chrishcovga Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 Since I will immediately refuse to name my sources ( come get me FBI ) There have been numerous rumors stating that Philadelphia,Arizona,Miami and the Jets may have an interest in trading for Rudi Johnson.* One report said, that Arizona has the least interest but is considering Rudi's value compared to the value of the drafts' available running backs. - The source went on to say that Dennis Green would feel almost forced to take a running back at # 8, because he couldn't get starting value if a run on runningbacks took place at the end of round 1.** Miami would be interested only if they could force Rudi's trade value of 2 first rounders pushed into oncoming seasons. Source went on to say, that paying 6.3 million would be better than the high price of 40+ million that Cedric Benson would command as the 2nd overall selection.*** Jets are interested mainly because it's a given that Lamont Jordan is all but gone in a few days, while the age of Curtis Martin has to be taken into consideration. The source went onto say that, if the Jets give up a first this year, and a first next year, it harms them little considering that they feel they'll be picking along with the other playoff teams towards the end of Round one. ( They currently select 26th in the '05 draft.*** Philadelphia: The rumor persisting here is that the fan base wants Rudi Johnson. After the last game of the Season, a 38-10 drubbing where Johnson ran for 99 yards and 3 touchdowns showcased his talents thus starting the demand for him to play for the Eagles. The widely considered option for Andy Reid would be the fact that, this draft offers no value equal to Rudi Johnson at # 31, so a trade here makes the most sense. Quote
jjakq27 Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 Interesting stuff chris. The wild card in this is still Chris Perry. Is it worth the risk? Quote
shworge Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 I would be absolutely SHOCKED if somebody gave one first round pick for Rudi Johnson, much less two. I could see the Eagles giving up the third pick in the second round or Arizona giving up their second round pick, but there is no way anyone would give up two first rounders... if somebody was willing to pay that price why wouldn't they sign Edgerrin James instead? Quote
Niles Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 I would be absolutely SHOCKED if somebody gave one first round pick for Rudi Johnson, much less two. I could see the Eagles giving up the third pick in the second round or Arizona giving up their second round pick, but there is no way anyone would give up two first rounders... if somebody was willing to pay that price why wouldn't they sign Edgerrin James instead? If anyone wants Rudi they're going to have to give us 2 first round picks b/c of the franchise tag. Unless we work out a trade that is. Quote
combatbengal Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 I say keep Rudi. 1st of all, he want's to stay a Bengal. He has a great attitude, he's a proven RB, and knows our system. Perry may turn out ot be great but he has yet to prove anything to us. Sure the coaches have seen him in practice but haven't seen him in the real deal. Resign Rudi, Resign TJ and work on our Def in the draft. Quote
bengalboomer7 Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 Two words - I'm ListeningHey, chris, why hog all the good sources, man. I got computer time to burn Quote
AGrizzlyBaer Posted February 21, 2005 Report Posted February 21, 2005 i would love the extra pick(s) Quote
turningpoint Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Well i could honeslty see the eagles going for it..i mean u r not givng up much when u r giving up the #31 pick and probably next eyars pick will be 28 or worse.so 2 very late 1st round picks...for a proven 1300yd back..Teams are willing to give up 2 mid round picks just get to the top 5.Hell CLE gave up a 2nd rounder alone for 1 pick higher from 7 to 6.I could seriously see the eagles mulling over this possibility.\Rudi is only 24 years old....and proven...that's much better then 21 and unproven. Quote
Tiger Stripes Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 it makes sense but its hard to believe. Quote
JPW Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 I hate to say it, but Rudi to Philadelphia would make a lot of sense for them.He offers the one thing that they lack, a running back who can Bang the Ball between the tackles.He could have very well made the difference for them in the super bowl. Quote
DontPushMe Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 We would be lucky to get a 3rd round pick in exchange for Rudi Johnson. Quote
turningpoint Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 We would be lucky to get a 3rd round pick in exchange for Rudi Johnson. are you f**king kidding me...god i hate u.anyways he's younger has rushed for more yds then dillon would have at this age...is considered a top 10 NFl back....and we got 2nd round from a miserable f**k that didn;t even want to be here...s**t. Quote
