Craig Krenzel

[7/11]

craig krenzel is an awful quarterback...maybe the worst in the league...ever. i don't understand this "addition" at all. the only logical guess is marvin wants to bring him in to push john thornton and bryan robinson in camp

[Kazkal]

Da Bears

[Kazkal]

He could be a good QB he had no O line and no receivers @ da bears

[Kazkal]

or someone has liked Krenzel for a long time and wants him to push Bramlett in camp.

Could very well be. Krenzel is an Ohio product, after all, and the front office has surely seen lots of him. And competition at the No. 3 spot is good to have with Kit's contract winding down. I don't think the bengals are in any rush to see Jon go, but I also think there's a good chance this is his last year in stripes.

He said he wanted to remain a bengal so why would we give up one of the best # 2 QB's who is well worth 1million dollars he is willing to accept.

[ArmyBengal]

To say Krenzel is the worst QB playing today or ever is a gross overstatement. The worst playing today can go to many more than Krenzel. What happened to all those "great" Miami and Florida QBs to come into the league ?? Please... And the worst of all time might have to go to our own Akili "Please don't hurt me" Smith. I don't care either way about Krenzel, as Palmer has this on lock and IMHO Kitna isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

WHODEY !!!

[Defender]

Marvin just likes to create competition at EVERY position (even second or third string QB) to make his team better. I believe their thinking was to groom Krenzel for the second string spot if/when it becomes available, not to unseat Jon Kitna right now. Put him in the system right now, see how he picks it up, and with a year or so at a backup spot he can have a working knowledge to come in off the bench if needed and finish the game.

The guy doesn't put up great stats, but the bottom line is that HE WINS, often times when it defies common logic. He took games at Ohio State that should have been losses and put his team in position to win those games. His story in Chicago is probably the same, he got three wins in five chances with a bad team. How many other second or third string QBs could have gotten three wins with those Bears?

[HoosierCat]

He said he wanted to remain a bengal so why would we give up one of the best # 2 QB's who is well worth 1million dollars he is willing to accept.

Several reasons. One, a million bucks is a bit pricey for a No. 2 QB. And on a team where pennies are pinched as tight as they are, every little bit helps. Two, Kit is getting older; he isn't the future QB of the future. Preferably, you want to build a Joe Montana/Steve Young-type of situation where you're developing your next young QB. Three, while Kit is a solid No. 2, there are experienced journeymen available every year for such a role. He would not be that hard to replace.

IMHO, the best argument for keeping Jon is that he's unselfish, and is totally committed to helping Carson grow while not vying with him for a starter's job. He's one of those rare players who actually fulfills his role as mentor. In short, he's a class act through and through, and in a sport filled with dopes like Ricky Williams, Sean Taylor, and too many Baltimore players to mention, that's a priceless commodity.

If it were up to me, I would keep Kitna on board for as long as possible. But time and money are increasingly against him...

[jjakq27]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...SPT02/506210367

Tuesday, June 21, 2005

Bengals add Krenzel to QB mix

Former Ohio State signal caller picked up; linebacker Abdullah is released

By Mark Curnutte

Enquirer staff writer

BACK IN THE BUCKEYE STATE

Craig Krenzel was 24-3 as a starter for Ohio State before going 3-2 as a starter with the Bears last season. Here are his rookie year stats:

Year Team Att Comp Yds TD Int Rating

2004 Bears 127 59 718 3 6 52.5

Though his chances of playing, at least in the near future, appear to be slim, quarterback Craig Krenzel was acquired Monday off waivers by the Bengals.

Krenzel joins a quarterback derby headed by starter Carson Palmer and veteran backup Jon Kitna. The team has two other quarterbacks on its roster: Casey Bramlet, who just completed a season playing in NFL Europe, and rookie free agent Josh Haldi of Northern Illinois.

Kitna's contract is due to expire after the 2005 season, and he said Saturday that his agent and the Bengals have not yet talked about a new deal.

Krenzel, waived by Chicago, played in six games with five starts in 2004 for the Bears. He won three of his starts and was 59-for-127 passing for 718 yards, three touchdowns and six interceptions.

Ohio State was 14-0 in 2002 when Krenzel was a junior and won the NCAA championship.

The Bengals made two other roster moves on Monday, and their roster stands at 84 players - including the seven rookie draft picks that remain unsigned.

The Bengals waived linebacker Khalid Abdullah and defensive tackle Terrance Martin.

Abdullah, a third-year player, was the Bengals' fifth-round draft pick in 2003. He played in 16 games as a rookie before spending the entire 2004 season on the injured reserve list because he dislocated an ankle early in training camp.

Also a third-year player, Martin was on the Bengals' roster for the final nine games last season after signing as a free agent. He played in two games. He originally signed as a college free agent with Houston in 2003, playing in 12 games with one start for the Texans.

