Bengal_Brad Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I have to say only allowing 95 yards rushing. It's close though, at times Palmer looked like the second coming of Boomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Another vote for holding them to 95 yards. It was something they certainly SHOULD do against a team like the Browns, but we all know that what SHOULD happen didn't count for much last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 His newfound ability to check at the line and improvise with his receivers mid-route could lead to some really big numbers this season. When guys are synced in to each other that well, it leads to less second guessing and uncertainty for the QB and allows his athletic ability to take over, instead of his brain second guessing his muscle.Hats off to Coach Bresnahan's adjustments to what the Browns wanted to do on offense after 1 drive. Remember, there was hardly any film to look at offensively to see how the Browns wanted to run their offense. But to Bres' credit, he put O'Dell and co. in position to shut down their attack. :player: :player: :player: Who-Dey :player: :player: :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 A large part of the 95 yards allowed rushing was that the Browns fell behind and had to pass the ball, eschewing the running game, ergo that part is far less impressive.The truly telling stat about the rush defense is the yards per carry. The two running backs with carries against the Bengals went for an average of 5.44 yards per carry, which is very high. Quite honestly, the Bengals run defense was, by this measure, about as bad as it has ever been.......The impressive thing was that the Bengals won a division game on the road, beating a team they were supposed to beat. Sounds unimpressive, just to hear it said...but road wins are precious, as are division wins, and you need only talk to a Rams or Broncos fan about beating teams on the road you are supposed to beat to understand the real value of what happened on Sunday.....A win is a win, but I guarentee you that Marvin will explain in no uncertain terms that this win was not a pretty one and could have just as easily gone the other way. His team needs to know that it did not "clobber" the pitiful Browns, it merely won. I'm as happy as anyone that we got the win, but when you peel back and look at the stats you'll realize that there are plenty of problems to address. Starting with the run defense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal_Brad Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 True that when you look at the overall stats for the yards-per-carry it is 5.27. But if you remove the one run for 24-years it comes down to 4.17. New England at the end of last year was rated as 3.9 yards per carry. What I'm saying is that NO the 5.27 isn't good, but the 4.17 is respectable. We saw the defense adjust after that one long run. It's a step forward....a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Starting with the run defense....Or how about just the defense in general. I agree with your analysis of the run defense. I made that point in another thread.I think the pass defense was also a large vulnerability since we gave up yet another huge play. Still, you have to think the defense is going to finish this year vastly improved over last year's. Forget about the stats for a minute. Bottom line...they came up with stops when they were needed. The Browns only ended up with 13 pts. Those are both accomplishments when looking at their performances against the Browns from last year. Still room for improvement, most definitely, but there is a ray of sunlight in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 The truly telling stat about the rush defense is the yards per carry. The two running backs with carries against the Bengals went for an average of 5.44 yards per carry, which is very high. Quite honestly, the Bengals run defense was, by this measure, about as bad as it has ever been.......I see where you are coming from TJ, but I think that this statement is a cop-out.5.4 yards per carry would be a first down every 2 plays. If they continued to run the ball with that avg. they could have controlled the clock and easily got back into the game if not overtake the Bengals lead. Now, after the adjustments were made form the original 24 yard gain, that avg. lowers to 4.1 yards a pop. Now while that is still not the 2000 Ravens, it was enough of a dropoff to scare Romeo Crennel into putting his faith in the arm of Trent Dilfer. They were passing on 4th and 1s for crying out loud. He did not think he could run on the Bengals and said so after the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 No, they were passing because they were playing 2-minute catchup offense, not because they couldn't run.You can't remove a 24 yard run just because it makes the stat sheet look better. Frakly, our defense was aligned to stop the run, we were daring them to beat us with the pass. And our run-orientation did not do a lot to stop them.It's only one game, folks, but 5.44 yards per carry is 5.44 yards per carry. It's bad. In a way, it's good news - Marvin is probably going over run plays and the yards per carry allowed as we speak.....you don't want to become complacent after a win, and the high yards per carry average gives marvin and co something to focus on this week. It should keep our troops grounded and realistic. I'd rather our defensive guys be thinking "we werent that good and need to get better against Minnesota" than "man, we are great!. we can phone in this one vs the Vikes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I'd rather our defensive guys be thinking "we werent that good and need to get better against Minnesota" than "man, we are great!. we can phone in this one vs the Vikes". One thing I've seen commented on in a few articles was how subdued the players were after the win. It points out that they aren't going to let this go to their heads, which I like a lot.Even Chad said it was just what they needed to do, and that they have nothing to celebrate yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 It's possible to bend statistics every which way to make things sound better or worse, but the really telling "stat" is "Now while that is still not the 2000 Ravens, it was enough of a dropoff to scare Romeo Crennel into putting his faith in the arm of Trent Dilfer. They were passing on 4th and 1s for crying out loud. He did not think he could run on the Bengals and said so after the game." Something like that is much more telling than pure numbers. And besides, the only pure number I'm interested in is the number of points the other team put up. They put up 13 and none came on the ground. WHO DEY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I was impressed by the intesity and willingness to dominate the team showed. I love the fire on D, the passion that Thurman, Pollack and Williams bring. The consistency of Shayne Graham, the Kyle Larson efforts, the ball movement, the domination by the offensive line. The willingness to get better and the fact that Coach Lewis says the Bengals are far from where they need to be and everyone else acknowledges the same thing. Even if the Bengals beat the Vikes, they are far from being where they need to be, let downs can happen. I expect this team, like no other to show consistency every week and the D will continue to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 You can't remove a 24 yard run just because it makes the stat sheet look better. Frakly, our defense was aligned to stop the run, we were daring them to beat us with the pass. And our run-orientation did not do a lot to stop them.You can if you're making an argument praising adjustments to