walzav29 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 In the AFC North you have to stop the run, and run the ball. The Bengals tried desperately to get Shaun Rogers, the Dwayne Robertson, and a couple of years ago Warren Sapp and signed Sam Adams. They never aquired the 2 sumo wrestlers like Siragusa and Adams in Baltimore. That is why I think it will be BJ Raji after they trade a spot with the Raiders (they need Crabtree). They picked Whitworth in the 2nd and I never heard of him. I heard Charley Casserly say that Smith and Monroe weren't top 10 talent. So I think it will be Raji. On another note, I've come out of writing retirement because of the Bengals recent signings. So to you fan (mom) that missed me here you go. http://www.everyguys.com/nfl-blog.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 In the AFC North you have to stop the run, and run the ball. The Bengals tried desperately to get Shaun Rogers, the Dwayne Robertson, and a couple of years ago Warren Sapp and signed Sam Adams. They never aquired the 2 sumo wrestlers like Siragusa and Adams in Baltimore. That is why I think it will be BJ Raji after they trade a spot with the Raiders (they need Crabtree). They picked Whitworth in the 2nd and I never heard of him. I heard Charley Casserly say that Smith and Monroe weren't top 10 talent. So I think it will be Raji. On another note, I've come out of writing retirement because of the Bengals recent signings. So to you fan (mom) that missed me here you go. http://www.everyguys.com/nfl-blog.htmlI had it narrowed down to DT or OT too....Then they took "Chris Perry RB Michigan"(shudder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 In the AFC North you have to stop the run, and run the ball. The Bengals tried desperately to get Shaun Rogers, the Dwayne Robertson, and a couple of years ago Warren Sapp and signed Sam Adams. They never aquired the 2 sumo wrestlers like Siragusa and Adams in Baltimore. That is why I think it will be BJ Raji after they trade a spot with the Raiders (they need Crabtree). They picked Whitworth in the 2nd and I never heard of him. I heard Charley Casserly say that Smith and Monroe weren't top 10 talent. So I think it will be Raji. On another note, I've come out of writing retirement because of the Bengals recent signings. So to you fan (mom) that missed me here you go. http://www.everyguys.com/nfl-blog.htmlDoes anybody believe that the Bengals think Pat Sims is going to be a stud DT or is he more of a rotational type? Thinking more about it, I could definitely see the Bengals picking Raji in the hopes that he would make Geathers and Odom better, with more one-on-one opportunities. He has rare athleticism for his size, showed he was coachable at the Senior Bowl and has been solid through the Combine and his Pro Day. For years, we all wanted a 330 pound DT and as it was posted earlier, the Bengals unsuccessfully attempted to trade for 2 guys that fit the bill just last offseason. They could have an opportunity to get a future Pro Bowler in Raji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 In any other year, I like Raji a lot. I've wanted for a strong DLine for as long as I can rememberThat said, I think we need to give the rotation of Peko/Sims/Shirley a chance. Peko's shown a few things, Sims came on stronger than other more-touted rookie DTs, and now that Shirley has shown he can stay out of trouble for a whole season, I'm ready to give him and his enormous athleticism a chance as well. If you bring in Raji, you slow the development of these three.If they do draft Raji, it'll tell me that they've given up more or less on one of these three, without telling me which one or why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Does anybody believe that the Bengals think Pat Sims is going to be a stud DT or is he more of a rotational type?I think he'll be a stud defensive tackle he showed that last year what he did in a small amount of time....Thinking more about it, I could definitely see the Bengals picking Raji in the hopes that he would make Geathers and Odom betteWell I think he we would make em better players I don't see it improving our passrushing that much-He's not really known for being a passrusher and I don't see him really playing passing downs if we drafted him hence not really improving our passrush...He would greatly help our run Defense and make that even better but IMO best thing for passrush would let Geathers be our Mathis.....For years, we all wanted a 330 pound DT and as it was posted earlier, the Bengals unsuccessfully attempted to trade for 2 guys that fit the bill just last offseason. They could have an opportunity to get a future Pro Bowler in Raji.Last year and this year will be the Beefest Dlines the bengals ever sported....Defensive Tackles-Peko 6'3 325-Sims 6'2 320-Shirly 6'5 338Defensive Ends-Fanene 6'4 294-Rucker 6'3 280-geathers 6'3 273-Odom 6'5 260So with pretty beefy Defensive tackles looks like we could use some more speed at end position...Hence why they really should let Geathers drop some pounds and go back to doing what he did best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I love Simms and I think he can compare easily to Darnell Dockett after this season I think. He is a playmaker in the making. THat said I would love to have Raji because you can never have too many DT's. Use the Giants, Eagles formula. THe more DT's means fresher legs for all of them.I think that we will still trade down to take Maualuga. It is all up to Seattle, they will determine the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 So if we wanna stop run why not take a Maualuga and actually make our LB's a strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 So if we wanna stop run why not take a Maualuga and actually make our LB's a strength Im with you on that, theyll get BBQed for grabbing a MLB that early, but Im for giving the guys we got a chance. I think the 2 OTs will be gone and I dont think Mikey boy will allow a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I dunno maybe it's time MLB's start going early if their suppossed be so important to the defense.... time to make change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I dunno maybe it's time MLB's start going early if their suppossed be so important to the defense.... time to make change!I can see Kiper hyper ventilating as soon as we make our pick whoever it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I get so sick of hearing Kiper go on and on about the draft like what he says is an absolute. Talking about the draft is nothing but speculation and fun. I have fun talking about the possible moves and improvements, but get irritated with Kiper. When a pick is made he goes on and on about how some pick was a reach and what were they thinking when they did that kind of crap. Irritating.I still think a trade down is going to happen. There is much debate about which WR the Raiders truly want and the possibility of the Jags jumping them