redsfan2 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Oh .... one more thing. I'd said before that I couldn't think a any running back who was injured in his first year and then came back and really been anything more than adequate. Before Mcgahee fans show up, he was injured in college and sat out his first year. He wasn't injured in his first year. He also seemed to be a little bit to the brittle side. He had a decent year, and I was glad to see it ... but I still have to wonder about his ability to hold up for the long haul ...... That's kind of where I am with Perry too. How about it ............. any amazing comebacks that we can say would give us reason to be optimistic about Perry ??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Say he's a bust (whatever), say he's going to be great (whatever). We all know this comes down to money and making the WHOLE team better. I can't see us not improving our Defense at the expense of one position. I'm probably like most Bengal fans in the fact that when you have something that half way works, why change it and there is a comfort zone with Rudi. I love what he did this year and you have to give him tons of credit for being the class act his predecessor was not. However, money will make this decision for the organization and once again, how much do you sacrifice for one position ?? Keep in mind our cap situation and I have to think that a big number from Rudi's agent may mean his departure. I would like to see both him and Perry in the backfield. Now that would be fun !!Rudi, tell your agent to get this done regardless. You're the f**king boss !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Because you want him to fail? Not at all. Quite frankly, I'd have more confidence in Perry if the most likely reason for him being named starter had nothing to do with the contract demands of Rudi Johnson. Then factor in my very real concerns about his durability and my lingering doubts that he was actually drafted to be Rudi's true replacement. Go figure, huh? If Perry gets the starting job I hope he quickly proves Rudi Johnson was as expendable as Corey Dillon turned out to be. I hope Perry can provide the big play ability so many of you think Rudi lacks...as well as proving he can handle the workload Johnson managed. I just have my doubts these things will happen. You see, I've simply got too much respect for what Rudi has done in almost two full seasons as the Bengals feature back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry is a better runningback then Rudi Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry is a better runningback then Rudi Johnson. Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, the better question is, what proof do you have to back up that statement, Dont push me. I think I directed a comment towards you earlier that went along the lines of "I wish you had some game tape to back that up" No offense bro, but that is a stupid statement. You have no evidence of that being true. If perry would have gotten some PT to show something then maybe I would let this slide, but you are saying a guy that has never had more than a couple of carries is better than a guy that just broke the team rushing record. I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!! Yeah, ya big "holdoutski!" You gotta be carrying something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry is a better runningback then Rudi Johnson.Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?BN1281It's hard to say that Chris Perry is a better back than Rudi Johnson, given that Perry hasn't been on the field. But it's kind of silly to boil the question down to perceptions of a guy being a "team first" guy. That has little to do with who's the better back. The hated one appears to be a better back than Rudi, but Rudi has only had a couple good seasons to prove his worth. He hasn't done badly, but he's shown some limitations that the hated one doesn't have. When the hated one was here, there were backs I would have rather had than him, and there are backs I'd rather have than Rudi - on a dream team if not the Bengals - some of it has to do with fit. To be sure the hated one has been a crybaby and particularly crossed lines when he refused to play and showed up late for a game, but a Super Bowl win and one more 1,000 yard season and he's in the hall of fame. It remains to be seen what Rudi will do, but it would help if he could catch, was a little niftier and moved the pile a little better. If Perry isn't made of glass and he can get it done on the field, he'll be a better back, if not, he's not - regardless of all that warm and fuzzy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chris Perry will be the perfect back for this system... the guy IMO will be a bigger version of Rhonder Barber..Best Comparison i got is Fred Taylor...14 games a year freddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Best Comparison i got is Fred Taylor...14 games a year freddy.14 games a year freddy? Before missing the final 2 games of this season, he had made his past 46 consecutive starts. Not sure where you got that one from...It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, the better question is, what proof do you have to back up that statement, Dont push me. I think I directed a comment towards you earlier that went along the lines of "I wish you had some game tape to back that up" No offense bro, but that is a stupid statement. You have no evidence of that being true. If perry would have gotten some PT to show something then maybe I would let this slide, but you are saying a guy that has never had more than a couple of carries is better than a guy that just broke the team rushing record. I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!!College, practice, and the coaches opinions on him. You know, the things that made the coaches draft him in the first place. But that makes too much sense for you guys i guess...And rudi only broke the record because he got way too many carries. I can gain 1000 yards, it would just take me about 1000 carries to do it. Its all about efficiency, Rudi is not efficient. Rudi got 46 more carries this year then dillon did in the year he set the rushing record, and rudi only broke the record by 19 yards. Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?Umm, just because i stated a fact doesnt mean i hate rudi. Terell Owens is a better WR then Chad Johnson... that doesnt mean i hate Chad, im just stating a fact.Oh, and those stalker jokes are funny, i swear, keep them coming, they are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Even though the big ten is a power conference it no way compares to that of the NFL, Please see the new documentary "Draft day secrets to success, by Mike Brown " to realize that. Once he shows himself on the field I may back that up, but to say that at this point is just plain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan2330 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Here we go again! Just like last year, lots of big name players who invest some 'interest' in playing for the Bengals and then turn the tables in the end. We are becoming a pawn for players against their current and other teams. This made me so ill last year with all of the possible big names we were going to pick up and none of them showed up. Hard to believe that this team even has to worry about running backs right now, no reason for it- Bengals decided to chance it and roll the dice on Rudi not having a good season by not signing him long term before the season when they had the chance, and now that they have rolled craps they need to pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 they need to pay up.They don't necessarily have to pay up... that is why Perry's name keeps coming up. How easy would this have been if Perry played well in a handful of games this year, like Stephen Jackson in St. Louis? Rudi would be an afterthought. Too bad he did absolutely nothing. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I predict Rudi won't find anyone with a long term deal, and will end up playing next year under the franchise tag. He won't sit out. Perry and Watson can probably handle the load, but who wants to chance it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 they need to pay up.They don't necessarily have to pay up... that is why Perry's name keeps coming up. How easy would this have been if Perry played well in a handful of games this year, like Stephen Jackson in St. Louis? Rudi would be an afterthought. Too bad he did absolutely nothing. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I predict Rudi won't find anyone with a long term deal, and will end up playing next year under the franchise tag. He won't sit out. Perry and Watson can probably handle the load, but who wants to chance it? I do if it means a 2 big names FA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 they need to pay up.They don't necessarily have to pay up... that is why Perry's name keeps coming up. How easy would this have been if Perry played well in a handful of games this year, like Stephen Jackson in St. Louis? Rudi would be an afterthought. Too bad he did absolutely nothing. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I predict Rudi won't find anyone with a long term deal, and will end up playing next year under the franchise tag. He won't sit out. Perry and Watson can probably handle the load, but who wants to chance it? Uhh, if Chris Perry performed like Steven Jackson i would of been worried. Steven Jackson, exactly as i predicted, looks like hes not going to be a great pro.And to bengalboomer7... What did we know of Palmer going into this past season then? Even less. Yet he proved to be an upgrade. Perry over Rudi will be the same type of upgrade as Palmer ove Kitna was. The previous starter was not as talented, but played hard, and was replaced by players with pro bowl type of talent. Just wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BersMrnsT Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I predict Rudi won't find anyone with a long term deal, and will end up playing next year under the franchise tag.I don't think that Rudi will be franchised no matter what. But if he can't find anyone with a long term deal, then they definitely won't franchise him because there'd be no point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 OK, but I don't remember Kitna breaking any passing records. I'll take rudi if the money is right, but if they don't we will be relying on a unproven player! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 And to bengalboomer7... What did we know of Palmer going into this past season then? Even less. Yet he proved to be an upgrade. Perry over Rudi will be the same type of upgrade as Palmer ove Kitna was. The previous starter was not as talented, but played hard, and was replaced by players with pro bowl type of talent. Just wait and see. We only know that Palmer was an upgrade over Kitna now that we have seen Palmer play for a year. Before declaring that Perry will be better, let's see what he can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Best Comparison i got is Fred Taylor...14 games a year freddy.14 games a year freddy? Before missing the final 2 games of this season, he had made his past 46 consecutive starts. Not sure where you got that one from...It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, the better question is, what proof do you have to back up that statement, Dont push me. I think I directed a comment towards you earlier that went along the lines of "I wish you had some game tape to back that up" No offense bro, but that is a stupid statement. You have no evidence of that being true. If perry would have gotten some PT to show something then maybe I would let this slide, but you are saying a guy that has never had more than a couple of carries is better than a guy that just broke the team rushing record. I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!!College, practice, and the coaches opinions on him. You know, the things that made the coaches draft him in the first place. But that makes too much sense for you guys i guess...And rudi only broke the record because he got way too many carries. I can gain 1000 yards, it would just take me about 1000 carries to do it. Its all about efficiency, Rudi is not efficient. Rudi got 46 more carries this year then dillon did in the year he set the rushing record, and rudi only broke the record by 19 yards. Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?Umm, just because i stated a fact doesnt mean i hate rudi. Terell Owens is a better WR then Chad Johnson... that doesnt mean i hate Chad, im just stating a fact.Oh, and those stalker jokes are funny, i swear, keep them coming, they are great. I don't think that you hate Rudi b/c you say that Perry is a better back, I think that you hate him because you never seem to have anything but negative things to say about Rudi and you sing the praises of a RB who has not done anything at all to prove that he could be a productive player in the NFL. At this point, Perry has proven that he can get the coach a good cup of coffee, but that's about it.So I ask again: why do you seem to hate Rudi and constantly downplay his accomplishments for the Bengals?Oh, and your mom loves my stalker jokes (damn, a "yo mama" joke, too! I'm on fire )I'm sorry that you don't think that my stalker jokes are funny. I, however, think your mindless homerism and repetitive opinions are hilarious.BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 