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[UK Bengal]

When Cincinnati put together a decent drive Johnson turned the wrong way on Palmer's deep pass and couldn't get to it. But Johnson and Palmer got into it on the sideline, and Lewis had to separate them.

But Johnson complained after the game that Palmer wasn't trying hard enough to get him the ball.

"They didn't get it to me period!" said Johnson, who had five receptions for 52 yards. "They doubled me the whole game. That happens every week. Does that mean that when a team doubles me that I'm through? It's not too hard to get it to (Terrell Owens) or Randy Moss."

oh dear oh dear guess thats what you get when he consorts with a piece of s**t like rosenhaus

[Stripes]

I don't interpret this incident in the same manner. When Chad and Carson were yapping on the sidelines, it was out of frustration. He wasn't getting the ball often, but in this artice he never directly accuses Palmer of the problem. I think he was disappointed in himself for not getting open much in the double coverage.

Chad has had such high hopes for this season. He was all over the place during the offseason ranting about his Bengals and how they would be in the playoffs. He is primed for a magical season, and he didn't plan on losing any games. I'm not calling him the next Corey Dillon either, because he is placing so much of the blame on himself.

[smith288]

I took it as Chad being a whiney arse baby. He is insinuating that Carson needs to heave it up in double coverage and im pretty sure Carson doesnt like that idea.

Chad needs to chill out. The season isnt over so there is no need to blow any gaskets just yet.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Chad wants to win. He knows he can get to the ball, and he's willing to take the risk. He believes in Carson Palmer, so he wants the ball. He's excited and frustrated. How many of you weren't shouting get the damned ball to chad as we had drives stopped? How many of you weren't cursing as other WRs couldn't get it done? Chad was just like you, only he was on the field trying to make it happen.

[schweinhart]

I'd be disappointed if Chad weren't p*ssed.

The Jags didn't stop him as much as other circumstances. If Walter don't twitch in the slot on Chad's double move deep, he winds up with 2 TDs and 100yds receiving. The sideline stop about 15 yds downfield when he got unceremoniously drilled on a ball way too far over his head was another.

Chad did vanish for what seemed like 2 full quarters after getting lots of balls thrown his way in the 1st. But the playcalling was having some success going elsewhere and Palmer was making solid reads all game. I believe the drop off from Housh to Walter was the biggest factor in Chad not getting a few more looks.

I still think Chad gets to mark "No" on his dipsh*t list. But I hope he's sick in the gut when he does it and wants to take it out big time on somebody next week.

[cincykent]

Chad's act is beginning to get a little old. He reminds me of TO more every day when TO first began to become a media star. I hope Marvin can keep him grounded.

[ahanes]

I'm starting to wonder about Johnson too. He's got one of the best young QB's in football throwing to him and he starts whining like a little b*tch whenever things don't go his way. I hate to tell ya Chad, but Houshmanzadeh and Chris Henry are pretty damn good receivers, so every ball won't be going your way. Especially if you're getting double-teamed the whole game.*

[DesperateDerelict]

I'd be disappointed if Chad weren't p*ssed.

The Jags didn't stop him as much as other circumstances. If Walter don't twitch in the slot on Chad's double move deep, he winds up with 2 TDs and 100yds receiving. The sideline stop about 15 yds downfield when he got unceremoniously drilled on a ball way too far over his head was another.

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AMEN! I think that Walter twitch was the turning point of the game - We'll see if CJ can re-commit himself after a down week to excellence against the marginal Titan's secondary.

[CBin2k7]

All great receivers want the ball, Chad is just one of those guys. What last night shows you is that TJ makes a big difference in the offense.

I see no problem with Chad being so emotional.

[HairOnFire]

I see plenty of potential problems concerning Chad's emotions.

If you read his post Jag remarks you can tell Chad has been frustrated for a couple of weeks now. That's troubling when you consider that ALL of the previous games were wins.

