Chucktkd Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 I saw the topic on Bengals Insider...What is the word? If he has a tear that could end his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 No word from the gynecologist yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 his career wont be over, but it could be a big set back for him, and unfortunately, it might force us to resign rudi johnsontimes like this really make me miss having a great RB like Corey Dillon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycamoreBengal48 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 you say signing rudi liek its a bad thing...rudi is just as good if not better than dillon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 you say signing rudi liek its a bad thing...rudi is just as good if not better than dillon Rudi Johnson isnt half the RB that Corey Dillon is/was.I dont want Rudi resigned to be honest. I think hes really 1 dimensional, and wants way more then he is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 you say signing rudi liek its a bad thing...rudi is just as good if not better than dillonRudi Johnson isnt half the RB that Corey Dillon is/was.I dont want Rudi resigned to be honest. I think hes really 1 dimensional, and wants way more then he is worth. Rudi isn't one dimensional, the offense just doesn't use the running backs and the tight ends enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 i think we'd use him alot more if he was more versatile. but lets face it...he either has a problem with route running or with catching the ball. hes a flat out RB and not a 3 point threat which we need. oh and his career aint done. a tear usually takes about a year to heal. he should be fine by next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Rudi Johnson isnt half the RB that Corey Dillon is/was.I dont want Rudi resigned to be honest. I think hes really 1 dimensional, and wants way more then he is worth.Am I missing something?If Rudi is not half the back that the crying baby was, why is he set to break the punk's all-time best mark, possibly this week?Rudi has been great and I believe that he can be even better.HHRRUMPH!!Merry Christmas all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 If Rudi is not half the back that the crying baby was, why is he set to break the punk's all-time best mark, possibly this week? Dillon never had Carson Palmer, or caliber even close, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delhole Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 If Rudi is not half the back that the crying baby was, why is he set to break the punk's all-time best mark, possibly this week?Dillon never had Carson Palmer, or caliber even close, either. What does Carson have to do with the running game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 um, alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 If Rudi is not half the back that the crying baby was, why is he set to break the punk's all-time best mark, possibly this week?Dillon never had Carson Palmer, or caliber even close, either. What does Carson have to do with the running game? Simple. Have an effective downfield passing game, and you spread the defense out giving you more room to run, make cut backs, and really breeds play-action (i.e. Boomer) etc. It really does make a world of a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 not to mention rudi is getting way more carries then dillon ever got, there is no good healthy backup so rudi just gets a ton of carries in every game, and he is very 1 dimensional, he cant receive, and hes slow, all he is is a power runner who sucks at converting short yardage, hes not a feature back imo and is very over rated, thats why they drafted perry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 not to mention rudi is getting way more carries then dillon ever got, there is no good healthy backup so rudi just gets a ton of carries in every game, and he is very 1 dimensional, he cant receive, and hes slow, all he is is a power runner who sucks at converting short yardage, hes not a feature back imo and is very over rated, thats why they drafted perry But why didn't Dillon get more carries? BECAUSE HE TOOK HIMSELF OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE THE STAMINA RUDI DOES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 and is very over rated Yep, about 1300 reasons he is overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I don't think Rudi is overrated, but I also don't think he's a top 5 back. But look at it this way. If cris Perry can ever become healthy thatn we've got James Brooks/Ickey woods all over again. A good hard power runner that can run between the tackles and a quick finesse back that can run and catch out of the backfield. That's just more offensive fire power for us. If Rudi's proce is right you have to keep himHere's Why1. Durability- this is always hard to find with any position in the NFL and Rudi seems to fit that mold2. AGe- He's only 25 and this is his first full season, this shouldn't be the best we'll ever see of RUdi3. Cris Perry - Who really know what the hell we got with him4. Doesn't fumble- I knoiw he's got some crap in here the last couple weeks for this, buit the stats don't lie he protects the footballHere's why not1. He's gonna ask too much - I will be royally pissed if we break the bank to keep him. If he loves Cincy and the fans and Marvin and wants to hear Rudi, Rudi, Rudi, for the rest of his carreer than he'll take what the bengals give him2. Cris Perry- I know he's a reason why you keep him, but if we thought we were keeping him then Cris Perry wouldn't be a bengal3. Defense- if you give Rudi all that money, how the hell are you going to stop other RB's from running all over you, how are you going to pressure the QB. Everyone know the real secret to winning football "YOU HAVE TO SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER TEAM" How can you win if your defense can't stop anyone. (of course, it hasn't stopped peyton Manning, and I've already thought about us maybe playing that style until Marvin cna get the D he wants, With Carson, chad, TJ and Pdub, why not just try to score 50 every game!That's my two sense for now, I'm sure there's more but you can only type so much when your really supposed to be working Who DEY :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 not to mention rudi is getting way more carries then dillon ever got, there is no good healthy backup so rudi just gets a ton of carries in every game, and he is very 1 dimensional, he cant receive, and hes slow, all he is is a power runner who sucks at converting short yardage, hes not a feature back imo and is very over rated, thats why they drafted perry The workhorse nature of Rudi Johnson is his biggest asset. He's durable enough and just