WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I just read the whole Rudi thing and I was confused. I mean its not like you guys were in great shape to draft a Rb, you had other needs. If you were just gonna franchise Rudi what was the point?Does the coaching staff not have faith in Perry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Who knows if he'll be healthy plus Rudi's a darn good back no matter what some of the "experts" think around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Who knows... most of us still don't.Some say it was to pressure Rudi to signing a long term deal.Some say primary for a utility-type player. Some say you pick up the best available -- which seems contradictory.Honestly, I have no idea.... still don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Probably the same reasons the Bills drafted Willis, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 So far, thats what I figured. I mean Rudi has proven himself, for you guys not to lock him up long term (thats what he wants, right? ) is foolish. When we took McGahee it didn't make sense either, but then again, Mcgahee was a projected top 3 pick, and he's better than who we had. I don't think the same can be said about perry. Well thanks for taking Rudi off the market, thusly driving up the price for Travis Henry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Probably the same reasons the Bills drafted Willis, right? Like I said, Willis was a little different. While we didn't need a RB, Willis has shown that he could be a dynamic player, much more so than Travis Henry. Perry wasn't an upgrade from what you had, and with slapping the tag on Rudi i think its obvious that Perry isn't as good, or at least as ready. How much action did Perry see, and how'd he do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 In all fairness we still haven't seen a healthy Perry yet. So perhaps, this should be a wait and see before we go off the wall -- which we've done for almost a full year now and justifiably so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 2 rushes, 1 yard and 3 (?) catches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 wHAT DID HE INJURE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 He had a sports hernia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 wHAT DID HE INJURE? his intestines were poking out a hole in his stomach for most of the season (sports hernia), so he only had 2 rushes, while injured. he did however have 3 catches for 33 yards, showing that he can indeed catch the ball out of the backfield, something Rudi cannot do very well at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 he had a hernia, which means he practically tore his lower abs right off his front hip bone.anyways the is a flat out beast in the passing game, i expect the guy to be a great back, and he will be in a year.I think Rudi is a good strong 3 and 1 back, and i see him being a duece staley type back.Anyways this doesn't drive up the market on travis Henry, because Rudi is still available to be traded for the right price also buddy.Anyways Glad to see this is resolved, and i'm happy he's here for 1 more year, he does solidify our RB situation, but i'm a little depressed atthe fact, that we wont be landing a big name FA unless Herring, Hardy, and Kelley are gone in the next 17days, and i honestly believe this will be happening. Lewis just doesn't want to move to early.Most liekly I see us going after a big name FA at the start of the Period, and we make a big splash with the following of an announcement that the 3 mentioned above have been cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I think Rudi is a good strong 3 and 1 back, and i see him being a duece staley type back. I disagree. 3rd and 1, when the Bengals called a dive he rarely picked it up when the Bengals needed to hold onto the ball the most. Despite his size, I still think of Rudi as a finesse runner than a power back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Anyways this doesn't drive up the market on travis Henry, because Rudi is still available to be traded for the right price also buddy. That dosen't make any sense. Of course it will. There is one fewer FA on the market. Travis is much more affordable because he is under contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 wHAT DID HE INJURE?He hurt our chances of a major free agent signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Probably the same reasons the Bills drafted Willis, right?Like I said, Willis was a little different. While we didn't need a RB, Willis has shown that he could be a dynamic player, much more so than Travis Henry. Perry wasn't an upgrade from what you had, and with slapping the tag on Rudi i think its obvious that Perry isn't as good, or at least as ready. How much action did Perry see, and how'd he do? Perry wasnt an upgrade or downgrade when they decided to draft him.. He's a different type of running back... Rudi is a north/south runner while Perry can take it outside and catch the ball effectively...I believe Perry gives Bratkowski more options now...the franchising of Johnson merely means that they want compensation for him.Trading him for a second rounder isnt out of the question...Keeping the 6.3 on a back that will split time next season is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 So is a "peerless Price" situation in order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turi Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Anyways this doesn't drive up the market on travis Henry, because Rudi is still available to be traded for the right price also buddy.That dosen't make any sense. Of course it will. There is one fewer FA on the market. Travis is much more affordable because he is under contract. Yeah it's true, simple supply and demand.What's the compensation for picking up a tagged player? I think it's two first rounders, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still unsure of this franchise/transitional tag lark. This makes