PhunkE1 Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 On this chart, that's 1,300 points. Our 24th is worth 740, so we need another 560. Is Perry worth that? Unlikely. Take, for example, the swap we did a couple years ago for Deltha. We had the 17th pick; Denver gave us the 24th, their 4th, and O'Neal. Denver's picks alone equaled 808 points, so Deltha was "worth" 142 points in that trade. And that's for a guy who at least had 1 pro bowl season to his credit. Perry has one season as a solid No. 2 and another with the famous "two carries." Is that going to bring value equal to the No. 2 pick in round 2? Even I -- a Perry supporter -- can't argue Perry has justified that.Bottom line for me is simply that it's tough to see Perry playing a significant part of any trade deal.I don't think you can use the Deltha example here. Deltha had totally fallen out of favor with Denver. Shanahan would have traded him for peanuts. I started this thread to see if people felt Super Mario was going to be the kind of stud his size and athleticism suggest. Whether Perry is part of the equation in a trade is beside the point. I just figured he would have some value to another team since he was a former 1st round pick. Is Mario going to be a Julius Peppers kind of player? If you think he will I'd like to see the Bengals try and move to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I don't think you can use the Deltha example here. Deltha had totally fallen out of favor with Denver. Shanahan would have traded him for peanuts.There are certainly others. Take the Jets-Oakland deal involving TE Doug Jolley last year, for instance. The Jets sent their 1st (no. 26) and 7th to thhe Raiders for Oaklands 2nd (15th in the round), a pair of 6th round picks, and Jolley. The respective pick values are about 710 vs. 447, so Jolley counted for about 263 points. Even if Perry is valued at that level trading up to the No. 10 spot (and we might need to go higher) would still mean waving goodbye to our first and second round picks.I started this thread to see if people felt Super Mario was going to be the kind of stud his size and athleticism suggest. Whether Perry is part of the equation in a trade is beside the point. I just figured he would have some value to another team since he was a former 1st round pick. Is Mario going to be a Julius Peppers kind of player? If you think he will I'd like to see the Bengals try and move to get him.I think he'll be a hell of a player. But to get him I suspect we would have to jump well into the top 10 -- like 5-8 -- to ensure getting him, and the price would be huge. With guys like Tamba Hali probably there at 24, or the Jets by then maybe willing take nothing more than a 1st for Abraham, I gotta say it shouldn't happen.Such is the price of a playoff season, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I started this thread to see if people felt Super Mario was going to be the kind of stud his size and athleticism suggest. Whether Perry is part of the equation in a trade is beside the point. No, it isn't beside the point. You started this thread by mentioning how much you'd like to see Mario Williams in stripes, speculated that he'd probably emerge from the combines as a top 5 pick, and then wondered what sort of trade package the Bengals could put together. Obviously, if the Bengals don't want to gut their entire draft this year by trading multiple high picks for Williams, they'll have to include a player from their roster who has some fairly substantial trade value. If not Perry, then who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 How about a Levi Jones? If you were approached by a team trying to trade down...you can bet they'd be aiming pretty high...for a Levi/TJ/DelthaI'd dangle TJ out there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 How about a Levi Jones? If you were approached by a team trying to trade down...you can bet they'd be aiming pretty high...for a Levi/TJ/DelthaI'd dangle TJ out there....No offense to your idea, but I would hate this if it were to happen. Especially given Palmer's uncertain status, the offensive line is the catalyst of our top five offense. Removing a Pro-Bowl caliber lineman could cause inconsistency, and that would inevitably drain over to the defense. I don't think any defensive end prospect is worth that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Unless you think Levi is unsignable for the long term, you have to keep him. He is awesome, athletic, and should be in the pro-bowl. He was definately worth the R1 pick the Bengals used on him. I know the Bengals took abuse for that pick but he was worth it. And he plays injured. He is a top line left tackle in the league. He is untouchable. You could not replace him. Unless you got D'Brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 This was not something I'm suggesting we do. It is an answer to HOF's question of "if not Perry, then who?".....who will it take...it will take a Levi ..a TJ...someone who is right on the edge of All-Pro...I think Mario is too big a risk...sure he will probably be a long-time fixture on whatever team he goes to...BUT let's not mortgage key components of the Offense (Perry, Levi, TJ) for a DE...Now, given the clinic put on by V. Davis...who wants to gamble by moving up to snag him????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 How about a Levi Jones?If I were looking at using someone on the o-line as trade bait, I would look more toward Willie (or Kooistra). But if I were going to do that, I think I'd be better served by approaching the Jets about Abraham. Given how they have basically sacked their entire o-line to get under the cap, I have to think they'd be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I just cringe when I think about losing any of our O-linemen. The thought of someone unknown to the organization coming in to protect Carson makes my stomach hurt... WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 If I were looking at using someone on the o-line as trade bait, I would look more toward Willie (or Kooistra). But if I were going to do that, I think I'd be better served by approaching the Jets about Abraham. Given how they have basically sacked their entire o-line to get under the cap, I have to think they'd be interested. You've mentioned using Willie as trade bait before and while it isn't as atractive to me as using Perry I can't reject the idea out of hand. The Jets need offensive lineman as badly as they need a young RB, Willie has repeatedly asked for more than the Bengals have wanted to pay him when approached about extending, he'll bring much more in trade return than Perry, and RT's are far easier to replace than LT's. Plus, I can't see the Bengals using a tag to restrict Willie when the time comes. Yeah, dangle him. As for Levi, he and his agent have said all the right things about extending his contract, his play has improved enough to garner pro bowl consideration, and due to his age I'd reluctantly decide that if he did become a FA the team should use a tag to restict his movement for at least one year. So for me he's not trade bait unless the Bengals have their sights on D'Brick....an idea that doesn't speak to my dark soul nearly as much as a trade that would result in a DE like Abraham or Super Mario in stripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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