Pandre Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 I was just wondering if anyone thought the bengals could play a 3-4 Defense? Maybe have Smith, Thorton, and a good DE (Free Agent or Draft Pick). Then Hardy, Webster, Miller, and Johnson behind them. Does anyone believe this to be possbile? Quote
Kirkendall Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 Bresnahan said we'd run more 3-4 in '05 but the base defense remains at 4-3. Perhaps if we had a big ol' fatty nose tackle then a 3-4 is a possible solution. But this team, with this personnel, I don't think it would work. But if they commited to it, heck, we have a ton of room for improvement, so it couldn't be too bad. Quote
schweinhart Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 Th big fatty NT may have been what ML had in mind in signing Shaun Smith late in the season. There might be more 3-4 looks in the future but I can't see it as the primary scheme given the personnel. But I would like to see Justin play some LB in a 3-4 front just to see what would happen. Quote
walshfan Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 In order to run an effective 34 you need a big ole slobbberknocker in the middle.Shaun Smith isnt very good.. an emergency backup is all... The team will still try and sign a big DT or draft one... Quote
turningpoint Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 I was just wondering if anyone thought the bengals could play a 3-4 Defense? Maybe have Smith, Thorton, and a good DE (Free Agent or Draft Pick). Then Hardy, Webster, Miller, and Johnson behind them. Does anyone believe this to be possbile?and move brians simmons to STRONG SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!best run D EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Welcome to the forums, but seriously don't forget about one of the best defenders on our team. Quote
TubThumper Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 I'm leary of the 3-4 defense. It's great when you get the right personnel, but I've seen 3-4 defenses get loaded up with a bunch of "tweeners". The Bengals' personnel pipeline seems kind of iffy at this stage to reliably staff a 3-4 defense, especially since they've already invested in lighter linebackers. Quote
BengalNation1281 Posted January 28, 2005 Report Posted January 28, 2005 I like the 4-3, but if we could find a huge DT I wouldn't mind seeing more 3-4. Are there any FA DTs that would fill the gap efficiently enough for a 3-4?BN1281 Quote
#85MVP Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 i like the 3-4 defense, especially since we have young Linebacking core. maybe we can draft a LB in the 1st round and go with a run-stopping DT later in the draft b/c all the 1st rounders are pass rushers. We do have Mathias Askew 4th round pick last year.Pat Williams from the Bills is a run-stuffer, he might be old but he will last us till we develop a run-stopping NT Quote
CTBengalsFan Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 I was just wondering if anyone thought the bengals could play a 3-4 Defense? Maybe have Smith, Thorton, and a good DE (Free Agent or Draft Pick). Then Hardy, Webster, Miller, and Johnson behind them. Does anyone believe this to be possbile? Why Hardy and not Simmons?why Hardy at all? Quote
turningpoint Posted January 30, 2005 Report Posted January 30, 2005 yeah exactly my thoughts hell look at my post.. he doesn't even include Simmons... Quote
Pandre Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Posted February 9, 2005 Simply put I just forgot about Simmons. Im sorry im sorry I just forgot. Simmons is in then and let Hardy go. Quote
DontPushMe Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Our LBs arent good enough to do that. Too bad we let Takeo Spikes walk, he is a star! Quote
skyline Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Anything to mix it up a little. I wouldn't want to commit to the 3-4 as our base, but I think we should be able to throw it in more often as Chuck says he wants to do. Quote
Kirkendall Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Our LBs arent good enough to do that. Too bad we let Takeo Spikes walk, he is a star! Why do you say that? Quote
CincyJay Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 I wouldn't mind throwing in a litt bit of 3-4, but it seems that we were just getting good at our current scheme near the end of the season, why mess with it. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 IMO, taking into account the present defensive roster of the Bengals, if you think our run defense was porous with the 4-3...you ain't seen 'nuthin' yet! Marvin is building the defense oriented around the 4-3. Why do people think he's wrong about it? I doubt they know more than he!Marvin likes the 4-3 for the Bengals, therefor I like the 4-3 defense for the Bengals! :player: Quote
whodey_88 Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Marvin likes the 4-3 for the Bengals, therefor I like the 4-3 defense for the Bengals!i'll second that.......... Quote
BersMrnsT Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 Askew is only 308, that's about 30 pounds short of the average 3-4 NT. As for free agency, Pat Williams is old and will probably resign with the Bills, and there are really no other FA's that could play NT. I think we'll probably have to look to the draft to find our guy. Quote
DontPushMe Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 Askew is only 308, that's about 30 pounds short of the average 3-4 NT. As for free agency, Pat Williams is old and will probably resign with the Bills, and there are really no other FA's that could play NT. I think we'll probably have to look to the draft to find our guy. i dont know how many times ML has to say he doesnt want large DTs before the fans finally get it through their skullshe wants athletic, small, quick DTs, not big NT typesand there is no way we will go to a base 3-4... it might be used every now and then, but it will not be our base defense with ml here Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 i dont know how many times ML has to say he doesnt want large DTs before the fans finally get it through their skullshe wants athletic, small, quick DTs, not big NT typesand there is no way we will go to a base 3-4... it might be used every now and then, but it will not be our base defense with ml here Oh man...this is the second time in as many days I've totally agreed with Pushy. I gotta go get a fresh cup of coffee to help settle my nerves now! Quote
glnwf Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 I don't forsee the Bengals going to a 3-4 with the present personnel either. No beef cake in the middle, plus you do need a slightly better Linebacker crew, although I do like the Bengals crew. Hardy,Simmons, Webster if his injury allows him to return to form. :player: Quote
BersMrnsT Posted February 11, 2005 Report Posted February 11, 2005 i dont know how many times ML has to say he doesnt want large DTs before the fans finally get it through their skullshe wants athletic, small, quick DTs, not big NT typesWhile he may have said that, history would tell us that he is definitely open to change. Look at two of the picks from the last couple drafts, Langston Moore (6-1, 303) and Matthias Askew (6-5, 308). While neither of these guys fit the mold of a 3-4 NT, they aren't exactly small either. Also, look at ML's 2000 Ravens D, the DT's were Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams, both of which can be described as anything but small and quickish, and that defense didn't work out that badly. It is these reasons that lead me to hold out hope (as I have more faith in big run-pluggers than small, quick DT's) that if the right opportunity presented itself (probably the draft), Marvin would be willing to sacrifice his philosophy about the small, quick interior linemen. Plus, that was also a large part of Frazier's thinking, Bresnahan might want to go in a different direction. Quote
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