Chopjaw Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Posted January 10, 2006 I'd gladly trade Maddox for Kitna. I think you're missing the point....perhaps deliberately. Kitna may be better than Maddox but all of the Bengals chances of beating the Steelers were riding on Palmer making the game a shootout and dictating the Steelers play from behind, eventually negating their running game. Most of us felt he could do just that because he's just that good. But the loss of Palmer changed everything, or didn't you notice the graphic showing Kitna attempting only one pass longer than 15 yards? BTW, I'm guessing you'd gladly trade Roethlisburger for Palmer....though I doubt you'd admit it.Dude there is no way ANY Steeler fan would want to trade Ben for Carson. They are both 2 different types of players. I suspect that you think that Palmer is a better passer than Ben? right? Well your wrong. The diff is that Ben is asked to play another role. Our team plays the Run first. Your's is Pass first. Ben threw 45 times a game in college, so he can throw. So for any person to say that Palmer is a better QB than Ben is quite frankly an IDIOT. Now I'm not saying that Ben is better than Carson. I'm saying that they are 2 different types of QB asked to play 2 different roles. YES Kitna is WAY BETTER than Turnover Tommy Maddox. There is a night and day diff between the 2. Maddox runs like he has 8" cleats. When this year did Palmer blow the Steeler out of the water?? When did Palmer show that he killed the Steelers?? Yea you wanted it to go to a shootout. So did I. The Steelers can play toe-to-toe with the bengals. The last game we played (if your an honest person) cincy got LUCKY with 2 long catches that went for a TD. Both time the CB had position and batted the ball and TJ came up with the catch. Both times the ball came back to him. That dosent happen too many times. Not to any player on any team. Yep the bengals are going to be a good team for many years to come. BUT, the division still comes thru Pittsburgh. Until you start to beat us every game. I see allot of split wins. Quote
HairOnFire Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Dude there is no way ANY Steeler fan would want to trade Ben for Carson. They are both 2 different types of players. You're right, they are two different types of players. Palmer is a Pro Bowl QB and a worthy NFL MVP candidate. Roethlisburger is protected and propped up. Sheesh, you act like Palmer couldn't hand off or complete a deep pass on a gimmick play. Quote
HairOnFire Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Yea you wanted it to go to a shootout. So did I. The Steelers can play toe-to-toe with the bengals. The last game we played (if your an honest person) cincy got LUCKY with 2 long catches that went for a TD. Both time the CB had position and batted the ball and TJ came up with the catch. Both times the ball came back to him. That dosent happen too many times. Any Steeler fan who claims that the Bengals got lucky when they whipped your team straight up in Pittsburgh is either an idiot or a troll. Which are you? I'm guessing both. Ben threw three picks that day including one into triple coverage. That's not luck. Nor are the number of points the Bengals offense scored, although I'm sure you've got an excuse for every play that didn't go the Steelers way. And your claim that you wanted the playoff game to be a shootout is just empty talk being offered after the fact by a fan who knows just how lucky his team was when Palmer went down after two snaps. BTW, save the condolences. You're nothing but a troll. In fact, I'd say there isn't a single Steeler fan still posting on this board who isn't hanging around just to be entertained by the angst of a pained fanbase that's far more upset by a major injury than a playoff loss. Quote
CT Stiller Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Dude there is no way ANY Steeler fan would want to trade Ben for Carson. They are both 2 different types of players. You're right, they are two different types of players. Palmer is a Pro Bowl QB and a worthy NFL MVP candidate. Roethlisburger is protected and propped up. Sheesh, you act like Palmer couldn't hand off or complete a deep pass on a gimmick play.Pro Bowl QB? So is Vick. What does that tell you about the Pro Bowl?All I can say is Ben completed a ridiculous 14 of 19 for over 200 yards. Again, he averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Forget the TDs, he was near perfect. Carson's going to be a great QB but I'd take Ben any day. Quote
Jet23 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Dude there is no way ANY Steeler fan would want to trade Ben for Carson. They are both 2 different types of players. You're right, they are two different types of players. Palmer is a Pro Bowl QB and a worthy NFL MVP candidate. Roethlisburger is protected and propped up. Sheesh, you act like Palmer couldn't hand off or complete a deep pass on a gimmick play.Pro Bowl QB? So is Vick. What does that tell you about the Pro Bowl?All I can say is Ben completed a ridiculous 14 of 19 for over 200 yards. Again, he averaged over 10 yards an attempt. Forget the TDs, he was near perfect. Carson's going to be a great QB but I'd take Ben any day.Come on, do you really believe Carson Palmer is not a great qb? If you are a Stiller fan and you actually wanted a shootout, you are a fool (kind of like punk Ward). Also, it is a lot easier to throw a pass when everyone is expecting you to run again. Quote