Ignore the matter of production for a minute and just watch Chad's body language during the Jag game. It's a classic primadonna pout. An angry outburst followed by a quiet sullen period. Again, there's no way you see this sort of behavior unless Chad went into this game with ever increasing feelings of frustrations. Then when the Bengals get within striking distance Chad suddenly appears animated once again as the Bengals begin their final drive. Sadly, Palmer fumbles after Chris Perry gets blown up in a failed blitz pickup and Chad retreats to the sidelines.....where he sits by himself. After the game he lets loose a stream of frustration that is centered on him not getting the ball when he's double teamed.

Last, remember when Collinsworth mentioned Chad's anger and his warning to him..."Don't be that guy. Have fun." Well I consider that a lesson learned, but it seems obvious that Chad is extremely high strung and subject to wild mood swings. So far the joking side has gotten most of the headlines, but we've seen enough examples of Chad losing focus to be concerned. And for the record, I continue to think that the root of the problem is Chad's habit/need to talk it up prior to games. His remarks aired during the pregame show were funny if backed up and embarrassing if not, and he doesn't like to be embarrassed.

But here's the rub. It's as unnecessary as it is undesirable.

[smith288]

I see plenty of potential problems concerning Chad's emotions.

If you read his post Jag remarks you can tell Chad has been frustrated for a couple of weeks now. That's troubling when you consider that ALL of the previous games were wins.

Ignore the matter of production for a minute and just watch Chad's body language during the Jag game. It's a classic primadonna pout. An angry outburst followed by a quiet sullen period. Again, there's no way you see this sort of behavior unless Chad went into this game with ever increasing feelings of frustrations. Then when the Bengals get within striking distance Chad suddenly appears animated once again as the Bengals begin their final drive. Sadly, Palmer fumbles after Chris Perry gets blown up in a failed blitz pickup and Chad retreats to the sidelines.....where he sits by himself. After the game he lets loose a stream of frustration that is centered on him not getting the ball when he's double teamed.

Last, remember when Collinsworth mentioned Chad's anger and his warning to him..."Don't be that guy. Have fun." Well I consider that a lesson learned, but it seems obvious that Chad is extremely high strung and subject to wild mood swings. So far the joking side has gotten most of the headlines, but we've seen enough examples of Chad losing focus to be concerned. And for the record, I continue to think that the root of the problem is Chad's habit/need to talk it up prior to games. His remarks aired during the pregame show were funny if backed up and embarrassing if not, and he doesn't like to be embarrassed.

But here's the rub. It's as unnecessary as it is undesirable.

Good post...agree on all points.

[bengalboomer7]

I think you guys read too much into this. Competitive guys like that get pissed when they lose at anything.

[Section 310]

You guys who are supporting Johnson are the same apologists who made excuse after excuse for Pickens, Dillon and Blake. If the guy were on any other team you would be calling him every name in the book.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ACTING LIKE A JACKASS ON NATIONAL TV AND GETTING INTO IT WITH YOUR COACH AND QB. He needs to chill out and continue to do what he has been doing for the past couple of seasons. Things will fall into place.

[andybren]

I think you guys read too much into this. Competitive guys like that get pissed when they lose at anything.

Except he was giving up in the third quarter, when the game was still within reach.

Chad's a paradox. He's so self-motivated (see Pepto, guarantees and checklists) that it sometimes leads to him being more interested in his own personal accomplishments than the team's. Intellectually he knows that he benefits by his team winning and by his teammates doing well, but emotionally he can't get up and play his best if he's not the Man every play of every game. So Marvin and Carson's conundrum is, do you entertain his narcisism (sp?) at the expense of the team philosophy, or do you knock him down a couple of pegs and risk the damage it does to your best player's performance.

I say put the shrink on speed dial and get back to work.

[buck3y3d]

Chad has always been a TO type player in my opinion, and i get yelled at for stating this. I like Chad, but he wants fame and money. He probably will hold out in the next two years, which he has threatened to do. What scares me is that he respects how TO handles his contract.

Chris Henry looks really good though, and out of the same type of mold as Chad. I know you guys would hate to see it, but if Chad ever pulled a TO, i would be comfortable with Henry (especially in 2 years, next year would be shaky).

