3 TE's

[redsbengalsbucks]

Just read the Hobson article on Wilson and the roster. Am I the only person that thinks we could play just as well with 2 of the TE's currently on the roster and Brad St. Louis as an emergency TE. I suggest this only if Wilson or some other player impresses a bunch in camp. We draft Best Available Player why not adjust the roster to keep the best availble non essential player. I would hate to lose Wilson, Broussard, T. Perry or some other player and see them become a star elsewhere just to keep any of the three TE's we currently have.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I said it last year, I'll say it again... Cut Schoebel, and Stewart and keep Reggie Kelly, Kori Dickerson (last year I said Stewart), and let the #3 guy be Brad St. Louis.

[BlainThePain]

I doubt Brad St. Louis is even close to the run blocker that Stewart is and I doubt he is anywhere close to Schobel too. If we cut Schobel and Stewart, you would see our rushing yards in the redzone go way down. If we cut those two and Kelley got hurt, you would see our rushing yards in general, go way down. ML doesn't care about having a recieving threat at tight end he just wants a great run blocker that can catch a couple of dump passes a game. We'll never have a great recieving tight end unless they are a dominant blocker too, and a tight end that well rounded would be drafted really high in the draft. I'm hoping we grab Tim Day from Oregon next year. He is a monster tight end at 6'4" 270 pounds that is a mauling blocker, but he can still make some plays in the passing game. He isn't the deep threat like Heap or Gonzalez, but he does a good job of getting open and catching the ball similar to Jason Witten.

[Kazkal]

Schobel will remain a bengal till we get a better a catching TE though stewert could go either way....I doubt they'd wanna risk brad getting hurt sense then we'd be out of a long snapper

[joshh967]

Im still jeleous that we didnt get Heath miller this year. Not that im unhappy with Pollack i just thought a consistant TE might come in handy

[AMC]

Problem I have with the TEs is do we tip off a running or passing play based on personnel?

Schobel, passing play?

Kelly, rushing play?

Seems like Stewart is the most rounded of the three...

Plus, Kelly's contract is up after the year I believe....Do you think he will be resigned?

I think they place one OR two TEs on practice squad for next year. Also, next year they will be looking TE in the draft...

[HairOnFire]

I said it last year, I'll say it again... Cut Schoebel, and Stewart and keep Reggie Kelly, Kori Dickerson (last year I said Stewart), and let the #3 guy be Brad St. Louis.

And if you repeat that next year you'll be stupid for three years running.

Fag.

[HairOnFire]

I thought the funniest thing about Hobson's remarks is that he felt compelled to mention that Chris Perry wouldn't be cut.

Fag.

[HoosierCat]

Am I missing something with the "fag" thing, Hair? Maybe I'll figue it out as I go through the threads...

Anyhow...I've been a 2-TE fan for a while. Keep Schobel and either Stewart or Kelly, I really dont care. Then use Stacy Andrews as your 3rd TE in a purely blocking role, like the did with Levi his first season. IIRC they did line Andrews up once or twice at TE last season.

[HairOnFire]

Am I missing something with the "fag" thing, Hair? Maybe I'll figue it out as I go through the threads...

You bet you're missing something. You're missing out on pure fun.

Over the last few days I've learned from other Bengal fans that all posting styles are to be nurtured and cherished...even the idiotic and moronic yammerings of Who? and that BrownFlushing guy. Sadly, I learned this important lesson only after being chastised by many Bengal fans who didn't care for my complaints about the lack of content in every post Who? has ever written.

But here's where the fun stuff begins. After suggesting the Who? style posts might be better received on the Smack forum I was then called a fag or butt buddy about a dozen times by several different posters. Well, I admit this tweaked me a bit, but after making my further displeasure known I was informed by the collective masses that it was all in good fun.

Well you know me. I like good fun as much as the next guy so I vowed to try this new style of communicating.

I began calling everyone a fag....including posters that I like. I also wrote posts that were totally devoid of any content. Then I wrote posts making fun of dead people. I wrote posts filled with jokes both good and bad. And I wrote posts that were deliberately insulting. In fact, I wrote posts that even pissed me off. But mostly I just called people fag because it's so darned easy.

And guess what?

It's fun.

And best of all it seems to be officially sanctioned by the fags who run this message board.

[schweinhart]

Problem I have with the TEs is do we tip off a running or passing play based on personnel?

Schobel, passing play?

Kelly, rushing play?

Seems like Stewart is the most rounded of the three...

Plus, Kelly's contract is up after the year I believe....Do you think he will be resigned?

I think they place one OR two TEs on practice squad for next year. Also, next year they will be looking TE in the draft...

The TEs might get more catches this year in CP's 2nd yr, but that won't change the playcalling telegraph.

If Kelly is in, he's either blocking for run or pass because he's useless as a receiver, especially past 10 yds. Cutting him now is a wash cap wise but would free up a roster spot. His blocking is nothing special, either.