the first play of the game (24-yard run)No, they were passing because they were playing 2-minute catchup offense, not because they couldn't run.So they were playing 2-minute catch-up down 7-3? and tied at 10? Because they sure were not running through the Bengals and into the endzone on the ground then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Given the fact that this was a divisional road game, I would have taken an ugly 1-point win. The defense was way less than impressive, but that is what I expected. This defense will mature as the year goes on. I was elated that the following questions were answered:1) Carson & TJ are closer to where they finished last year than where they began last year.2) Kevin Walter can play against #1 defenses3) Their overall team speed has improved, which is huge.One major disappointment was the play of the Special Teams. I sure hope they get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 The Offensive LineBest game i have seen from a bengals offensive line in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 RUDI RUDI RUDI!He ran, he caught, he blocked, and he broke tackles!I LOVE the fact that the backs are becoming part of the passing game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Gotta go w/ CP.Our boy is wicked good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Our boy is wicked good. give it up for the chowdah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 A large part of the 95 yards allowed rushing was that the Browns fell behind and had to pass the ball, eschewing the running game, ergo that part is far less impressive.The truly telling stat about the rush defense is the yards per carry. The two running backs with carries against the Bengals went for an average of 5.44 yards per carry, which is very high. Quite honestly, the Bengals run defense was, by this measure, about as bad as it has ever been.......The impressive thing was that the Bengals won a division game on the road, beating a team they were supposed to beat. Sounds unimpressive, just to hear it said...but road wins are precious, as are division wins, and you need only talk to a Rams or Broncos fan about beating teams on the road you are supposed to beat to understand the real value of what happened on Sunday.....A win is a win, but I guarentee you that Marvin will explain in no uncertain terms that this win was not a pretty one and could have just as easily gone the other way. His team needs to know that it did not "clobber" the pitiful Browns, it merely won. I'm as happy as anyone that we got the win, but when you peel back and look at the stats you'll realize that there are plenty of problems to address. Starting with the run defense.... Are you sure you was watching the right game??? We had NO TROUBLE winning this game, we was in complete control the whole game. Carson took control of this game as well as the rest of the team!! Look at the leader boards Carson is in the top three and Rudi as well. Even though it was the Browns, they did not play a bad game and remember we was IN CLEVLAND, not to metion it was the opening game of the season. I think we played very well and winning 10-11 games is not out of the question, but only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 A large part of the 95 yards allowed rushing was that the Browns fell behind and had to pass the ball, eschewing the running game, ergo that part is far less impressive.The truly telling stat about the rush defense is the yards per carry. The two running backs with carries against the Bengals went for an average of 5.44 yards per carry, which is very high. Quite honestly, the Bengals run defense was, by this measure, about as bad as it has ever been.......The impressive thing was that the Bengals won a division game on the road, beating a team they were supposed to beat. Sounds unimpressive, just to hear it said...but road wins are precious, as are division wins, and you need only talk to a Rams or Broncos fan about beating teams on the road you are supposed to beat to understand the real value of what happened on Sunday.....A win is a win, but I guarentee you that Marvin will explain in no uncertain terms that this win was not a pretty one and could have just as easily gone the other way. His team needs to know that it did not "clobber" the pitiful Browns, it merely won. I'm as happy as anyone that we got the win, but when you peel back and look at the stats you'll realize that there are plenty of problems to address. Starting with the run defense....Are you sure you was watching the right game???Yes, I'm sure I was :-)Please read the topic of this thread...note that many people are choosing the 95 yards running allowed as the most impressive thing....then re-read my comments in that light :-) Then also note that I did pick something that was impressive to me....it just didn't happen to be on the list of things one could pick in the survey link above..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 all the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I have to say I was impressed with Odell, although I'm not gonna go to the extremes of some of these posters (who shall remain nameless) and declare him a Ray Lewis type Pro Bowl LBer.I was excited when we first drafted him.....and still am.Getting a INT in your first game is a great start though.And man can he hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Frankly, I don't care much about YPC avg. if they don't put it in the endzone, which they failed to do.Its that simple.That's like running for 200 yards, but getting no TD's.It's nice, but I mean, you didn't score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Cleveland Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 First of all, on paper and in reality, we SHOULD have beaten Cleveland, and WE DID. The Bengals went up to the hostile Cleveland poophole (I've been before and trust me its a poophole) and took care of business. It took me about 24 hours to come to grips with that. I think the gravity of that fact is what has to be #1 in my mind. As far as individual efforts go, I would say best offensive player was Carson with Rudi a close second. Best defensive player was Thurman. I really think Marvin has been combing every one of the drafts for a player like him. My feeling is he will be the rookie of the year. Next Sunday is entirely way too far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangloss Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I voted for CP; it looked like a practice drill at times. But I was also impressed with the defense. I think they stopped Cleveland every time (three?) on 4th down. It also seemed as though more defenders were swarming the ball than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizzy Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I am most impressed with the entire team as a whole.Only 5 teams won on the road yesterday and of those 5 the bengals and the Saints were the only teams to win a division game. Of 16 teams on the road only 5 road teams won, I find that very impressive that the Bengals are one of those teams.All these people that say they didn't play that great of a game are obviously smoking crack. Interception there, penalty here, there are always going to be this in a game. There is always something to improve. All that matters is you outplay the team you are playing that week and get the W. Any team can beat anyone on any given day. That was shown Sunday with Miami and San Fran and a few other teams.No one can talk crap about how the Bengals played. They played amazing. If they only won by 1 point it would still be one very impressive win.WHO DEY!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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