functional enough that you can give him the ball over and over again, and he won't wear down. He'll get what's there, and if a long run is there, he'll get that. But Rudi is a one-dimensional runner, let alone a one-dimensional back. He doesn't cut all that explosively, he's not going to make something out of nothing, he doesn't consistently move the pile, which is why he sucks in short yardage. With a quarterback like Palmer, it may be a liability to have to hand the ball off to a back as much as you do Rudi to get the yardage out of him. You can't take advantage of him as a weapon in the passing game as readily, and all those one yard gains and two yard losses before you break a ten or twenty yarder are lost opportunities to move the offense another way. It would be different if you could count on him to move the chains to keep the drive alive.Rudi's a good back at a certain price, but the Bengals could spend their money better than to sign him at his current asking price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 First of all, you dont know what his current asking price is...only the Bengals side of the story of what his agent is looking for. Second, 4 or 5 mil is not too much for a young, durable 1500 yd back. Any free agent will be that much or more, and any draft pick is unproven. I bet they franchise him and limit the upfront money. That way they can get another year out of him, and hopefully get a long look at Perry and Quincy. Then decide at the end of next yr what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Chris Perry is done for the season with a sports hernia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 First of all, you dont know what his current asking price is...only the Bengals side of the story of what his agent is looking for. Second, 4 or 5 mil is not too much for a young, durable 1500 yd back. Any free agent will be that much or more, and any draft pick is unproven. I bet they franchise him and limit the upfront money. That way they can get another year out of him, and hopefully get a long look at Perry and Quincy. Then decide at the end of next yr what to do. There are reports stretching back into last offseason (coming out of Chick Ludwig in Dayton) through to recent ones from Cincy-based sports radio that the Bengals have at least talked about, if not formally proposed, a deal in the $5 million/year neighborhood. These have apparently been politely declined by Rudi's camp.I believe these reports because they make sense. Something in the $4.5 to $5 million range is a very fair deal for Rudi, but at the same time Rudi has no incentive to sign with Cincy right now. Thus the "glacial" situation in negotiations. Rudi, I believe, wants to test free agency -- or at the very least wants to see what happens in Seattle and Indy. IMHO If Edge and Alexander go on the market, Rudi's chances of drawing a big-bucks deal are greatly reduced.Bottom line: Rudi knows what the Bengals are willing to pay for him, and he doesn't appear particularly unhappy with that figure -- but he also isn't going to pass up a chance at a big payday. Now here's the rub if you are the Bengals: holding space open for Rudi (or tagging him) is going to limit your maneuverability in free agency, and IMHO waffling and indecisiveness were a major problem with the Bengals approach to FA last offseason. Do they do that again -- or do they shake Rudi's hand, say good luck, and turn their resources to other needs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Chris Perry is done for the season with a sports hernia. It took them 3 & 1/2 months to diagnose a friggin' hernia????OK, between this and all the injuries, I am officially firing the whole medical staff. Ijits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 whats the difference between a sports hernia and a regular hernia? at least we can stop with the "will perry play" topics now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Chris Perry is done for the season with a sports hernia.It took them 3 & 1/2 months to diagnose a friggin' hernia????OK, between this and all the injuries, I am officially firing the whole medical staff. Ijits. I doubt that the injuries are entirely a coincidence. Injuries happen, but I've seen it before - some practice changes and the injury situation improves dramatically. I'm not sure what it might be with this team, but a medical staff that can't diagnose a hernia might be suspect. I also have a problem with Peter Warrick's situation. You've got to protect your investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 whats the difference between a sports hernia and a regular hernia? at least we can stop with the "will perry play" topics now Here's some informationhttp://gobengals.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1870 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Bottom line: Rudi knows what the Bengals are willing to pay for him, and he doesn't appear particularly unhappy with that figure -- but he also isn't going to pass up a chance at a big payday. Now here's the rub if you are the Bengals: holding space open for Rudi (or tagging him) is going to limit your maneuverability in free agency, and IMHO waffling and indecisiveness were a major problem with the Bengals approach to FA last offseason. Do they do that again -- or do they shake Rudi's hand, say good luck, and turn their resources to other needs? They handle it with class and prudence. Let Rudi fetch whatever he can on the open market and thank him for his dedication to perform to the utmost of his substantial ability. If the Bengals remain in contention with the offer standing (whatever it was or will be) then fine. This makes a statement to others who will follow that the money managers mean what they say when offers are made and players who join the Bengals can pursue what they feel they deserve.Personally, I have no problem with Kenny Watson being the feature back for all downs if it comes to that. Any RB who dons the stripes will beneift from Air Carson because it unclogs the lanes. The O-line is excellent IMO, even though it was downgraded in the offseason somewhat w/ the loss of Goff -- who could have shored up the center position as well.On a side note, the RB draft crop is probably the ripest of all positions this year. In watching the Bowling Green-Memphis bowl game, it appears that Deangelo Williams is likely to enter the draft, particularly after leaving the game with a ankle injury.IMO the draft RBs I have seen with the best chance for a NFL career are in order:1. Ronnie Brown2. Deangelo Williams3. TA McClendon (a Jr. who has declared)4. Cadillac Williams5. Cedric Benson6. J.J. Arrington7. Kay-Jay Harris8. Lionel Gates9. Ciatrick Fason10. Ryan Grant11. Cedric Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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