Well I'm back to bid you all a farewell

[Chopjaw]

First off, Palmer's hit was not dirty. I wish it would of never of happend. But dirty it was not. WE as fans have always looked at our team's with jaded eyes. Everything is dirty, cheap, bad call, the ref's our out to get us etc.... You all as fans who watched Kimo Von Olhoffen as a Bengal (those of you non-bandwagon fans ) would know that he dosent play like that. I have been watching him for awhile now and he has never portrayed to be a dirty player. So yea I know it sucks but that's the game. We as Steeler fan's got lucky this year on a monday night when Ben almost was lost for the season. His hit was not dirty, just another play in the game. Yea I know some Steeler fans were calling it dirty. But they dont answer for the whole Steeler nation. I do see the Bengals being a force to be reckoned with for MANY years to come. Face it, your team lost because of Defense. REMEMBER, you were winning the game. But like the last 2 games of the year, you lost because of defense. Yea it sucks! but the truth can hurt. Your team lived and died off of turnovers this year. When you dont get them you are forced to play the ball. This time it cost you your season. Please dont give me "if Carson was in the game, you would of got your arses killed". Wrong. it would not of happend. NOT a Division game. It's not going to happen. Remember you were winning the game until your D let you down.

Anyway, I wanted to stop by and wish you good luck with next year and I do hope Palmers knee shows no Ill effects.

Till next year.

Chop.

[turningpoint]

anywyas gl...o and watching peyton teara new a**h*** in the steelers pass defense sunday will and what should happened 3 hours ago with Carson Palmer.

all you guys did was delay the inevitable.

[duus]

First off, Palmer's hit was not dirty. I wish it would of never of happend. But dirty it was not. WE as fans have always looked at our team's with jaded eyes. Everything is dirty, cheap, bad call, the ref's our out to get us etc.... You all as fans who watched Kimo Von Olhoffen as a Bengal (those of you non-bandwagon fans ) would know that he dosent play like that. I have been watching him for awhile now and he has never portrayed to be a dirty player. So yea I know it sucks but that's the game. We as Steeler fan's got lucky this year on a monday night when Ben almost was lost for the season. His hit was not dirty, just another play in the game. Yea I know some Steeler fans were calling it dirty. But they dont answer for the whole Steeler nation. I do see the Bengals being a force to be reckoned with for MANY years to come. Face it, your team lost because of Defense. REMEMBER, you were winning the game. But like the last 2 games of the year, you lost because of defense. Yea it sucks! but the truth can hurt. Your team lived and died off of turnovers this year. When you dont get them you are forced to play the ball. This time it cost you your season. Please dont give me "if Carson was in the game, you would of got your arses killed". Wrong. it would not of happend. NOT a Division game. It's not going to happen. Remember you were winning the game until your D let you down.

Anyway, I wanted to stop by and wish you good luck with next year and I do hope Palmers knee shows no Ill effects.

Till next year.

Chop.

First, I believe this is smack material. Duh.

Second, it is true that if you give me Palmer with us up by 10, I really like our chances.

Third, you'll be joining us in 1 week, and then you'll be needing to consider what the next few years hold as the Bengals rise and Steelers drop. We could go back and forth on that, but time will tell. I smell it. It's coming. The winds of change are here.

[Ox]

Actually, your either kidding yourself or have never watched football if you think the game would not have been different if our MVP - Pro Bowl - Record breaking QB had actually played the game.

But yes, we'll talk with you next year. Along with the rest of the trolls.

Bon Voyage.

[Spain]

What goes around comes around to the dirtiest team in the leauge. I hope someone breaks bens legs,

[Kirkendall]

Well, first of all, I don't think this is smack. There's a lot of truths to this.

1. It wasn't a dirty hit. We know Kimo and loved the guy while he was here.

2. It WAS our defense that lost this game -- as we suspected might happen.

3. We lived and died off turnovers.

4. This is only the beginning of a possible rivalry that will last for awhile. God knows, ESPN, already has the stuff in their database.

5. The officating was very Steelers slanted, but that's ok. We win some, we lose some.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Our defense played well enough to win this game without Kitna throwing his usual Ints.

There were quit a few gifts given to the Steelers, from Kitna and the officiating crew.

How can KK be called for Pass interference when 2 series before TJ was violated, like a drunk cheerleader at a frat party, in the endzone? No call for one team should equal no call for the other.

This is just one of the many calls that seemed slanted against the Bengals, but this would have all been overcome with Palmer as QB.

[Kirkendall]

Our defense played well enough to win this game without Kitna throwing his usual Ints.

I guess you could make cases on both sides. But the defense didn't force anything at all in the 3rd Q, when the Steelers took the game over converting 100% of third down situations. Nor did the defense force the Steelers offense off the field -- Pitt had 10:16 time of possession in the 4th.

