Great Defense Bengals..

[BillzFan]

I still think you folks have the makings of a great team next year.

I am sorry to hear so many on this board complaining about the Bills fans. I think a great deal of it is sour grapes. For those few I would ask them to take the loss with some class.

Your defense played down to the wire, but the Bills seemed a bit hungrier on this day, our defense and special teams have been doing a tremendous job with turnovers.

We will see how things go next year if our teams meet up again.

[kybengalsfan]

Bill fan, you are absolutely correct: your guys were hungrier than ours. I believe this was the worst excuse for a football effort by our guys in a long time. That takes nothing away from your defense, they made it happen.

[TubThumper]

It's time to clean house. You beat a team like the Bills, you still MIGHT be a decent team. You lose to them in your house by committing a whole lot of bone-headed mistakes and having too many guys not step up - you're garbage, and you need to take out the trash. This loss above all is just not acceptable.

[Tiger Stripes]

didnt marvin just clean house last year?

[San Antonio Bengal]

I am sorry to hear so many on this board complaining about the Bills fans. I think a great deal of it is sour grapes. For those few I would ask them to take the loss with some class.

Um, but shouldn't you be telling Bills fans to take the win with some class?

[vettespd20]

It's time to clean house. You beat a team like the Bills, you still MIGHT be a decent team. You lose to them in your house by committing a whole lot of bone-headed mistakes and having too many guys not step up - you're garbage, and you need to take out the trash. This loss above all is just not acceptable.

This was not our best game, We did not have our biggest weapon on offense. I am not just saying this to make an excuse but we did not have Carson Palmer. He is the leader of this team. With out him being in charge of our offense it makes it a lot harder to win. Kitna was lost out there, this is Carson's team thats it. Carson is great and Marvin and company has this team playing hard we just had some problems that we could not over come, it happens.

[HoosierCat]

It's time to clean house. You beat a team like the Bills, you still MIGHT be a decent team. You lose to them in your house by committing a whole lot of bone-headed mistakes and having too many guys not step up - you're garbage, and you need to take out the trash. This loss above all is just not acceptable.

I'm not sure who you "clean out." The defense played well enough to win -- easily -- and I'm not about to crucify Brad St. Louis for one ST flub after years of being solid. And on offense, all the problems were in places we already knew about: backup QB (Kit either rocks or sucks, there's no in-between); we need a new center (and they've tried, remember DiNapoli?); and Bobbie Williams may be able to run block but he can't be counted on in pass protection. The one upcoming offseason question mark that got emphasized yesterday was Rudi. Yeah, he got 130 yards but he also coughed up the ball -- second week in a row Mr. Rarely Fumbles has killed us. I'm sure a healthy Chris Perry can go out and fumble the ball (heck, we've seen him do it!) and cost us a lot less money. Maybe enough to afford some o-line improvements.

[TubThumper]

Yes, Carson is great, so he should stay. There are others that should stay. But there are too many guys making stupid mistakes in key games or just not showing up. I heard Sam Wyche comment that the Bills played badly, and they did. They were very beatable yesterday. The Bengals should have been able to beat them without Palmer if they were playing anywhere appropriately for the situation.

They had no physical problem moving the ball and the defense was playing credibly. Yet you have dumb penalties, turnovers, people running routes at the wrong depth, and guys not stepping up and making plays. Kitna was the worst culprit of course, but he wasn't the only culprit.

You've got a lot of young guys on this team that already represent an upgrade in speed and intensity. You've got a guy like Marcus Wilkins who's as obscure as it gets, who comes in off the waiver wire and immediately starts showing up bigger in his special teams role than guys who've been here for a while.

Marvin has done some house cleaning, but there are still too many low-intensity guys around.

If this was some other point in the season, or the season had gone differently up to now - or if the opponent was even different, it might be a different story. It might be appropriate to shrug and say, "bad day at the office - it happens." But where this team is now, it's time to put an edge on things - as Marvin Lewis put it - if you wan't to move to the next level. And I think that a big part of putting an edge on things is looking at this game and the rest of them and saying, who's showing up and who isn't -who's doing the preparation to be able to execute under pressure - who are the real money players.

This team is physically good enough to beat anybody even with its weaknesses. But there are too many veteran players in particular who don't seem to get it when it comes to the standard of intensity required to compete effectively among their peers in the league. Green guys and cast offs are providing more leadership on this team than a lot of those guys, and it's time to shine the search light, find the garbage and get it out. If you're satisfied with losing big games, you're going to continue to be a loser.

[ackley1]

Well, I'm tired of talking about next year. Congats Bills fans. I'm till waiting on my Dad to call me and rub it in(he's a Bills fan).

[bengalboomer7]

There were a lot of people complaining about the classless bills fans even before the game I'll give you the same post I gave to one respectful bills fan(alternity, I think

Good game and good luck the rest of the year

All the rest of you bills fan can suck my @#$$%

I hope Buffalo turns out like Hiroshima

[BillzFan]

I am sorry to hear so many on this board complaining about the Bills fans. I think a great deal of it is sour grapes. For those few I would ask them to take the loss with some class.

Um, but shouldn't you be telling Bills fans to take the win with some class?

Haven't been back here since the "day after", so I didn't catch all these replies.

You are absolutely correct. There are some that cannot take a win with any class, but I have found that to be a trend in the younger generation of self-centered athletes and fans for pretty much every team. Maybe it has always been that way, but I do feel that it is more common now.

Look at America's "Dream Team" in basketball. All those egos put together, and you get all Dream and no Team.

Take solice in the fact that those same graceless fans are "usually" the ones that hide after a loss.

Still, you have to admit that this game would be much less interesting if there wasn't any good natured heckling before two teams play.

Rematch 05?

[redsfan2]

Still, you have to admit that this game would be much less interesting if there wasn't any good natured heckling before two teams play.

Yeah, but 4 weeks is a bit much. It's past unseemly .... it's now past boring ... and has now entered irrelevant.

Be glad I'm not a mod. I'd delete every post by a Bills fan for the rest of the year without reading them.

Our mods were downright magnanimous in letting the bills fans have their fun before ... during .... and in the week after the game. This is the point where OFFICIALLY, enough is enough.