to get who they truly want. I would be happy with a trade down if for no other reason than it opens up who we look at and a side bonus of another pick. It would increase the odds of a defense player being taken in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBergey Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 What about this idea. I believe everyone would agree that a major problem for this team is not being able to rush the passer. What about trading 85 to the Giants for either Umenyiora or Tuck both proven pass rushers along with maybe a mid round pick as well. The Giants are starving for a WR and I just don't believe we're going to see the old 85 ever again. This will give some options for that first draft pick. Take a T if either Smith or Monroe are available, grab Crabtree or trade down. I would draft Smith or Monroe if available the other top T's have big question marks. If they are gone you have to take Crabtree and hope that you can get an injury free year from Levi and that Collins is the real thing. But please don't move Whit outside. Way to slowwwww.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 seeing how the jags released matt jones, i could see them as a trade partner for our spot so they can jump the raiders and get crabtree. he would fit their system i think. we could trade to their spot and pick ReyRey there and then use the 2nd rounder we get from the jags to get a C or OT or DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I would LOVE to see the Broncos start freaking out about Cutler wanting out and trade up from 12 to get Sanchez.I'm feeling better and better about the chances of trading down. I'm also of the thought that DT isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 i don't think cutler will be traded. trade away a pro bowler from a team with two top-tier WRs and a great TE and try to play with a rookie? pah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattyjay Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I don't see how DE is a "need" for the Bengals. I know last year their starters under-performed but that still would not justify a DE at #6. If you look at their roster they already have about 5 or 6 DE's and the starters aren't going anywhere. Add to that fact that Odom and Geathers are two of the highest paid players on the defense and I just can't see them taking a DE anywhere on the first day. They have to balance their roster with depth, talent, and money not just go out take a player at a position that under-performed last year.All of that said, one position where they have a lack of depth, talent, and not much money tied up is...RB. I know I don't want them to do it, but don't be utterly surprised if they take Knowshon Moreno to complement Benson. I would prefer they take Maualuga, but I'm not sure they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I don't see how DE is a "need" for the Bengals. I know last year their starters under-performed but that still would not justify a DE at #6. If you look at their roster they already have about 5 or 6 DE's and the starters aren't going anywhere. Add to that fact that Odom and Geathers are two of the highest paid players on the defense and I just can't see them taking a DE anywhere on the first day. They have to balance their roster with depth, talent, and money not just go out take a player at a position that under-performed last year.Um It's not how they just preformed last year...-For Geathers it's how he preformed his entire careering being his most successful season as passrush specialist on "Passing downs" then having two Down years-Good teams have good passrush look at the superbowl winners for the past 9 years everysingle one had good-great passrush...It's a weakness on our team and we need to improve it simple as that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Trying to narrow it down? Yeah, good luck with that. Frankly, I'm not sure where things stand now. The blue chip crop seems halved and the players who now rank as risers, like a BJ Raji, seem to be doing so based not so much on anything they've done, but rather because they somehow managed to avoid harming themselves in the ways so many other top prospects have done. In fact, beyond the example of Raji none of the so-called red chippers stepped up to take the place of fallen angels like Michael Oher or Andre Smith. Making matters even worse is the increasing odds Detroit will do the smart thing by passing on Stafford at #1. Bottom Line: Several months ago I guessed the odds the Bengals would overdraft an OT prospect at #6 were better than 80%, and despite the largely unexpected falls of both Michael Oher and Andre Smith those odds don't seem to be diminishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 i don't think cutler will be traded. trade away a pro bowler from a team with two top-tier WRs and a great TE and try to play with a rookie? pah.I say it's pretty likely after the shet that has gone down,worst case he'll ride the bench if no teams bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 jay cutler. ride the bench. sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I go back and fourth on who will/should be the pick pretty consistently. This draft just doens't seem as top heavy as a normal year, especially in the Top 10 projected picks. That said, you almost have to go with the player the Bengals feel offers the most upside. I don't really see anybody making an immediate impact on the team in '09, even guys like Jason Smith or Monroe. It seems like they all have considerable question marks this year. As far as potential goes, the rawest players with the most upside appear to be Maclin, Maybin and Brown, from the non-offensive linemen. I'd be happy if the Bengals can trade down, even if it means taking less value in a trade. I be OK with us moving down a few slots and maybe picking up a 4th. There's just not a huge difference between the player the Bengals might be able to get at #6 and the player they might get at #16, or even a few picks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 i see trading down as a definite option as well, but we should at least get a third- or second-rounder for moving down to the 10-15 range, where we pick ReyRey and go OT and C in the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 i see trading down as a definite option as well, but we should at least get a third- or second-rounder for moving down to the 10-15 range, where we pick ReyRey and go OT and C in the second round.My dream for April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzo Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 yup. except marvin and mike brown are drafting. so it'll be more like Crabtree at #6, RB in the second round, and P in the third... who needs OL and LBs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I see Denver trying to trade up with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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