Kazkal Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 BS Norte dame ranked 25th is going to face OSU instead of oregon ranked 5th)Hopfully this overlook of oregon will happen in the draft and will get ngata "The BCS DebateHaloti Ngata~~~~(((you can see it in his eyes he wants to be a bengal)))~~~~~Oregon. Notre Dame. Ohio State. These three teams will likely be the ones sweating it out on Sunday for the two BCS at-large bids. Who deserves to go?By Mitch LightAthlon SportsPublished: Dec. 2, 2005There are two spots available. There are (at least) five worthy teams. Who deserves to go?No, we aren’t talking about the Rose Bowl, which will pit the top two teams in the final BCS standings. That is a forgone conclusion — assuming both USC and Texas take care of business this week. We are talking about the bottom two spots in the BCS, the two at-large teams that will compete in a prestigious bowl and receive a huge paycheck.For argument’s sake, let’s assume that USC and Texas will meet in the Rose Bowl and the other four automatic bids will go to Penn State (Big Ten), LSU (SEC), Virginia Tech (ACC) and West Virginia (Big East).Which teams will be so lucky as to receiver the final two spots? There are plenty of schools that would love to be in the mix, but we can whittle a potential list of five down to three pretty quickly. Auburn and Miami both have just two losses and played against some very good competition. But realistically, the Tigers and Canes have very little chance of receiving an at-large invitation, and both clubs can blame their predicament on a loss to Georgia Tech. The Yellow Jackets knocked Miami out of contention with a surprising 14-10 win at the Orange Bowl two weeks and also handed Auburn a home loss back in the first week of the season. The Tigers, who won at Georgia and also beat Alabama, can make a case for being the best two-loss team in the country, but their argument will likely fall on deaf ears.That leaves three teams — Ohio State, Oregon and Notre Dame — fighting for two spots. Ohio State is the most deserving. The Buckeyes, the Big Ten co-champs, have just two losses — by three points to Texas (the No. 2 team in the BCS) and by seven points at Penn State (the No. 3 team). Now, the Buckeyes don’t have very many quality wins, but they have two ‘good’ losses, and that is what separates them from the pack.We are now left with Notre Dame (9–2) and Oregon (10–1). This is where it gets very interesting. Both teams lost to No. 1 USC, but Notre Dame was far more impressive in its defeat. The Irish dropped a 34–31 thriller at home on a touchdown on the final play from scrimmage. Oregon, on the other hand, lost to USC 45–13 (also at home) and was outgained by over 300 yards. But that is the Ducks’ only loss of the season. Notre Dame also lost at home to Michigan State, a team that won just five games after opening the season with a 4–0 record. So the Irish have one very good loss (a positive) and one bad loss (a negative). In addition, only three of Notre Dame’s nine wins came against teams will end the regular season with a winning record — Michigan (7–4), BYU (6–5) and Navy (6–4 prior to the Army game). Oregon, meanwhile, has four victories over ‘winning’ teams — Fresno State (8–3 prior to the Louisiana Tech game), Houston (6–5), Arizona State (6–5) and Cal (7–4).There’s one caveat in the Oregon equation. The Ducks’ starting quarterback, senior Kellen Clemens, has missed the past three games with an injury and will not be available in a bowl game. Oregon won all three with backups Dennis Dixon and Brady Leaf running the show, but the Ducks are clearly not the same team without Clemens in the lineup.Should this hurt their candidacy? Probably not, but it will be a convenient excuse for a bowl that chooses not to select the Ducks.>>>>>>>>>>>So what’s the verdict — who will get the final spot? The best guess is that Notre Dame, due to its national appeal, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<will play Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. But that would be wrong. Oregon, with it’s 10 overall wins and 7–1 record in a very good Pac-10, is more deserving of the final spot in the BCS.The Ducks, not the Irish, should receive the huge paycheck and make the trip to Tempe to face the Buckeyes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMThor Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Honestly Oregon should look at FSU first. Can't blame OSU or ND for this one. This is a BS BCS call. I hate the BCS with a passion. Oregon is good, but dammit they won't draw a following as will the other teams in the BCS, so they are out. It is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Oregon is sort of getting the shaft here. The Fiesta Bowl even has contractual connections with the Pac Ten, so it must have been a tough choice. I admit, I'd love to see my Buckeyes take on Notre Dame, but it sucks that a deserving Oregon team will get left out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 When you get picked to go to a bowl game because your "national appeal" is greater than someone elses is complete bulls**t! Oregon's only loss was to USC. What else could they do? What a f**ked up system we have. When is someone going to say something about the ACC? If an 8-4 team was representing the Big East the media would be all over that. It probably kills them that the Mountaineers are 10-1. They were all picking USF to beat WV to earn the bid too. When are these jackasses going to realize how stupid this system is? The answer - never because money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I feel bad for Oregon because they definitely got screwed. But I'm happy that OSU gets to beat Notre Dame the day after the Bengals clinch the #2 seed. I think the BCS will be forced to change in the next 2-5 years and some sort of playoff system will be implemented, whether it be a 4 team playoff, or an extra game after the bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted December 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I battle of the O's would have been nice but I hope OSU destroys notredame like bad like 70-0 bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 When is someone going to say something about the ACC? If an 8-4 team was representing the Big East the media would be all over that. It probably kills them that the Mountaineers are 10-1. They were all picking USF to beat WV to earn the bid too. When are these jackasses