are a qualified YES!

I'm just messing with you man, I agree with you on most everything you post.

Do you know his career QB rating? If not go look it up.

Can he throw the ball downfield? If not go look at some clips of him.

UNtil then go bitch to your 8 year old sister cause she would be a great person talk too since she knows as much about Jamie Martin as you do.

Good day to everyone.

Yes, I addressed all this in a prior thread where I posted some of his stats along with those of Kitna and Brian Griese.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Josh McCown?

Career touchdowns: 25

Career interceptions: 29

Career completion percentage: 57.8

Career rating: 72.1

**RED FLAG**

Most passes thrown in a season: 233

So let me get this straight, McCown has been a starter, and has barely thrown more touchdowns than Martin. In fact, he's barely thrown more passes than Martin in a season hasn't he? He certainly has thrown more interceptions though, hasn't he! Come on dude, get a grip. Martin is as good if not better than McClown.

[bengalboomer7]

Tension in the air, hu. That's OK, a Bengals free agency will do that to ya

It's like a millionaire driving a chevette.

[TJJackson]

Josh McCown?

Career touchdowns: 25

Career interceptions: 29

Career completion percentage: 57.8

Career rating: 72.1

**RED FLAG**

Most passes thrown in a season: 233

So let me get this straight, McCown has been a starter, and has barely thrown more touchdowns than Martin. In fact, he's barely thrown more passes than Martin in a season hasn't he? He certainly has thrown more interceptions though, hasn't he! Come on dude, get a grip. Martin is as good if not better than McClown.

Let's examine for a moment what offenses each QB has primarily operated in

Martin - St Louis Rams - known at one point in his career as the "greatest show on turf", with 3 legit thousand yard receivers and a top notch running back

McCown - Arizona Cardinals - known pretty much as one of the worst teams in the league

To review: McCown performed nearly as well in a very bad offense as Martin operated in one of the greatest offenses in the last 20 years

Thanks for your contribution, for what little value it had

[bengalindian]

I think that the Bengals should cut Palmer and give Jamie Martin Carson's deal.

[TJJackson]

Count on Bengalindian to make sense of it all :-)

[walzav29]

I am so happy God is done punishing us Bengal fans, and is moving the curse of the baby hands to another team. Martin is better than Kitna. Bottom line. He will be fine until Palmer gets back. Hopefully we'll have a defense that can carry the load until Palmer is back.

[ArmyBengal]

Let me reiterate one of my previous posts...

THERE ARE NO QB PROSPECTS THAT WOULD BE A STELLAR SIGNING !!!

Is there someone better than what we have at #2 now ?? Probably, but this by no means makes said individual stellar. I'll be VERY unimpressed with any QB the Bengals bring in to back up Carson when he's healthy. I've never said it before, but maybe the draft would be the way to go. Arrrrggggg !!!

WHODEY !!!

[BTG]

Let's examine for a moment what offenses each QB has primarily operated in

Martin - St Louis Rams - known at one point in his career as the "greatest show on turf", with 3 legit thousand yard receivers and a top notch running back

McCown - Arizona Cardinals - known pretty much as one of the worst teams in the league

To review: McCown performed nearly as well in a very bad offense as Martin operated in one of the greatest offenses in the last 20 years

BINGO.

I would also add that McCown is a compeltely different type of QB than Martin. He can make plays with his feet.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Josh McCown?

Career touchdowns: 25

Career interceptions: 29

Career completion percentage: 57.8

Career rating: 72.1

**RED FLAG**

Most passes thrown in a season: 233

So let me get this straight, McCown has been a starter, and has barely thrown more touchdowns than Martin. In fact, he's barely thrown more passes than Martin in a season hasn't he? He certainly has thrown more interceptions though, hasn't he! Come on dude, get a grip. Martin is as good if not better than McClown.

Let's examine for a moment what offenses each QB has primarily operated in

Martin - St Louis Rams - known at one point in his career as the "greatest show on turf", with 3 legit thousand yard receivers and a top notch running back

McCown - Arizona Cardinals - known pretty much as one of the worst teams in the league

To review: McCown performed nearly as well in a very bad offense as Martin operated in one of the greatest offenses in the last 20 years

BINGO.

I would also add that McCown is a compeltely different type of QB than Martin.

McCown had three top wide receivers to throw to. Bryant Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and even Larry Fitzgerald. He had everything Martin ever had. One of the major reasons McCown's AZ offense was so bad was.... that's right.... MCCOWN!

You're right about Martin, however, he was the backup for one of the greatest offenses in the league, and he stepped in each time and got the job done. Isn't that exactly what we are looking for? A guy with experience coming off the bench who can get the job done when he's thrust on to the field in one of the greatest offenses in the league?

[BTG]

McCown had three top wide receivers to throw to. Bryant Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and even Larry Fitzgerald. He had everything Martin ever had. One of the major reasons McCown's AZ offense was so bad was.... that's right.... MCCOWN!

Three top receivers? Since when is Bryant Johnson anything but a slot receiver? And let's not forget, despite how good Boldin and Fitzgerald might be, they're also young and prone to making mistakes.