OICanDoThat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 I'm not going to go to the extent that Don't Push Me went to, but we will never see two first day picks for Rudi. I can see a first rounder and a low rounder, or perhaps at the very most two later first day picks, but otherwise, its not gonna happen. The two pick casualty is meant to discourage tender offers, not to set a minimum trade price. Better players have been traded for much less, and Rudi is in a very rich RB market this year, both FA and draft. Supply and demand is working against the Bengals for a trade in this scenario.I seriously believe, unfortunately, that the Bengals franchised Rudi for the sole purpose of buying themselves negotiation time. And to my dismay, it will cost them, both in time devoted to contract negotiations, and the budget uncertainty hidering the team's freedom to explore other FAs. Quote
walshfan Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Marvin talks with Denny Green about Rudi Johnson. Green is interested but wont give up his first pick... they settle on the second round pick.denny tell Marvin to sign him to a deal for 4 to 4.5 mil then they trade.Marvin takes his first pick and drafts DT Antaaj Hawthorne so they can go to a 3-4 defense at times with Antaaj as the NT and Thornton and Smith as the ends.2nd round he takes SS Ernest Shazor to be an enforcer on TE's and blitzes.2nd round he takes C Chris Spencer who Braham will tutor.3rd round he takes a TE or LB or WR It wll happen if not Arizona then possibly Miami ...They both want a RB badly and in the long run would save on cap space with Johnson instead of bonus and escalaters for a high number one runner that isnt proven imo..... Quote
turningpoint Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Marvin talks with Denny Green about Rudi Johnson. Green is interested but wont give up his first pick... they settle on the second round pick.denny tell Marvin to sign him to a deal for 4 to 4.5 mil then they trade.Marvin takes his first pick and drafts DT Antaaj Hawthorne so they can go to a 3-4 defense at times with Antaaj as the NT and Thornton and Smith as the ends.2nd round he takes SS Ernest Shazor to be an enforcer on TE's and blitzes.2nd round he takes C Chris Spencer who Braham will tutor.3rd round he takes a TE or LB or WR It wll happen if not Arizona then possibly Miami ...They both want a RB badly and in the long run would save on cap space with Johnson instead of bonus and escalaters for a high number one runner that isnt proven imo..... lol 3-4 defense...lol what are you smoking..Marvin has never been a 3-4 defense guy, and wont use it as his base..It will be used, but man they aren't using their 1st rounder just to be able to use the 3-4 once every while...Not to nemtion since when has a 1st round draft pick started as the only DT on the field on opening day. Quote
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Marvin talks with Denny Green about Rudi Johnson. Green is interested but wont give up his first pick... they settle on the second round pick.denny tell Marvin to sign him to a deal for 4 to 4.5 mil then they trade. Any trade would have to be a "sign-the-franchise-tender-and-trade" deal; we can't work out a long-term contract with Rudi then deal him because we'd take the whole signing bonus hit this year. So any team would have to work out their own deal with him.I think the Bengals would want at least a first, and maybe a sweetener, like a fourth. I could see someone like Philly, way at the bottom of round one, doing that. But overall I think that a trade is a remote possibility. Quote
turningpoint Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 yeah no way cardinals give up there 1st rounder....the only thing i could see if the caridnals givign up there 2nd and 3rd rounder, but IMO that's almost better then there 1st rounder, cause they'll be getting a high 2nd rounder that most likely just droped out of the 1st round and be getting him at a relatively low price.same with the early 3rd round pick..these are picks that helpu build a solid team, something the cardinals desperately need.i could see us trading rudi to em for our 1st rounder, rudi and their 1st and 2nd rounder...It would be kinda cool also, I miss the glory days we had on draft day, when we had a top 5 pick. Quote
ckj414 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Since I will immediately refuse to name my sources ( come get me FBIÂ ) There have been numerous rumors stating that Philadelphia,Arizona,Miami and the Jets may have an interest in trading for Rudi Johnson.* One report said, that Arizona has the least interest but is considering Rudi's value compared to the value of the drafts' available running backs. - The source went on to say that Dennis Green would feel almost forced to take a running back at # 8, because he couldn't get starting value if a run on runningbacks took place at the end of round 1.** Miami would be interested only if they could force Rudi's trade value of 2 first rounders pushed into oncoming seasons. Source went on to say, that paying 6.3 million would be better than the high price of 40+ million that Cedric Benson would command as the 2nd overall selection.