Schobel has all the tools as a receiver but he looks like he lacks the killer instinct it'll take to make him more versatile as a blocker. He needs to decide for real if he wants to continue playing football IMO because I question his drive on the field.

Stewart would be most likely to get the most catches of the 3, plus he's the backup FB. Still, he's not even average at anything.

I'm looking forward to watching Ronnie Ghent, Lyonel Anderson, and Kori Dickerson because if those three are even halfway respectable I would say bon voyage to the other 3.

[Kazkal]

Problem I have with the TEs is do we tip off a running or passing play based on personnel?

Schobel, passing play?

Kelly, rushing play?

Seems like Stewart is the most rounded of the three...

Plus, Kelly's contract is up after the year I believe....Do you think he will be resigned?

I think they place one OR two TEs on practice squad for next year. Also, next year they will be looking TE in the draft...

Fix it by making schobel = 3rd down TE or 2nd and long + 3rd down

[schweinhart]

I think they place one OR two TEs on practice squad for next year. Also, next year they will be looking TE in the draft...

If Kelly is in, he's either blocking for run or pass because he's useless as a receiver, especially past 10 yds. Cutting him now is a wash cap wise but would free up a roster spot.

The Bengals should draft at least 1 TE next year since Schobel's and Stewart's contracts are up after this upcoming season. But I'd also rather see them dip into the UFA market next year to get a viable all-downs TE.

Also to note, cutting Kelly (now that it's after June 1 ) would free up $1.1 million in base on the cap if the Bengals pushed the pro-rated $1 million signing bonus of Kelly's original $2 mill sb into 2006.

Some info I found interesting is that TE Ronnie Ghent is playing under a 3 yr contract. Don't mean he'll stick but it seems like above and beyond the norm for a waiver wire claim of an undrafted rookie free agent from the year before.

[AMC]

Aren't they trying Ghent at fullback? Maybe developing him into an H-back type?

Plus Dickerson played with Carson and Hue Jackson at USC.

I say let the young TEs battle with the veteran's. I am not attached too any of our TEs right now....

[schweinhart]

If Ghent can be the backup FB and handle the H-Back role well enough, it could spell the end of Kelly and allow Stewart to take over as the closest thing to an all-downs TE the team has.

Or it could spell the end of Stewart, but not likely given the cap difference between Kelly and Stewart.

Ghent could still be put on the practice squad, though, if he doesn't look the part yet. Stewart is a UFA after this year and is all but gone it would seem unless he kicks a$$ this year.

Dickerson is another question. He's got pretty much 1 full season on a practice squad and spent 3 games on a PS in 2002, which would count as 1 of 2 years allowable for PS. But 2 of the games were post season, so not sure if they apply toward PS eligibility. He might have top make the roster outright or be gone.

[The Big Orange]

Am I missing something with the "fag" thing, Hair? Maybe I'll figue it out as I go through the threads...

You bet you're missing something. You're missing out on pure fun.

Over the last few days I've learned from other Bengal fans that all posting styles are to be nurtured and cherished...even the idiotic and moronic yammerings of Who? and that BrownFlushing guy. Sadly, I learned this important lesson only after being chastised by many Bengal fans who didn't care for my complaints about the lack of content in every post Who? has ever written.

But here's where the fun stuff begins. After suggesting the Who? style posts might be better received on the Smack forum I was then called a fag or butt buddy about a dozen times by several different posters. Well, I admit this tweaked me a bit, but after making my further displeasure known I was informed by the collective masses that it was all in good fun.

Well you know me. I like good fun as much as the next guy so I vowed to try this new style of communicating.

I began calling everyone a fag....including posters that I like. I also wrote posts that were totally devoid of any content. Then I wrote posts making fun of dead people. I wrote posts filled with jokes both good and bad. And I wrote posts that were deliberately insulting. In fact, I wrote posts that even pissed me off. But mostly I just called people fag because it's so darned easy.

And guess what?

It's fun.

And best of all it seems to be officially sanctioned by the fags who run this message board.

Hair, you son of a Hiaasen, I love you, man. I'm going to take the "fag" comment to the next level to pure man to man love (won't Christ be proud). I am going to unabashedly pour out my fat love to any posters who tickle my funny bone with a good read (Bengaled striped is a bonus).

Your wit is a tad unfair, mostly due that you read more than sports web pages and forums. For those of us who are witted by King and marvel at Zimmerman, we simply don't have the gray matter vinacular to combat mosts post (if we understand them at all).

Personally, my favorites are ones which I know, yeah, most of the dudes on this board have no idea what you are talking about...and I somehow feel superior in thinking I do.

[Who?]

I am supposed to feel inferior at all times when speaking with HairOnFire, I know the drill, he are much smarter than i are. Right now he is reading my past 10 posts I am willing to bet. I mean, I get brought up in every thread he posts in, I must be pretty important to him.

