boomer77 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 just heard on fox that ken zampese will likely interview for the offensive coordinator job at san francisco. clearly, this wouldn't be good for carson's continuing development... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 ehhh doesn't mean he'll get the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 You don't think he'll get it after Zampese's protege torched Nolan's defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 A couple points: One, with the emerging success of our offense I would hate to see Ken go; however, Carson battled through numerous offensive systems at USC before his breakout season, it won't be the first time he will have to overcome the coaching change. Secondly, how valuable is the quarterbacks coach to a veteran QB? At what point does his value diminish, experience wise? Does it ever diminish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I would say that it's probably nice to have the extra set of eyes but I would think the role would diminish a little after a few years. He probably keeps an eye on mechanics and helps with the ofensive plays I thought Zampese was a really good coach and I was actually looking for him to replace Brat(this year I was hoping) instead of the D movement to chuck. I'd rather see Zampese in Cincy next year regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 In the grand scheme of things, this is not a huge potential problem. On the other hand, I really do think Zampese had a lot to do with CP's progress during the season and I would be disappointed to see him go. One more year here with CP would be my preference. Can't blame the guy for trying to move into a coordinator position though -- if he's offered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 In the grand scheme of things, this is not a huge potential problem. On the other hand, I really do think Zampese had a lot to do with CP's progress during the season and I would be disappointed to see him go. One more year here with CP would be my preference. Can't blame the guy for trying to move into a coordinator position though -- if he's offered it. The potential situation might be that Brat gets offered a HC job after next season. (don't laugh). Then Zamp could move up to be our OC. I read something at the end of the year basically stating that Brat is moving up the list for potential HC based on his success with Kitna last year and Carson this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 The potential situation might be that Brat gets offered a HC job after next season. (don't laugh). Then Zamp could move up to be our OC. I read something at the end of the year basically stating that Brat is moving up the list for potential HC based on his success with Kitna last year and Carson this year. jjakq, looks like you have a loner, hope you get to call it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think it would be a huge mistake to lose Zampese. He is clearly the most talented assistant coach we have. I say take away Paul Alexander's Assistant Head Coach title, give it to Zampese and continue to groom him to take over for Brat.I think Zampese will be a head coach within 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 The potential situation might be that Brat gets offered a HC job after next season. (don't laugh). Then Zamp could move up to be our OC. I read something at the end of the year basically stating that Brat is moving up the list for potential HC based on his success with Kitna last year and Carson this year.jjakq, looks like you have a loner, hope you get to call it Thanks OI, I hope so too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I guess right now he is considered "the leading candidate" Sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I think it would be a huge mistake to lose Zampese. He is clearly the most talented assistant coach we have. I say take away Paul Alexander's Assistant Head Coach title, give it to Zampese and continue to groom him to take over for Brat.I think Zampese will be a head coach within 5 years. It's hard to call something that we have no control over a mistake. If the guy gets offered an OC job, then it's hard to deny him the chance. I think he's earned it.I'd hate to see him go, but I don't think it will be a detrimental loss. He's not the only man on earth capable of coaching Carson along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I think it would be a huge mistake to lose Zampese. He is clearly the most talented assistant coach we have. I say take away Paul Alexander's Assistant Head Coach title, give it to Zampese and continue to groom him to take over for Brat.I think Zampese will be a head coach within 5 years.It's hard to call something that we have no control over a mistake. If the guy gets offered an OC job, then it's hard to deny him the chance. I think he's earned it.I'd hate to see him go, but I don't think it will be a detrimental loss. He's not the only man on earth capable of coaching Carson along. At this point ( I can't believe I'm saying this ) , I think Brat would be the bigger loss of the two. Palmer struggled in college due to a change of offensive schemes ... ie coordinators .... not qb coaches. Reading the kids background, he's been coached/ taught how to be an NFL quarterback since he was about 5. Considering that, I think most anyone the Bengals plugged into the spot would be OK with Carson. Changing offenses on the other hand .... just after the light was coming on for him with this one would ( imo ) be a real set back. Not insurmountable, but a set back that would result in going through the " growing pains " process again. Hopefully, neither happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The potential situation might be that Brat gets offered a HC job after next season. (don't laugh). Then Zamp could move up to be our OC. I read something at the end of the year basically stating that Brat is moving up the list for potential HC based on his success with Kitna last year and Carson this year.jjakq, looks like you have a loner, hope you get to call it Thanks OI, I hope so too! The few times I've been dealt hands like that .......... They turn up Clubs. Never fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 McCarthy got the job.http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...10044144150.xml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 McCarthy got the job.http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...10044144150.xml Well ... it's kinda hard to feel good about somebody Not getting a job, but I have to admit that I'm glad that he's still going to be with us.Maybe like you said, he'll get his shot here if / when Brat leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Zampese for OC in 2006!!!I love how we talk about how great the offense will be with most of us wanting the OC to leave. It's nice to have that much faith in the talent.BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 At this point ( I can't believe I'm saying this ) , I think Brat would be the bigger loss of the two. Palmer struggled in college due to a change of offensive schemes ... ie coordinators .... not qb coaches. Reading the kids background, he's been coached/ taught how to be an NFL quarterback since he was about 5. Considering that, I think most anyone the Bengals plugged into the spot would be OK with Carson. Changing offenses on the other hand .... just after the light was coming on for him with this one would ( imo ) be a real set back. Not insurmountable, but a set back that would result in going through the " growing pains " process again. Hopefully, neither happens. Although a good point, I think we could be very successful with the offense we have in place right now too. We should not just not change it because of a fear of what it might do to Carson. It is working. I think the main gripe a good portion of us have had is the situational play calling, rather than the offensive structure itself. A new OC could come in and maintain pretty much the same scheme, but change the calls, and we could all be happier. However, I am always weary of the grass is greener philosophy, so I am happy right now with what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Yeah, think about it. We had a running back break the team mark for yardage and carries and the two WRs break a combined yardage mark. It's hard to get rid of a guy that orchestrated that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The offense wouldn't change that much if brat left anyway. Tha's why Marvin hired Chuckie B for defense cause he was already with the team, knew the D and the terminology so we ddn't have to change much. If, for any reason Brat left and Zampese got promoted, I would expect the sme thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 #1, I'm going to remind both of you guys about these posts next season when you're screaming " where the hell is the running game ?"Secondly, getting fired isn't the only way to lose personnel. The quicker and better our turnaround is, the more our coordinators and position coaches will be looked at for jobs at the next level. * see Patriots this year.Third and finally, improvement alone isn't enough to ensure continued employment ...... ask Mr. Frazier. I think that Brat is probably pretty safe, but you have to admit that along with the receiving yards etc., there were an equal number of times when Palmer got picked and returned for a TD .... when he shouldn't have been throwing the dam ball in the first place. Reverse is true as well, when it's 3rd and long and the try to run it up the middle .... you know .... that'd be where Rudi runs into that mass of bodies where the hole should have been .... and then stands there till he gets tackled ? How about the first 2 plays of the game when you get back to back offensive penalties and start the game with a 1st and 20 from your own 10 yard line ????? Like I said, Brat is most likely safe next year. If the offense isn't hitting on all cylinders from game 1 tho ....... I don't like his chances at still being there the following year. But that's just me ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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