Also, McCown's running backs in the past few years haven't exactly been what you would call "good."

Emmitt Smith (well past his prime)

JJ Arrington (worthless)

Marcel Shipp (nearly worthless)

Aside from that, McCown played in a poorly drawn up offense (before Denny Green arrived) with very little offensive line help. Meanwhile, Martin played under one of the best offensive schemes in the history of the NFL with two potential HOF receivers (one in the prime of his career) & a first-ballot HOF running back surrounding him and a fantastic o-line.

I'm sorry, but the stats argument does not hold water. Find something else, please.

[TJJackson]

Wow.

You honestly feel the Arizona offense of the last 2-3 years compares favorably to the Rams offense of the "greatest show on turf".

Words escape me to fully describe my incredulity, so instead, I'll just virtually wave goodbye to what was left of your credibility in this matter

*buh bye*

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Josh McCown?

Career touchdowns: 25

Career interceptions: 29

Career completion percentage: 57.8

Career rating: 72.1

**RED FLAG**

Most passes thrown in a season: 233

So let me get this straight, McCown has been a starter, and has barely thrown more touchdowns than Martin. In fact, he's barely thrown more passes than Martin in a season hasn't he? He certainly has thrown more interceptions though, hasn't he! Come on dude, get a grip. Martin is as good if not better than McClown.

There's a big difference. First, Martin played for St. Louis. Signing a QB from St. Louis is about as smart as signing a power hitter from Colorado - can you say inflated? Mc Cown spent his entire season flat on his ass since he didn't have the luxury of Orlando Pace sitting to his left.

A lot of McCown's INTs are the result of a ton of pressure and trying to throw with a 2-TD deficit - ie, throwing into nickle packages. Martin got to throw with tons of time to Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt. You've addressed the receivers partially, but the AZ receivers aren't in the same league as the StL ones, and given the pressure AZ allowed on the QB it barely mattered. David Carr's stats look bad too, but if he ever gets a chance to throw while upright he'll be great.

I don't think either one is a God, but McCown looked a lot better than Warner in AZ, who looked a lot better than Martin in StL. Yeah, Warner was hurt by the time he left StL...but not that much. You have to account for the differences between the teams, which you fail to do.

In other words, stat tunnel vision leads to ridiculous statements. Or do you want to sign that Rams guy from Harvard too, I hear he had a 400-yard game?

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Wow.

You honestly feel the Arizona offense of the last 2-3 years compares favorably to the Rams offense of the "greatest show on turf".

Words escape me to fully describe my incredulity, so instead, I'll just virtually wave goodbye to what was left of your credibility in this matter

*buh bye*

No, I'm saying that McClown was one of the primary reasons his team stunk. He had the targets, he just couldn't hit them enough. I'm saying that Marcell Shipp, JR Arrington, and any running back you put in can't get it done because noone respects McClown.

The wideouts on the Cards last year and the year prior did compare to Bruce and Holt.

[kingwilly]

Since there has been no word of McCwon coming in for a visit, I'm not sure the point of debating these two but what the hell.

If it comes down to comparing the two...there is not much difference in the stats....maybe an edge to McCown since he has more extended time as a starter.

The biggest concern I have with martin is age. I am 34 and was a professional cyclist for 9 years, i know what it is like to have world class fitness....and slowly lose it. Anyone here over 30 knows your body does not respond or bounce back like ti used to...the concern being that if, worst case, Carson sits till mid-season Martin's ability to bounce back week-to-week would not be as good as young mr. McCown's athleticism also is a major bonus..not sure Martin can catch a cold.

While both worked a very pass heavy offense, McCown offers the most upside: athleticism, youth, and toughness.

[TJJackson]

*laff*

[ArmyBengal]

Allow me to remind all involved that McCown won't be playing in Cincinnati and thereby making me ask, why the argument over something that has no bearing on the Bengals. Don't get me wrong, feel free to argue all you want, I just don't understand the point...

WHODEY !!!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Wow.

You honestly feel the Arizona offense of the last 2-3 years compares favorably to the Rams offense of the "greatest show on turf".

Words escape me to fully describe my incredulity, so instead, I'll just virtually wave goodbye to what was left of your credibility in this matter

*buh bye*

No, I'm saying that McClown was one of the primary reasons his team stunk. He had the targets, he just couldn't hit them enough. I'm saying that Marcell Shipp, JR Arrington, and any running back you put in can't get it done because noone respects McClown.

The wideouts on the Cards last year and the year prior did compare to Bruce and Holt.

The O-line didn't. Can't throw from your ass. And that offense down in AZ is a disaster because Denny Green won't quit screwing with it.

Again, backups from St. Louis will *always* be overvalued just like Denver RBs. Martin, Bulger, Warner, Fitzshateverhisname is, all mediocre at best.

[HairOnFire]

Nobody gets excited about a band-aid unless he's bleeding, and even then your mood isn't going to be best described as happy.

BTW, I actually have a Bengal jersey with Martin's name on it. No kidding. Oddly enough it's almost 20 years old and features number #88.

[TJJackson]

That'd be WR Mike Martin :-)

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