[TecmoFever]

Well, first of all, I don't think this is smack. There's a lot of truths to this.

1. It wasn't a dirty hit. We know Kimo and loved the guy while he was here.

2. It WAS our defense that lost this game -- as we suspected might happen.

3. We lived and died off turnovers.

4. This is only the beginning of a possible rivalry that will last for awhile. God knows, ESPN, already has the stuff in their database.

5. The officating was very Steelers slanted, but that's ok. We win some, we lose some.

I agree 100%.

[Chopjaw]

I forgot to add that I dont agree with the way some of the players on the Steelers played in the 1st qtr. That being said, TJ put a forearm into Townsend's groin. When he did that, that is when the Steeler started to play hard. It was shown on ESPN if you dont believe me. That my friends is what happens in a "Rubber Match" and a Divison Playoff game. If your team cant handle the other team's intensity then you lose. Once again, I do hope Carson's knee is 100% at the start of camp. I'm looking forward to the battles we are about to have over the next few years.

[Bengalbob]

Well, first of all, I don't think this is smack. There's a lot of truths to this.

1. It wasn't a dirty hit. We know Kimo and loved the guy while he was here.

2. It WAS our defense that lost this game -- as we suspected might happen.

3. We lived and died off turnovers.

4. This is only the beginning of a possible rivalry that will last for awhile. God knows, ESPN, already has the stuff in their database.

5. The officating was very Steelers slanted, but that's ok. We win some, we lose some.

Agree 100%!

[rob_justdmb]

We barely watched Kimo here, not because we're bandwagon fans, but because Kimo wasn't very good here.

[Chopjaw]

We barely watched Kimo here, not because we're bandwagon fans, but because Kimo wasn't very good here.

He has started every game since coming to Pitt. What's that tell you about your team..... He's a good DL.

[barnsleypgh]

We barely watched Kimo here, not because we're bandwagon fans, but because Kimo wasn't very good here.

Which just goes to prove that the Steelers have a better coaching staff.

[BengalByTheBay]

Newsflash -- our defense isn't very good. You know what, it hasn't been all year. When we win, we do so by putting tremendous pressure on the offense of the other team by playing with a lead and forcing them to feel that they need to score on every possession. That, in a nutshell, was our season. We (along with almost every one of the teams making the playoffs, including Pitt. but excluding maybe Chicago and Jax) relied HEAVILY on our ProBowl QB. It explains not only why the game was over on offensive play #2, but why it didn't matter that we had a lead for a while. Our defense turned the ball over because of the pressure on the opposing offense. It forced offenses, including Pitt., to make mistakes. If we're not in a position of putting the opponent under that kind of sustained pressure -- we lose. It has happened even in games where CP just didn't play well himself. That said -- an underperforming Palmer is still straight up better than Kitna at his best. It's probably not much different for other teams. While it's wrong to say we win every time with CP in the game -- it's more wrong to say that it made no difference. Thinking anything else is delusional. This game, in effect, says not too much about the Steelers.

We barely watched Kimo here, not because we're bandwagon fans, but because Kimo wasn't very good here.

Which just goes to prove that the Steelers have a better coaching staff.

You have a better defensive coordinator. I don't even think Pittsburg fans think they have a better HC.

[Spain]

f**k you. that was dirty, go and f**k yourself.

[TIMEsteelersfan]

Boo Hoo... How about admitting they lost because they were outplayed at multiple positions. Try that one on for size.

[jjakq27]

We barely watched Kimo here, not because we're bandwagon fans, but because Kimo wasn't very good here.

Which just goes to prove that the Steelers have a better coaching staff.

Dick LeBeau was the DC when Kimo was here from 1997 - 1999.

[BengalByTheBay]

Boo Hoo... How about admitting they lost because they were outplayed at multiple positions. Try that one on for size.

The Squeelers were outplayed at multiple positions as well through large parts of the game. And if you're talking to me, I didn't say we would've won the game. Go back and read it again if you think I did. The game would've been different -- you dispute that as much as you want but it's true. If you think bengals fans are pu**ies for discussing the way this went down -- just how do you think the Squeeler fans would act if Ben went down and you lost? You think a single one of your fans would admit that it had no effect on the game. Check yourself.

[TIMEsteelersfan]

Boo Hoo... How about admitting they lost because they were outplayed at multiple positions. Try that one on for size.

The Squeelers were outplayed at multiple positions as well through large parts of the game. And if you're talking to me, I didn't say we would've won the game. Go back and read it again if you think I did. The game would've been different -- you dispute that as much as you want but it's true. If you think bengals fans are pu**ies for discussing the way this went down -- just how do you think the Squeeler fans would act if Ben went down and you lost? You think a single one of your fans would admit that it had no effect on the game. Check yourself.

That's a nice rant, however I was talking to Spain... he's done nothing but tell people "F*** you" or "Go F*** yourself" This guy has nothing intelligent to say... at least not today.

