LaVar Arrington

[NYBengalfan]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

[Jet23]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

I have not seen him play. Is he close to full speed?

[LB51]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

I think he may be too expensive considering we need help elsewhere. Besides, he's shown to be a bit of a mal-content.

[bengalboomer7]

Uuhhh, NO

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

And bench Odell? No way. For what it's worth, Arrington and the Redskins coaches have been making up since the beginning of the season.

[NYBengalfan]

Im not saying to bench Odell, I mean keep Odell and have Arrington adjust. I think that we would finally have that run stopping defense, besides Odell would only benefit from his presence, he would learn a lot.

[Section 310]

His health is an issue. He has at least one bad wheel.

[Spain]

We need linemen, bring on hovan and archuleta!

[Whur CHad At?]

No don't bring in Archeleta...bring in Tank Williams

And Lavar plays on the outside, he doesn't play middle. SO he would likely take over Pollacks spot, and Pollack would move to end.

And as for Arrington being to expensive...uh no...we have the 3rd highest amount of money to spend in the offseason, which is I think 29.5 mil, Joisey you can verify that, but he is not too expensive and we have plenty of money. We won't get him because he has issues.

[HoosierCat]

And as for Arrington being to expensive...uh no...we have the 3rd highest amount of money to spend in the offseason, which is I think 29.5 mil, Joisey you can verify that, but he is not too expensive and we have plenty of money. We won't get him because he has issues.

According to Adam Schecter over at nfl.com, we're about $20 million under the projected cap for 2006.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9117553

That was on the 26th. As far as I can tell, Carson's extension means he will count about $9 million vs. the 2006 cap, up from $7 million under his original deal. So that knocks it down to $18 million or so now.

We could get Lavar, but IMHO we have bigger priorities.

[Whur CHad At?]

Yeah but I thioguht the Carson Extension freeed up a ton more cash..?

[HoosierCat]

Yeah but I thioguht the Carson Extension freeed up a ton more cash..?

I initially thought it would, but the Bengals appear to have taken a different route. As far as I can tell, his cap hit over the next 3 years will be in the neighborhood of $36 million, which is on the order of $15 million more than it would have been under his rookie deal. The payoff for the Bengals is that while Carson's hit (again, as far as I can tell) will be about $9 million in 2006, and go up to somewhere around $13 or $14 million in 2007...it basically stays at about $13 million/year for the rest of the contract. So the Bengals take a bit of a cap hit up front, but in the long run this becomes a huge bargain.

(All of this of course assumes that the league doesn't go to crap in an uncapped year in '07...)

[Whur CHad At?]

Well it says on ESPN that one of the reasons they did this deal was becuase it freed up room for the Bengals to sign more players next year and in 2007.

[DontPushMe]

Id say LB Is the only position im not too worried about. I think Johnson Thurman and Pollack will be a fine LB core. It would never hurt to add a playmaker like Arrington but our concerns should be on getting a good SS and DT or pass rusher, then filling whichever of the 3 isnt filled in free agency in the draft. Id also like to see us get a TE in the 2nd or 3rd round, not the first though.

[kentjett]

I agree w/ dontpushme, we need to concentrate on our defensive line and a strong safety. I love Lavar and would be thrilled to see him in stripes but it is highly unlikely. We could move him to Defensive end, he would be a force on the end.

[HoosierCat]

Well it says on ESPN that one of the reasons they did this deal was becuase it freed up room for the Bengals to sign more players next year and in 2007.

It does that by freeing up money down the road. If we were to sign, say, Levi to a conventional 7 year, $60 million deal, including, say a $20 million signing bonus, in 2006 (and I just pulled that figure out of the air, I have no idea what the going rate for LTs is offhand), all that would count against the 2006 cap would be his salary (likely low, say $2 million) and about $3 million worth of the signing bonus, for a total hit of about $5 million.

The problem comes four years down the road when his signing bonus still prorates at $3 million a year but his salary has ballooned to, oh, say $7 million for a total cap hit of $10 million. Now the team needs more space, and the fact that Palmer's cap number isn't going up, or is just edging up slowly, gives them that.

[jrandom42]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

Not no, but heck NO! Too injured, too expensive and, according to Marvin, WAY too undisciplined! For the kind of money he would want, he'd want start. Who do you bench of our starting linebackers? Marvin screamed at him in private all of 2002 for his freelancing and allowing big plays. He'd be a serious negative influence on a young defense, especially on Odell and Pollack. NO! NO! NO!