In Chicago, Krenzel was let go in favor of Kurt Kittner and Ryan Dinwiddie, who are left to compete with Kyle Orton, Chad Hutchinson and starter Rex Grossman.

[The Big Orange]

Carson is no longer looking over his shoulder...

Kitna isn't at all questioning where he will end up next year...

Bramlet was about as useless as a fish with tits in NFL Europe...

I mean this guy never saw a defensive back he didn't like. You would be hard pressed to throw more int's in a shorter amount of time then he did this year, especially in the last 3 or 4 games.

And he liked to share, too. He was impartial to DB's, if you were a LB he's throwing it to you, too. And if you didn't catch it the first time he threw it to you, he's throw it to you again. He was committed. He was going to throw it to your defense until somebody caught it.

And it's not like he was throwing against the NFL elite...most of those guys won't make a teams developmental squad. The teams were also limited on blitzing schemes and frequencies. We could have a 5 WR set vs. only Ed Reed, and Bramlet would find Ed.

This guy is not good.

[schweinhart]

Bramlet started out fine in Europe then turned to slop mighty fast. He looked like a contender for #2 early but after his metldowns, not a chance. Krenzel can vie w/ Bramlet for #3, but if I counted right Krenzel can also be put on the practice squad because he was only active for 8 games.

Hopefully, the Krenzel pickup will add some insight into the Bears. True, all new OC, WR, proly RB -- but still maybe some insight there into O-line tendencies or strengths and weaknesses that might not be as obvious on tape. Also, maybe some insight into Bears D, which might prove one of the tougher Ds for Bengals O to sink their teeth into this year.

Welcome Craig Kittner...er....Krenzel.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Could this move be simply to appease the rabid OSU fans who are bitching because for the second year in a row we didn't draft a Buckeye?

[HairOnFire]

Josh Haldi, this is your wakeup call.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

To say Krenzel is the worst QB playing today or ever is a gross overstatement. The worst playing today can go to many more than Krenzel.

WHODEY !!!

Say for example, Kyle Boller.....

[UK Bengal]

craig krenzel is an awful quarterback...maybe the worst in the league...ever. i don't understand this "addition" at all. the only logical guess is marvin wants to bring him in to push john thornton and bryan robinson in camp 

Defensive meeting

marvin: ok i just claimed C Krenzel off wavers so hes gonna be the QB for defence line practice and im introducing a new points system. 10 points for a broken arm 20 points for a leg and 50 points if you rip his head off the DT with the most points at the end of todays practice gets a slap up meal at Chads fav eatery.

thornton:

Robinson:

:player:

[Jet23]

I think there is a good possibility that Kitna will not be a Bengal when the season starts. At best, he will be here one more year. I see Krenzel being groomed to be Carson's backup. Remember where Marvin came from. His defense won a Super Bowl with a qb that did not light it up, but didn't hurt them either. That is exactly what Craig Krenzel gives you.

I think that Marvin is confident that he can build a defense, within the next year, that can win games as long as they have a controlled offense. That would be a heck of an insurance policy if Carson went down. When the Bears release Krenzel I thought the Bengals may bite. But not to be a 3rd qb, but rather Carson's eventual backup.

[derekshank]

I think there is a good possibility that Kitna will not be a Bengal when the season starts. At best, he will be here one more year. I see Krenzel being groomed to be Carson's backup. Remember where Marvin came from. His defense won a Super Bowl with a qb that did not light it up, but didn't hurt them either. That is exactly what Craig Krenzel gives you.

I think that Marvin is confident that he can build a defense, within the next year, that can win games as long as they have a controlled offense. That would be a heck of an insurance policy if Carson went down. When the Bears release Krenzel I thought the Bengals may bite. But not to be a 3rd qb, but rather Carson's eventual backup.

I still see Krenzel as a #3 at best. Kitna won't be around forever, and I don't know if he wants to go to another team where he can play. I have heard he's happy, but

Carson appears to no longer really "need" Kitna around anymore... so I wouldn't be surprised to see him want to actually start somewhere. However... this does not appear to be a move that is in planning for that to happen... especially not this year. Krenzel was a #3 last year with the Bears! I'd hate to see the Bears not think he is talented enough to be their #3, and we immediately pick him up to be our only insurance for one of the more talented QB's in the NFL. That is asking for trouble.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I think there is a good possibility that Kitna will not be a Bengal when the season starts.  At best, he will be here one more year.  I see Krenzel being groomed to be Carson's backup.  Remember where Marvin came from.  His defense won a Super Bowl with a qb that did not light it up, but didn't hurt them either.  That is exactly what Craig Krenzel gives you.

I think that Marvin is confident that he can build a defense, within the next year, that can win games as long as they have a controlled offense.  That would be a heck of an insurance policy if Carson went down.  When the Bears release Krenzel I thought the Bengals may bite.  But not to be a 3rd qb, but rather Carson's eventual backup.