Now onto your post... I've never once disputed that the game would have been different. It absolutely would have been, but we'll never know who would have won. IMO had you brought a defense you still could have won that game. Early with a running game as support Kitna played well, but in the second half... no running game, no success for Kitna. If your D had kept us to around 20 points or so then Kitna wouldn't have been in passing mode for the entire forth Quarter and the game could have turned out differently.

[Spain]

f**k you steelers fans come to cincy next year. Cheap bastards, you knew you couldnt beat us so you went low. Dont you think are players are not thinking the same thing. And as far as coming to Cincy for the games think twice.

[BengalByTheBay]

Boo Hoo... How about admitting they lost because they were outplayed at multiple positions. Try that one on for size.

That's a nice rant, however I was talking to Spain... he's done nothing but tell people "F*** you" or "Go F*** yourself" This guy has nothing intelligent to say... at least not today.

Now onto your post... I've never once disputed that the game would have been different. It absolutely would have been, but we'll never know who would have won. IMO had you brought a defense you still could have won that game. Early with a running game as support Kitna played well, but in the second half... no running game, no success for Kitna. If your D had kept us to around 20 points or so then Kitna wouldn't have been in passing mode for the entire forth Quarter and the game could have turned out differently.

First of all -- thanks, I enjoyed it a little. Hate to agree with you but, yes, Spain is a moron. He once did have something reasonably intelligent to say, but I forgot what it was. I understood your post as a response and, as it was not, it doesn't sound like we really disagree. I'm getting a hair trigger with the Kitna is just as good as Palmer posts. My favorite (sadly) line from Simms during the game was that they didn't have to change the game plan for Kitna....laughable. I think Kitna was suprisingly good for a half, but is simply too easy to adjust the game plan to for most defenses. After halftime, you dared him to throw and got what can be expected. We did get away from the running game too quickly, but that was probably out of a sense of impending doom that we had to score more points. I actually think it was a mistake because we were able to hold the ball for long drives previously because of the run. All of the sudden, we're throwing on first down every time and we've got 3rd and 6 - 9 every time. Putting Kitna in that position is living on borrowed time as an offense. A few conversions and then the circus starts. A defense that can control the game is not a luxury we have had this year. The turnovers always came from the desperation of the other team when it realized that they could not put up enough points running the ball to keep up with us. Anyway -- it's all academic. A loss would have been devastating. The loss of the best player on our team is pretty harsh to take on top of it. And...probably the most disappointing for me is that I was really looking forward to seeing a focused Palmer getting to work in a game this big. My guess is - as a football fan - you probably were too. We can argue about what would have resulted, but it sucks not having been able to see it happen.

[HairOnFire]

I'm getting a hair trigger with the Kitna is just as good as Palmer posts. My favorite (sadly) line from Simms during the game was that they didn't have to change the game plan for Kitna....laughable. I think Kitna was suprisingly good for a half, but is simply too easy to adjust the game plan to for most defenses. After halftime, you dared him to throw and got what can be expected.

I'm guessing that the same Steeler fans arguing that the loss of a starting QB was no big deal had very different things to say after the Steelers lost to the Jags.

As for the Bengals, I think they played on emotion for the 1st half and managed a good showing, but once they broke for the half the moment was lost. And sadly, whatever resolve they might have showed in the 2nd half quickly evaporated after the snap sailed over the holders head.

[CT Stiller]

f**k you steelers fans come to cincy next year. Cheap bastards, you knew you couldnt beat us so you went low. Dont you think are players are not thinking the same thing. And as far as coming to Cincy for the games think twice.

I think he's 12. He probably just learned these words. Out of curiosity, what do you plan on doing to Steelers fans if they come to Cincinnati?

I'm guessing that the same Steeler fans arguing that the loss of a starting QB was no big deal had very different things to say after the Steelers lost to the Jags.

Maddox is horrible. You obviously didn't see that game if you think otherwise. He signle-handedly lost that game. It's hard to say if Kitna's better, I thought he did an amazing job a couple of years ago, but he could be the next "Maddox". Kitna had a couiple of bonehead plays in this game but in the first half he was the money. Obviously the game would have been much different had Palmer played, but it's football, injuries happen. I still honestly believe the Steelers would hav won though.

I'd gladly trade Maddox for Kitna.

[HairOnFire]

I'd gladly trade Maddox for Kitna.

I think you're missing the point....perhaps deliberately. Kitna may be better than Maddox but all of the Bengals chances of beating the Steelers were riding on Palmer making the game a shootout and dictating the Steelers play from behind, eventually negating their running game. Most of us felt he could do just that because he's just that good. But the loss of Palmer changed everything, or didn't you notice the graphic showing Kitna attempting only one pass longer than 15 yards?

BTW, I'm guessing you'd gladly trade Roethlisburger for Palmer....though I doubt you'd admit it.