[The Big Orange]

I am supposed to feel inferior at all times when speaking with HairOnFire, I know the drill, he are much smarter than i are. Right now he is reading my past 10 posts I am willing to bet. I mean, I get brought up in every thread he posts in, I must be pretty important to him.

Not at all Who?...I mean the inferior part. Hair takes great pleasure in excersizing his wicked humor...and as a Browns fan, you are as likely to be the brunt as anyone here.

The prime targets are people who say stupid things...which is nice because it keeps our conversations fairly intelligent. And Hair isn't the only one who is the IQ or homer or blasphomy or team betrayal-keeper.

I think you're probably a good guy...curious as it may be that you enjoy hanging out in the lions den as much as your own...but to each his own. However, if Hair or anyone else feels that they have to play catch-up with you because you don't keep up with the inner workings of OUR team, then you're likely to hear about it.

And BTW, you don't get near as much as Pushy as it is common knowledge that those who don't support our own (Rudi), or worse yet, those who support those who dis us (Dillon), seem to get the warm corner of Hell.

[Irish Bengal]

Keep Schobel, he is our only big play TE. Keep Stewart, he seems to be developing into a good allaround TE. Cut Kelly. I know hes a good blocker but wasn't he supposed to be the great pass catching, great blocking TE? I don't think he's lived up to his billing.

[HairOnFire]

Not at all Who?...I mean the inferior part. Hair takes great pleasure in excersizing his wicked humor...and as a Browns fan, you are as likely to be the brunt as anyone here.

The prime targets are people who say stupid things...which is nice because it keeps our conversations fairly intelligent. And Hair isn't the only one who is the IQ or homer or blasphomy or team betrayal-keeper.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's got nothing to do with Who? being young, dumb, or a Brownie fan. And I wouldn't even mind if all he did was troll. No kidding, I've got alot of respect for really good trolls. It can almost be an art form if properly done. Just make an attempt to add something of relevance. Anything at all. I won't even mind if I don't agree with it.

And Who, if I happen to tweak your beard about your lack of substance don't immediately go gay on me because in doing so you're just proving my point. Besides, I'll happily escalate hostilities just to show how stupid the gay rant really is. There's really no trick in making a thread spiral out of control and at a certain point it's the only thing I find interesting.

And Big O, thanks for pointing out that I wasn't the only one complaining about the lack of content. Others had done it and I actually picked on Bobcat, a poster I like and respect, precisely because he had also complained about content. So I figured...in for a penny...in for a pound. In Bobcats example the only difference that I saw was he complained later than I did, and had done so without being included in the gay fun I was being subjected to. So I took care of that little problem myself, sat back to watch his reaction, and wasn't surprised a bit when he dropped a nuke on me. Eat a dick with aids on the tip. Frankly, that's hilarious and absolutely perfect in the sense that it was exactly the type of response I expected.

Why? Because Bobcat immediately reacted by doing exactly what I was already doing. Dropping random nukes out of frustration.

And for those who disagree with my methods, you've got to give me credit for at least one thing. I called EVERYONE gay. (Including myself.)

[Who?]

Well, when I do say something that has relevance to the topic, you still try to be a jerk about it. I respect you and your opinions on things, but really, bashing me all the time kind've bothers me. Just for you, I will try to stop doing whatever it is you claim I do that bothers you so much. Sorry for any trouble I have caused so far, and one other thing, Go Browns!

[Spain]

No its not you wow the guys a real twat.

[HairOnFire]

Well, when I do say something that has relevance to the topic, you still try to be a jerk about it. I respect you and your opinions on things, but really, bashing me all the time kind've bothers me. Just for you, I will try to stop doing whatever it is you claim I do that bothers you so much.

That'll do. If you bothered reading what I wrote then you should know that my complaints were based upon ALL of your posts not saying much at all. You immediately responded by going gay, which might be the most tired rant on the internet. So I deliberately went a little bit mental on you to drive my points home.

I admit it was probably a futile gesture on my part, but I'm not above tilting at a few windmills.

That said, maybe it wasn't a futile gesture after all. You do seem to be trying harder to discuss football and the Bengals....and the mods have awakened from their deep sleep so the gay crap should die a quick death...temporarily leaving me with nothing to complain about.

Best of all, real football is about to start and when it does MOST of this crap will be quickly forgotten.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Keep Schobel, he is our only big play TE. Keep Stewart, he seems to be developing into a good allaround TE. Cut Kelly. I know hes a good blocker but wasn't he supposed to be the great pass catching, great blocking TE? I don't think he's lived up to his billing.

Schobel is not a big play TE, he is a muffed play TE. For every big play he makes in a season, he drops the play on an important short yardage pass. Yes, he makes a few catches every season that make you go wow, if only he could do that every game. However, the big play tight ends in the league make those catches multiple times every week. Besides, his blocking is worse than Warrick's.

[Bgal]

I wouldn't be surprised if Schobel developed into a more rounded TE this year. We may not even have this problem come this time next year.