*** Jets are interested mainly because it's a given that Lamont Jordan is all but gone in a few days, while the age of Curtis Martin has to be taken into consideration. The source went onto say that, if the Jets give up a first this year, and a first next year, it harms them little considering that they feel they'll be picking along with the other playoff teams towards the end of Round one. ( They currently select 26th in the '05 draft.*** Philadelphia: The rumor persisting here is that the fan base wants Rudi Johnson. After the last game of the Season, a 38-10 drubbing where Johnson ran for 99 yards and 3 touchdowns showcased his talents thus starting the demand for him to play for the Eagles. The widely considered option for Andy Reid would be the fact that, this draft offers no value equal to Rudi Johnson at # 31, so a trade here makes the most sense.Most of this seems unlikely, especially the rumor regarding Philadelphia. They run a West-Coast offense, Rudi wouldn't fit in. Why spend 2 first round picks on a player you aren't going to use? Its not so much that the Eagles can't run the ball - they just don't. So I don't see this deal happening.Perhaps the Jets and/or Miami (if it doesn't cost them the 2nd overall) could happen though. Lets hope so, I think 2 first rounders, anywhere in the round, are worth more than Rudi... Quote
ckj414 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Just a quick question - doesn't the franchise tag mean that the player can only be traded for 2 1st round picks? Or does the team have the option of accepting less? I was under the impression that 2 1st round picks were mandatory, but I'm seeing far different trade scenarios on this thread... Quote
bengalboomer7 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 It depends on whether or not he signs the tag. SInce he hasn't signed it, we can't trade him at all. Quote
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Yup. The two first round picks only come into play if another team makes Rudi a long-term offer in FA. If someone does, the Bengals have a week (I believe) to match the offer and keep Rudi. Otherwise the team that signs him has to give us two firsts.Right now, if, say Arizona came and said, we'll give you our first and third for Rudi, and the Bengals wanted to take that, they would have to get Rudi to ink the franchise tender (so he'd be under contract) to do so. Now, whether Rudi would do that is a big question. He might think it better not to cooperate and keep the pressure on the Bengals by chewing up a huge chunk of cap space -- in the hopes that they latch onto someone expensive in FA and have to remove the tag to sign them (making Rudi a UFA). And by signing the tender for a trade, he arguably loses leverage with the team he gets traded to, since he's now under contract whether he gets that long-term deal or not.Realistically, Rudi would have to get some assurances from any team that wanted him that his desires would be met. So you end up with a three-cornered negotiation that's tough to pull off (which is why these things happen rarely in the NFL). Quote
Dewboy01 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Just a quick question - doesn't the franchise tag mean that the player can only be traded for 2 1st round picks? Or does the team have the option of accepting less? I was under the impression that 2 1st round picks were mandatory, but I'm seeing far different trade scenarios on this thread...Once he is designated as the Bengals franchise player, any other team may sign him to a contract. However that team would then have to give up two 1st round picks, one this year, one next year. If a team doesn't have a first round pick in each year, they may not sign another teams franchise designated player. Once Rudi signs the tender, he is under contract to the Bengals and guaranteed the average salary of the top 5 highest paid RB's in the league. At that point the we can trade him to another team for any compensation deemed acceptable. Quote
ckj414 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Thanks Joisey and Dewboy, that answers my question . Quote
Bobcat Bengal Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 It would be kinda cool also, I miss the glory days we had on draft day, when we had a top 5 pick. Glory days.....I guess man. Quote
jjakq27 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 yeah no way cardinals give up there 1st rounder....the only thing i could see if the caridnals givign up there 2nd and 3rd rounder, but IMO that's almost better then there 1st rounder, cause they'll be getting a high 2nd rounder that most likely just droped out of the 1st round and be getting him at a relatively low price.same with the early 3rd round pick..these are picks that helpu build a solid team, something the cardinals desperately need.i could see us trading rudi to em for our 1st rounder, rudi and their 1st and 2nd rounder...It would be kinda cool also, I miss the glory days we had on draft day, when we had a top 5 pick. is that glory or gory Quote
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