going to realize how stupid this system is? The answer - never because money talks.AMEN!and these over-sized conferences are not the answer.The BigEast WAS a great conference and it might be again. At least the spirit of a round robin lives. I'm so happy the seminoles will represent the Acc #24 and looking fine in the BCS eff U, VT and BCWV might be able to take GA. Heck, KY ran on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 When is someone going to say something about the ACC? If an 8-4 team was representing the Big East the media would be all over that. It probably kills them that the Mountaineers are 10-1. They were all picking USF to beat WV to earn the bid too. When are these jackasses going to realize how stupid this system is? The answer - never because money talks.AMEN!and these over-sized conferences are not the answer.The BigEast WAS a great conference and it might be again. At least the spirit of a round robin lives. I'm so happy the seminoles will represent the Acc #24 and looking fine in the BCS eff U, VT and BCWV might be able to take GA. Heck, KY ran on them. You're right. I really think that within a few years South Florida is going to be something special just because of where they are located. Louisville will always be at the top. If Syracuse can halfway get their s**t together like the Syracuse of old. UConn will be good and Pitt will be very good in the future. Wanstedt is really bringing in some recruits. Rutgers looks better but I just can't fathom depending on Rutgers to be good. Time will tell. The bottom line is there isn't a better conference to give the BCS bid to. Who would they give it to? WAC? Mountain West? Conference USA? They might take it away altogether though. But the damn thing was supposed to be for the champions of major conferences and while the Big East is down no doubt it is still a better option than the rest.As for WV, I sure hope you are right. Arkansas played with Georgia too. The thing that worries me is the Mountaineers' youth. They are young everywhere, but they sure do have a couple stud freshman toting the rock. Georgia just dominated LSU though. I do think they will hang with em. I'm not prepared to say the BCS bid is ours for the next 3 years but the future looks very bright for West Virginia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 If I was the Fiesta Bowl I wouldn't want those uniforms on my field either...It's all about selling the joint out and TV ratings....sorry Oregon but ND-OSU will have huge ratings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 You're right. I really think that within a few years South Florida is going to be something special just because of where they are located. Louisville will always be at the top. If Syracuse can halfway get their s**t together like the Syracuse of old. UConn will be good and Pitt will be very good in the future. Wanstedt is really bringing in some recruits. Rutgers looks better but I just can't fathom depending on Rutgers to be good. Time will tell. The bottom line is there isn't a better conference to give the BCS bid to. Who would they give it to? WAC? Mountain West? Conference USA? They might take it away altogether though. But the damn thing was supposed to be for the champions of major conferences and while the Big East is down no doubt it is still a better option than the rest.As for WV, I sure hope you are right. Arkansas played with Georgia too. The thing that worries me is the Mountaineers' youth. They are young everywhere, but they sure do have a couple stud freshman toting the rock. Georgia just dominated LSU though. I do think they will hang with em. I'm not prepared to say the BCS bid is ours for the next 3 years but the future looks very bright for West Virginia.I hope you're right about the Big East. I don't think the coach at Syracuse is going to work out; just like the fellow at Nebraska hasn't. You best not count on Rutgers being any good. I think UConn is the most likely school to put together a consistantly winning program, but South Florida and Louisville may well do the trick. SF may be one of best up and coming programs in the country. If they can keep scheduling schools like they did this year, they will be a force in the conference.As for no respect to the conference, have a look at the bowl lines. Not a single school is favored. Back on topic:Oregon has a good team, but money talks. I'm sure Miami is peeved about FSU taking the BCS slot, but they are there only for the additional revenue the 'championship' game brought them. Besides, their payout won't differ much anyhow.Money may well ruin College football. If it hasn't already. Championship Saturday was quite a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I wish this would spark a massive boycott of college football next year untill the BCS was changed to a playoff. I would be more than happy to not watch a single college football game next year if it meant college football playoffs would come out of it. Of course, I'm a Kentucky fan so it would actually be saving me a lot of grief too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Unfortunately boycotting college football in the US would be like boycotting Christmas....The problem is college football is run by elitist AD idiots that only have one thing in mind...money...BCS schools especially are whores. Oh, except UC who puts academics above athletic play ...what a crock...anyone who tells you college athletics are about the student-athlete are full of crap....ZIMPHER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 after that debocal last night glad they didnt make it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Yeah, that was bad. Hard for a one-loss Pac Ten team to not be a bit overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMThor Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Sometimes I get the feel during a game that a team thinks that they are too good to be there, stuck in a crappy bowl game. I got that feel this year from Michigan and Oregon(e). Both teams seemed to come in very arrogant and threw up eggs.I'm not going to even mention Miami, they get crushed then get into a fight in the tunnel? I hate them so. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 after that debocal last night glad they didnt make it inmybe they coulden't get their hearts in too it sense bcs screwed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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