If Chad wants the ball, he should catch. He led the league in drops last year, and already this year he has dropped passes. Keshaun and he need to stop crying when they don't get the ball right between the numbers. (I think Chad may have been upset about the play when Carson threw high and he got decked).

[cHaD711Johnson]

I can't believe that all of you are actually saying this...Chad acting like TO..C'mon..Chad is the most passionate player that I have seen, he complains about not getting the ball like all great receivers, ask Mike Irvin he thought that he was open every play. It can't be getting old because he goes on the field and produces. Any smart Eagle fan would tell you that they could care less about TO's rants as long as he is helping them win. Chad was crying because they loss last night, how many grown men do you see doing that over one game, not a Playoff game, not the Super Bowl a regular season Week 5 game.. Chad is just passionate and I'm honored that he represents our team. Don't try to turn on him after he complains about not getting the ball, whether they win or lose.

[buck3y3d]

I can't believe that all of you are actually saying this...Chad acting like TO..C'mon..Chad is the most passionate player that I have seen, he complains about not getting the ball like all great receivers, ask Mike Irvin he thought that he was open every play. It can't be getting old because he goes on the field and produces. Any smart Eagle fan would tell you that they could care less about TO's rants as long as he is helping them win. Chad was crying because they loss last night, how many grown men do you see doing that over one game, not a Playoff game, not the Super Bowl a regular season Week 5 game.. Chad is just passionate and I'm honored that he represents our team. Don't try to turn on him after he complains about not getting the ball, whether they win or lose.

I like Chad, but i have felt the same way all season and you can read my posts if you would like. Chad was double covered and no, he was not open on every play. Carson played an excellent game, and for Chad to attack him is absolutely ridiculous. I'm glad he is passionate, but he is not a leader on the field. He sets an example of how to train, and i am glad about this, but if you listen to people like Willie and Rudi, they know Carson is their leader. Carson should represent the Cincinnati Bengals, not Chad Johnson. CHAD RESPECTS AND ADMIRES TO, he models himself after TO, and he acts like TO. i can't believe you do not realize this. I will always like Chad as a player, but he definately fits the TO mold.

[Jet23]

I can't believe that all of you are actually saying this...Chad acting like TO..C'mon..Chad is the most passionate player that I have seen, he complains about not getting the ball like all great receivers, ask Mike Irvin he thought that he was open every play. It can't be getting old because he goes on the field and produces. Any smart Eagle fan would tell you that they could care less about TO's rants as long as he is helping them win. Chad was crying because they loss last night, how many grown men do you see doing that over one game, not a Playoff game, not the Super Bowl a regular season Week 5 game.. Chad is just passionate and I'm honored that he represents our team. Don't try to turn on him after he complains about not getting the ball, whether they win or lose.

I will start by saying that I love Chad Johnson. However, I have to admit, before every game I look at Chad and say, I hope he does not have another Cleveland (pepto) game. Everyone has a bad game, but the Cleveland game was more than that. Chad blew himself up. He put so much pressure on himself that when he could not produce, he went totally mental. The antics are funny, but I do wish he would tone some of it down for his own sake. But, like Theismann said (I know, I can't believe I am paraphrasing that idiot either) Chad will not turn into a TO, because he is too good of a dude. I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that Chad is a good dude.

[ViewFromSec310]

Chad isn't as "smart" as TO or Moss, Marvin has mind control over him, and he will stay in line. What hurt the Bengals the most was the injuries to Madieu, Rich, and TJ along with the penalties.

My concerns are:

Rudi just runs into piles and hopes he comes out. So why would you do that style against those two huge defensive tackles that Jacksonville has. I blame the play calling on that 4th down that the Bengals missed. I was hoping for a QB keeper/dive or something like a pitch out to Perry or a quick throw to CJ.

Tory James and KK are bad tacklers. Thorton is showing signs of being a rookie with his over pursuit on fakes and misdirections.