the untagged players more demanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 So is a "peerless Price" situation in order? What 'chu talkin' 'bout Willis! It be nuthin' like dat! Our Bengals team owner Mr. Mike Brown, got blind drunk at a bar the night before the draft, and when he heard the announcement of the Bengals turn arriving, his lifted his head from the table, Unfortunately the only name his eyes could manage to focus on through his stupor was that of Chris Perry.....and that's the rest of the story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Probably the same reasons the Bills drafted Willis, right?Perry wasn't an upgrade from what you had, and with slapping the tag on Rudi i think its obvious that Perry isn't as good, or at least as ready. LOL Sammy Morris would be an upgrade over Rudi Johnson. Rudi is a bad starting RB, despite what some blind fans will say. They will point to his 'great' stats on the year, but really his stats were inflated by a few games, and most of them by 1 half, most games around halftime he would have about 16 carries for 30 yards, then break a 20 yarder or 2 when the game was already over that inflated his stats. Look at these games...carries/yards23/67 (long 16)22/67 (long 14)16/5717/57 (long 18)16/62 (long 16)19/5624/89 (long 18)19/31 (long 11 )28/99 (long 25)26/95 (long 25)31/102^^^ all below 4 ypc, most of his long runs were when the game was over with anyway, which made his pathetic stats look betterHis stats were inflated by these games, as Rudi would probly call them, contract games:23/9824/12324/11926/20223/130^^ our record in his stat inflation games was 2-3he doesnt matter at all to this team, without those 5 games, rudi is signing somewhere for just above the league minimum, and what do we have to show for his good games? a losing record in themPeople will point to perrys season and laugh, at stuff like his 3 catches, but even on his 3 catches he showed why he is better than rudi. In his 3 catches in 1 game, he received for only 50 less yards then rudi did in 16 games. He cant help it if he is injured and our medical staff diagnosed it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Sammy Morris would be an upgrade over Rudi Johnson. Rudi is a bad starting RB, despite what some blind fans will say.Why would anyone take you seriously with stupid babble like this? Do you think anyone buys into your twisted logic? Do you even watch football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I was all riled up to jump on you when I read the subject heading, but it's clear that you were just trying to make sense of it all. Truth is, WE, so are we. I still don't know why we drafted Perry and the only reason for tagging Rudi to me is that the injury that kept Perry out changed the play (which must have been to leverage hard against Rudi and let him walk if he played too much hardball). Oh well, these things happen. I know you don't agree, but it actually is very much like the Willis draft. You drafted him as a high risk high reward player. If he panned out then he was a steal. Kinda a Randy Moss pick (although for different reasons). All of this leaves me, however, with renewed concern about our need -- DEFENSE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Anyways this doesn't drive up the market on travis Henry, because Rudi is still available to be traded for the right price also buddy.That dosen't make any sense. Of course it will. There is one fewer FA on the market. Travis is much more affordable because he is under contract. Yeah it's true, simple supply and demand.What's the compensation for picking up a tagged player? I think it's two first rounders, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still unsure of this franchise/transitional tag lark. This makes the untagged players more demanded. I think if you still jetisoned Rudi, it would be through a trade were you would sign him and then trade him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisXPress Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I was all riled up to jump on you when I read the subject heading, but it's clear that you were just trying to make sense of it all. Truth is, WE, so are we. I still don't know why we drafted Perry and the only reason for tagging Rudi to me is that the injury that kept Perry out changed the play (which must have been to leverage hard against Rudi and let him walk if he played too much hardball). Oh well, these things happen. I know you don't agree, but it actually is very much like the Willis draft. You drafted him as a high risk high reward player. If he panned out then he was a steal. Kinda a Randy Moss pick (although for different reasons). All of this leaves me, however, with renewed concern about our need -- DEFENSE! Yeah, it dosen't seem to make sense. Especially cause you had such a good draft before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Anyways this doesn't drive up the market on travis Henry, because Rudi is still available to be traded for the right price also buddy.That dosen't make any sense. Of course it will. There is one fewer FA on the market. Travis is much more affordable because he is under contract. Yeah it's true, simple supply and demand.What's the compensation for picking up a tagged player? I think it's two first rounders, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still unsure of this franchise/transitional tag lark. This makes the untagged players more demanded. OMFG, pretty muc that means us franchising Rudi, he is under contract with us for a year.....unless...A. He signs with another club and we match.B. He signs iwth another club adn we take 2 1st round picks.C. WE decide to just trade him straight up for a draft pick and/or player just like u guys can with Travis Henry.D. we sign him long term.Sorry this changes nothing, people would still rather have rudi for a 2nd round pick then Travis "i like to fumble" Henry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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