[CantStop85]

I'd love it...but yeah, we can't keep ignoring the defensive line.

[alleycat]

Not Arrington, but we do need a serious Pass rushing threat.

I think one of the things that get overlooked about our secondary is that opposing quaterbacks have LOADS of time to throw because of our lack of pass rush. I think most of us can agree that nearly ALL of our sacks this year came because their quaterback held onto the ball too long because no one was open (because of the strength of our db's). I actually can't remember a single sack that didn't come after the QB running this way and that before finally getting dragged down from behind (usually by Justin running back downfield after him).

A little less time from a little more pressure might be that magic fix that we need - of course, assuming we get a passable safety in the draft. Which leads to the next point.

We will not get any of the premier DE's or DT (there are VERY few at either position worthy of 1st round picks (and those that are will be gone when we pick). Besides, both positions are notoriously difficult to draft. We should desperately try to fill these through FA. There will be a very good DB available at our pick, as well as some incredible WSLB talent and O-Line possibilities.

[walshfan]

No to Arrington.... health issues have hampered his abilities to be as productive as expected and he's never shown the ability to stay focused on playing within the defensive schemes.. he's allways been one to look for the spectacular play and forget about team defense..

In a sense he's for Levar and not the team..

This is why he's in Gibb's doghouse...

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Id also like to see us get a TE in the 2nd or 3rd round, not the first though.

We don't need a tight end. Don't be surprised if we flat out quit lining one up by the time Carson's contract runs out. It's more likely that we line up an extra tackle than draft a TE on the first day.

PS: Arrington is the most unneccessary malcontent out there. Our linebacking core is fine. We have a good rotation, and even some of the guys who DONT play are more than capable.

Defensive Line, Safety, Offensive Line, and Best Players at any position are our keys to success in the future.

[cover2]

How many free agents do we add to the club in 06? Is there any way we do three?

[redsfan2]

Once again LaVar Arrington is back in the dog house of Joe Gibbs, and he made some comments about his future in Washington....... and I was wondering if there would be a chance that we could see him in stripes next year and help out our run Defense.

Personally I would love it

Yes Yes Yes we get Arrington in here. Give him a 3 year deal loaded with incentives that saves us enough money to sign ............ TO ............. Arrington AND Owens .. from the doghouse to the Penthouse in Cincy.

Bring 'em in NOW we need 'em

[scott91575]

I know people love the free agent splash idea, but this team is setting up by building from within. Palmer's contract is done so they can sign guys in 2007 and beyond. Those guys are already on the team. There will be a couple of free agents next year, but more than likely role players. This team has 4 or more holes (all defense in my estimation - safety, DT, DE, and a CB...James will be gone after 06), and hopefully they don't plug those holes with expensive free agents only to watch more holes open.

In my estimation Arrigton is another Sapp. It will cost a ton for an average player that made a name for himself at another time. This team doesn't need to reach for him. This team is 1 or 2 successful draft picks away from an elite team, not 1 or 2 free agents away.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I know people love the free agent splash idea, but this team is setting up by building from within. Palmer's contract is done so they can sign guys in 2007 and beyond. Those guys are already on the team. There will be a couple of free agents next year, but more than likely role players. This team has 4 or more holes (all defense in my estimation - safety, DT, DE, and a CB...James will be gone after 06), and hopefully they don't plug those holes with expensive free agents only to watch more holes open.

In my estimation Arrigton is another Sapp. It will cost a ton for an average player that made a name for himself at another time. This team doesn't need to reach for him. This team is 1 or 2 successful draft picks away from an elite team, not 1 or 2 free agents away.

Couldn't agree more. Teams do NOT get good by trying to plug major holes via big-name free agents. They do it by drafting well and signing role-player FAs that fit into the system. Compare the approach of the Patriots to, say, the Raiders.

As far as Arrington goes, he doesn't fit with the Bengals. They already have one aggressive LB (Odell), they don't need a freelancer like Arrington. And contrary to the suggestions of some, I *don't* want a young LB learning from Arrington (kind of like I wouldn't want a young QB learning from Favre).

I don't think he's a Sapp, however, simply because Arrington's stock is as low as it could be right now, and Sapp was still attracting elite-DT money. I think he'll be a good pickup for someone, because I still think he has something in the tank, but not with us.

As an aside, I really think Marvin and company have exactly the right approach, getting reasonably-priced FAs who work within the system. The only question is when they shift from "rebuilding" to "win" mode in the draft. By that I mean, they have to consider positional need at least some in coming years instead of just raw ability. DT and S can not be ignored any longer.