HairOnFire Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Yep the bengals are going to be a good team for many years to come. BUT, the division still comes thru Pittsburgh. Until you start to beat us every game. Actually, you'll always be listed as a 2nd place team this season because the division championship belongs to Cincy. No kidding, your team lost the division championship straight up, and at home. So no excuses please, because when you talk about the division championship coming through a city your team is Cincy's bitch. And never forget or confuse the fact that what your team won this Sunday was a playoff game that will always carry an asterick due to Palmer's injury. *Pro Bowl QB? So is Vick. What does that tell you about the Pro Bowl? It tells us that Roethlisburger isn't as good as Palmer or Vick...or plenty of others. Quote
Chopjaw Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Posted January 10, 2006 Dude there is no way ANY Steeler fan would want to trade Ben for Carson. They are both 2 different types of players. You're right, they are two different types of players. Palmer is a Pro Bowl QB and a worthy NFL MVP candidate. Roethlisburger is protected and propped up. Sheesh, you act like Palmer couldn't hand off or complete a deep pass on a gimmick play.No not at all. I'm just saying that for you all to be so pompous when it come to Palmer. Yep he is a good QB. BUT better than Roethlisburger I dont think so. Once again, totally 2 different QB's asked to do different things. Quote
Stripes Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 No not at all. I'm just saying that for you all to be so pompous when it come to Palmer. Yep he is a good QB. BUT better than Roethlisburger I dont think so. Once again, totally 2 different QB's asked to do different things. There is a good reason we have become so pompous in regards to Palmer. He has proven to everyone that he is at the very least deserving of being called a top five quarterback in the NFL. This entire arguement would be stupid bias in any other case, but the fact here is that 9 out of 10 non Bengals/Steelers fans would take Palmer over Ben in a heartbeat. Quote
Chopjaw Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Posted January 10, 2006 Yep the bengals are going to be a good team for many years to come. BUT, the division still comes thru Pittsburgh. Until you start to beat us every game. Actually, you'll always be listed as a 2nd place team this season because the division championship belongs to Cincy. No kidding, your team lost the division championship straight up, and at home. So no excuses please, because when you talk about the division championship coming through a city your team is Cincy's bitch. And never forget or confuse the fact that what your team won this Sunday was a playoff game that will always carry an asterick due to Palmer's injury. This year Yes. Once again your not getting it. Let me put it this way, Take Palmer out of 4 games this year against teams like the Steelers did and you tell me what your recored would be?? The Steelers have been biten by the injury bug all year. Playing with 2 rookie tackles for 3 games, playing without starting LB's your record would be different. Anyway, Your team got beat and you bengal fans cant take it. Does it suck?? YES! But the fact remains the same. Oh well, you can say what you want, the Division STILL comes thru Pitt. Winning one every 10 or so years DOES NOT make you contenders it makes you lucky PRETENDERS.... We shall see next year.Cya. Quote
Riagogogoindanati Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 So for any person to say that Palmer is a better QB than Ben is quite frankly an IDIOT.I THINK BEN SAID CARSON IS THE BETTER QB. Quote
Jet23 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 So for any person to say that Palmer is a better QB than Ben is quite frankly an IDIOT.I THINK BEN SAID CARSON IS THE BETTER QB.Riago....NICE! Quote
HairOnFire Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 No not at all. I'm just saying that for you all to be so pompous when it come to Palmer. Yep he is a good QB. BUT better than Roethlisburger I dont think so. Once again, totally 2 different QB's asked to do different things. You're hiding behind excuses. The fact reamins that Palmer is the Bengals best player and in the opinion of many was showing the potential to be one of the best QB's to ever play. He's asked to win games with his arm and his head and he frequently has to take unusual risks to make up for a substandard defense. Meanwhile, your own Steeler fans have admitted that Ben is a "Baby Kissed" game manager. The fact that he may be capable of more ignores the fact that his own head coach has been reluctant to abandon more conservative gameplans due to their success, and deliberately avoids shootouts whenever possible. The very idea that you actually wanted to see a shootout between Palmer and Ben implies that you are a moron who doesn't understand why his favorite team wins games. After all, you just witnessed a shootout Bengal/Steeler game a few weeks ago and the result was 3 picks by Ben, a Bengal victory, a tiger-striped division championship, and plenty of empty excuses from the likes of you. * Quote
Jet23 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Is it just me, or is this a long goodbye? Quote
Stripes Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 Is it just me, or is this a long goodbye? It's never a good idea to try and pull the "cya" deal in the middle of an argument... You put yourself in a terrible position... Can't have the last word. Quote
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