I still see Krenzel as a #3 at best. Kitna won't be around forever, and I don't know if he wants to go to another team where he can play. I have heard he's happy, but

Carson appears to no longer really "need" Kitna around anymore... so I wouldn't be surprised to see him want to actually start somewhere. However... this does not appear to be a move that is in planning for that to happen... especially not this year. Krenzel was a #3 last year with the Bears! I'd hate to see the Bears not think he is talented enough to be their #3, and we immediately pick him up to be our only insurance for one of the more talented QB's in the NFL. That is asking for trouble.

Krenzel is fighting for a spot ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD. Seriously, Kitna isn't going anywhere, he will retire a Bengal. Will it be next year? Maybe, but if he does, We will have Palmer and Casey Bramlet as our #1 and #2 QBs. Bramlet used his time in Europe to get an edge. We won't keep 4 QBs this year, which means neither Haldi nor Krenzel is going to stick on the roster. Bramlet would really have to screw up to lose out to these two scrubs.

Now either Haldi or Krenzel is going to end up on the practice squad if indeed the Bengals are planing on seeing Kitna retire after this season, which in my opinion is likely since he would be going into his 11th season, and would be 34 years old.

[7/11]

really though...craig krenzel (and i love him- go bucks) is terrible. the only reason he won in columbus is b/c he didn't mess up and let the defense win the games. in his career at osu, he had a 55% completion rating, threw like 35 td's in 45 games. he's smart, and doesn't mess up, and can scramble, but he has a very slow release, average arm strength, and is wildly incosistent on his throws...college was different, b/c the bucks had the best defense in the nation, and it was simply a matter of him not screwin it up. he didn't, but he can't play in the nfl.

maybe we're bringin him in to be fight haldi for our #3, while we shop kitna. he is the top back-up in the league and maybe somebody might want him. not sure what marvin and co. think of bramlet, but he should have a pretty good grasp of the offense. decent, anyways. we'll see...

[Defender]

Krenzel is fighting for a spot ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD. Seriously, Kitna isn't going anywhere, he will retire a Bengal. Will it be next year? Maybe, but if he does, We will have Palmer and Casey Bramlet as our #1 and #2 QBs. Bramlet used his time in Europe to get an edge. We won't keep 4 QBs this year, which means neither Haldi nor Krenzel is going to stick on the roster. Bramlet would really have to screw up to lose out to these two scrubs.

Now either Haldi or Krenzel is going to end up on the practice squad if indeed the Bengals are planing on seeing Kitna retire after this season, which in my opinion is likely since he would be going into his 11th season, and would be 34 years old.

I agree, Kitna is going to stay a Bengal for at least this year. Maybe Bramlet doesn't have to screw up as much as you think. He went to Europe and showed his true colors against defenses that aren't allowed to blitz. If worse comes to worse, I'd rather have my #3 be someone who has NFL experience and a couple wins with a bad team under his belt. Casey Bramlet just does not sit well with me as being a #2, even next year.

[jditty47]

bramlet is better than krenzel.

[kingwilly]

Consider Bramlet's value, now proven to some extent in NFLEL, once some QB's get hurt through camps and pre-season.

Also consider Kitna's value to a team like SF who has another young QB that needs tutledge.

Either could be trade bait...

Krenzel/Haldi is just an arm to keep Palmer from getting worn out in practice.

[Jet23]

Conventional wisdom dictates that Kitna should stay one more year, and I think he should, but I am still waiting for Mike Brown to show his true colors. Don't get me wrong, I give Brown all the credit in the world for bringing in Marvin and giving him the latitude to build his team the right way. However, I don't see Mike wanting to pay a backup qb 7 figures a second longer than absolutely necessary. So, why Craig Krenzel? Because the guy is a freaking rocket scientist that could pick up the offense very quickly.

I hope I am wrong, but I have a feeling that trading or releasing Kitna may be a trade off for possibly keeping P-dub.

[derekshank]

bramlet is better than krenzel.

Based on what evidence? I'm not saying you are wrong.. but I am saying that at least Krenzel was bad in the NFL. Bramlett was bad in Europe.

[Kirkendall]

bramlet is better than krenzel.

Based on what evidence? I'm not saying you are wrong.. but I am saying that at least Krenzel was bad in the NFL. Bramlett was bad in Europe.

Yea. Let's not forget Krenzel has started games so he has the experience edge. But all in all, I think this is the same as the Joe Germaine signing last year -- whole lotta nothin'.

[jditty47]

bramlet is better than krenzel.

Based on what evidence? I'm not saying you are wrong.. but I am saying that at least Krenzel was bad in the NFL. Bramlett was bad in Europe.

bad in europe by what standards? mb look at the roster that he had and the injuries that were experienced during that season for him at receiver then talk to me. Krenzel at least had the luxury of a decent back, bramlet didnt. Look what bramlet did early when he had decent weapons. now compare.