BN1281, whoever that beautiful redhead is, and I am not usually one to go for the redheads, I thank you. Even though she does have a spine eerily similar to the Species films, she is definitely of fine, errr, how do you say, stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Best Comparison i got is Fred Taylor...14 games a year freddy.14 games a year freddy? Before missing the final 2 games of this season, he had made his past 46 consecutive starts. Not sure where you got that one from...It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, the better question is, what proof do you have to back up that statement, Dont push me. I think I directed a comment towards you earlier that went along the lines of "I wish you had some game tape to back that up" No offense bro, but that is a stupid statement. You have no evidence of that being true. If perry would have gotten some PT to show something then maybe I would let this slide, but you are saying a guy that has never had more than a couple of carries is better than a guy that just broke the team rushing record. I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!!College, practice, and the coaches opinions on him. You know, the things that made the coaches draft him in the first place. But that makes too much sense for you guys i guess...And rudi only broke the record because he got way too many carries. I can gain 1000 yards, it would just take me about 1000 carries to do it. Its all about efficiency, Rudi is not efficient. Rudi got 46 more carries this year then dillon did in the year he set the rushing record, and rudi only broke the record by 19 yards. Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?Umm, just because i stated a fact doesnt mean i hate rudi. Terell Owens is a better WR then Chad Johnson... that doesnt mean i hate Chad, im just stating a fact.Oh, and those stalker jokes are funny, i swear, keep them coming, they are great. I don't think that you hate Rudi b/c you say that Perry is a better back, I think that you hate him because you never seem to have anything but negative things to say about Rudi and you sing the praises of a RB who has not done anything at all to prove that he could be a productive player in the NFL. At this point, Perry has proven that he can get the coach a good cup of coffee, but that's about it.So I ask again: why do you seem to hate Rudi and constantly downplay his accomplishments for the Bengals?Oh, and your mom loves my stalker jokes (damn, a "yo mama" joke, too! I'm on fire )I'm sorry that you don't think that my stalker jokes are funny. I, however, think your mindless homerism and repetitive opinions are hilarious.BN1281 Uh, actually, I think "He dissed the city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is more indicative of mindless homerism than anything this guy says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Well, Thumper, some people like Cincinnati, and they get defensive if you trash on their hometown. I've never actually been to Cincinnati, so I couldn't tell you whether I would defend it or not.And besides, I'm not asking about who does or doesn't like the city...I'm asking DontPushMe why he has such ill feelings about Rudi, and I'm fairly sure that he won't give me a straight answer.BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 The whole point is it's ridiculous to call Perry the better back when he's not really played a snap in the NFL. I don't remember anyone using their first pick to draft Jon Kitna! Anyways, Perry has done nothing outside the big ten and the NFL is no comparison to college football. If Perry comes out and rushes well, we can come back to this conversation, until then, this notion that Perry is better is absolutely ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Best Comparison i got is Fred Taylor...14 games a year freddy.14 games a year freddy? Before missing the final 2 games of this season, he had made his past 46 consecutive starts. Not sure where you got that one from...It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, the better question is, what proof do you have to back up that statement, Dont push me. I think I directed a comment towards you earlier that went along the lines of "I wish you had some game tape to back that up" No offense bro, but that is a stupid statement. You have no evidence of that being true. If perry would have gotten some PT to show something then maybe I would let this slide, but you are saying a guy that has never had more than a couple of carries is better than a guy that just broke the team rushing record. I guess the only thing else to say is whatever drugs your getting, you need to share!!!!!!College, practice, and the coaches opinions on him. You know, the things that made the coaches draft him in the first place. But that makes too much sense for you guys i guess...And rudi only broke the record because he got way too many carries. I can gain 1000 yards, it would just take me about 1000 carries to do it. Its all about efficiency, Rudi is not efficient. Rudi got 46 more carries this year then dillon did in the year he set the rushing record, and rudi only broke the record by 19 yards. Why do you hate Rudi? Why do you have so much love for Corey but you hate a team-first guy like Rudi? Do you have the part of your brain that provides logic and common sense?Did Corey buy your act as the "friendly pizza delivery guy," or did he call the cops on you again?Umm, just because i stated a fact doesnt mean i hate rudi. Terell Owens is a better WR then Chad Johnson... that doesnt mean i hate Chad, im just stating a fact.Oh, and those stalker jokes are funny, i swear, keep them coming, they are great. I'm sorry that you don't think that my stalker jokes are funny. I, however, think your mindless homerism and repetitive opinions are hilarious. You called me a mindless homer? Wow... Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckj414 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 He is using us for leverage, shouldnt be anything new to the bengals.IMO we dont need him, he is way better then Rudi Johnson, but i think Chris Perry will be just as good as SA only cheaper, and a huge upgrade over Rudi Johnson. Perry would be our best back since the great one in his prime with us. I hope you're right about that, except Chris Perry didn't impress me at all at Michigan...thats not to say that I don't think Perry should get the starting role next season, I don't think Rudi's worth resigning at what he's asking for. I just don't know if Perry will be as good as you're saying.Besides, who was the last Big 10 runningback to pay off for the team that drafted him? I can't think of any in recent history... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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