The penalties are double with what they had at this time last year. Reggie Myles and Walter hurt them at pivotal times in the game, and they will learn. To bad they have to learn the hard way, and then throw a loss on top of that, will make them remember and be more focus in the future.

I say next week in a must win as far as tempo with this team the rest of the season. Lets see how they bounce back from this loss, it be a good test on the competitiveness of this team.

[HairOnFire]

I've never compared Chad to Owens. They seem like two different breeds of cat to me. That said, the announcers made a remark last night about Andy Reid being unable to solve the TO isssue, limiting himself to trying to manage things as best he could due to the talent level of the player. And on that point alone do I think the two players can be compared. Chad has to be managed. It's a constant.

Chad has increasingly engaged in off the field behavior that increases his national exposure, and by extension...his potential to make more money in the future. And while it's true that his actions are considered harmless and fun, while Owens is tagged as a negative team influence, it's been widely reported that one of Marvin's greatest challenges is keeping Chad focused during games. When things aren't going perfectly...he allows his frustration to feed upon itself. He sulks. He broods. he engages in sideline outbursts. He points fingers instead of communicating. In a word or two...he goes Pepto.

And in my opinion Chad went a little bit Pepto last night. Yeah, he caught a TD pass and a handfull of balls. True, he didn't drop everything thrown his way this time. But he most certainly lost focus, and that's far different than simply showing emotion due to a loss.

Last point. I'm not all that concerned by the threat of a Chad holdout. Most of the circus surrounding that sort of crap is media driven and doesn't impact the team nearly as much as many would have you believe. Best, I think Chad and the Bengals are a good match, both sides know it, and a contract extension will be worked out. But I am concerned about the little meltdowns like we witnessed last night because they can cost you football games in ways that don't show up on film.

[cincy9275]

chad is the man. but there is a time and a place for everything. on the field chad needs to shut up and play the game the way he can. and settle any disagreements in the lockeroom where they belong . i don't have a problem with him being angry. doing on the sidelines on national tv is a problem

[redsbengalsbucks]

I've never compared Chad to Owens. They seem like two different breeds of cat to me. That said, the announcers made a remark last night about Andy Reid being unable to solve the TO isssue, limiting himself to trying to manage things as best he could due to the talent level of the player. And on that point alone do I think the two players can be compared. Chad has to be managed. It's a constant.

Chad has increasingly engaged in off the field behavior that increases his national exposure, and by extension...his potential to make more money in the future. And while it's true that his actions are considered harmless and fun, while Owens is tagged as a negative team influence, it's been widely reported that one of Marvin's greatest challenges is keeping Chad focused during games. When things aren't going perfectly...he allows his frustration to feed upon itself. He sulks. He broods. he engages in sideline outbursts. He points fingers instead of communicating. In a word or two...he goes Pepto.

And in my opinion Chad went a little bit Pepto last night. Yeah, he caught a TD pass and a handfull of balls. True, he didn't drop everything thrown his way this time. But he most certainly lost focus, and that's far different than simply showing emotion due to a loss.

Last point. I'm not all that concerned by the threat of a Chad holdout. Most of the circus surrounding that sort of crap is media driven and doesn't impact the team nearly as much as many would have you believe. Best, I think Chad and the Bengals are a good match, both sides know it, and a contract extension will be worked out. But I am concerned about the little meltdowns like we witnessed last night because they can cost you football games in ways that don't show up on film.

Well put Hair.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I think you guys read too much into this. Competitive guys like that get pissed when they lose at anything.

Competitive guys blame themselves, not their teammates. And team guys should be happy to take their 5 catches for 50+ yards when they're being double teamed all day, because it means their teammates are open.

Not happy with this crap. ML definitely needs to keep him under control. This isn't even close to TO territory yet...but there are warning signs present.

[Kirkendall]

I think you guys read too much into this. Competitive guys like that get pissed when they lose at anything.

Perhaps. But it's his own quotes that's making everyone look into this. His whining on national TV was an embarrassment.

[HairOnFire]

A friend of mine called me yesterday and had this to say about Chad's mini meltdown.

"It's just Manny being Manny."

Cracked me up.