Now The Big Test! Redskins

[walzav29]

We all know the Bengal's can win at home, but can they go on the road and do it? This weeks game against the Redskins is huge. This team is built on emotion, and if they can win in Washington that will give them confidence to get revenge on the Steelers and Browns at home. Can they win on the road? The good news? I think it's better to play a team after a win it gives them a better chance. None of that "backs against the wall" stuff. If they win in Wash. Then the 2 homer games. Biggity Bam 6-5. All hinges on Sunday. As for Rothburger, I hope he's undefeated when he goes into the jungle so we can beat his ass into reality.

[jamesbrooks21]

If the rookies keep playing the way they did against the Cowboys, we have a good shot of winning this weekend. Geathers, Ratliff, Williams, & L. Johnson all played very well. You know though we are going to get a huge dose of Portis on Sunday. If they can get an early lead and make Brunell beat them the way they did Testaverde-by limiting the running game we'll be alright.

[skyline]

It's going to be a tough test for our offense more than anything. Washington has a good defense, and also solid special teams. It will be up to the offense to put some points on the board.

Keeping good field position will also be a struggle against Washington...

[jditty47]

brunell is absolutely terrible, if we can contain portis, which i think we will (110), we will win.

[jamesbrooks21]

brunell is absolutely terrible, if we can contain portis, which i think we will (110), we will win.

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

[bengalsfan33]

We have a very good chance to win this game. Brunell is struggling badly and Portis is playing different everytime he goes out there. It just matters which Portis shows up. We must stop him!!!

[schweinhart]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none. Favre was also shut down in the second half of that game and we intercepted him 3 times.

If we don't happen to give up a TD on special teams or on offense, then the game will be a low scoring one favoring the Skins. With your run D being as bad as it is, Portis will the the the call early and often. Only way to stop that is by making us play catch up like the Packers did.

[Barbarian]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none. Favre was also shut down in the second half of that game and we intercepted him 3 times.

If we don't happen to give up a TD on special teams or on offense, then the game will be a low scoring one favoring the Skins. With your run D being as bad as it is, Portis will the the the call early and often. Only way to stop that is by making us play catch up like the Packers did.

Well, you know he's right about this one too. Joe Gibbs--the only thing he likes to do offensively is POUND!!! POUND!!! POUND!!!!

Expect to see a s**tload of #26 for the bad guys. Don't expect to see Palmer throwing all over them either. I believe this guy is right.

Sidenote: I believe that the game has passed Joe Gibbs right the hell by. I'm not sure he gets the substance of the game today--with salary cap and the differences in players, schemes, etc.

I think Joe Gibbs should have stuck to something he knows--like NeckCar. Coming back was a mistake. It could ruin his good name. How many rings does Joe Gibbs need anyway????

[ArmchairRedskin]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none. Favre was also shut down in the second half of that game and we intercepted him 3 times.

If we don't happen to give up a TD on special teams or on offense, then the game will be a low scoring one favoring the Skins. With your run D being as bad as it is, Portis will the the the call early and often. Only way to stop that is by making us play catch up like the Packers did.

Well, you know he's right about this one too. Joe Gibbs--the only thing he likes to do offensively is POUND!!! POUND!!! POUND!!!!

Expect to see a s**tload of #26 for the bad guys. Don't expect to see Palmer throwing all over them either. I believe this guy is right.

Sidenote: I believe that the game has passed Joe Gibbs right the hell by. I'm not sure he gets the substance of the game today--with salary cap and the differences in players, schemes, etc.

I think Joe Gibbs should have stuck to something he knows--like NeckCar. Coming back was a mistake. It could ruin his good name. How many rings does Joe Gibbs need anyway????

I disagree that the game has passed him by. He is being stubborn by keeping Brunell in there, and there is a huge portion of the fanbase that would rather see Ramsey in there. He feels that it's important to have a mobile QB that knows when to throw the ball away if neccessary and not force things. Gibbs is still adjusting to the game. It can't be an easy thing to come back after such a long absence and try to find success right away.

In recent past years the QB switch was made without much ado from week to week. Gibbs wants there to be consistency in the offense. He wants our QB to have more time in the pocket. There are things being fixed on a weekly basis. We've adjusted to zone blocking for Portis for instance.

It's just gonna take a little time. Our D has been playing spectacularly well considering it's a new scheme and all the injuries we've sustained to our starters. Gregg Williams is THE MAN. As long as our D can perform on this level, we will be in every game. Whe haven't been beaten badly at any point this season. The offense just needs to catch up.

[Barbarian]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none. Favre was also shut down in the second half of that game and we intercepted him 3 times.

If we don't happen to give up a TD on special teams or on offense, then the game will be a low scoring one favoring the Skins. With your run D being as bad as it is, Portis will the the the call early and often. Only way to stop that is by making us play catch up like the Packers did.

Well, you know he's right about this one too. Joe Gibbs--the only thing he likes to do offensively is POUND!!! POUND!!! POUND!!!!

Expect to see a s**tload of #26 for the bad guys. Don't expect to see Palmer throwing all over them either. I believe this guy is right.

Sidenote: I believe that the game has passed Joe Gibbs right the hell by. I'm not sure he gets the substance of the game today--with salary cap and the differences in players, schemes, etc.

I think Joe Gibbs should have stuck to something he knows--like NeckCar. Coming back was a mistake. It could ruin his good name. How many rings does Joe Gibbs need anyway????

I disagree that the game has passed him by. He is being stubborn by keeping Brunell in there, and there is a huge portion of the fanbase that would rather see Ramsey in there. He feels that it's important to have a mobile QB that knows when to throw the ball away if neccessary and not force things. Gibbs is still adjusting to the game. It can't be an easy thing to come back after such a long absence and try to find success right away.

In recent past years the QB switch was made without much ado from week to week. Gibbs wants there to be consistency in the offense. He wants our QB to have more time in the pocket. There are things being fixed on a weekly basis. We've adjusted to zone blocking for Portis for instance.

It's just gonna take a little time. Our D has been playing spectacularly well considering it's a new scheme and all the injuries we've sustained to our starters. Gregg Williams is THE MAN. As long as our D can perform on this level, we will be in every game. Whe haven't been beaten badly at any point this season. The offense just needs to catch up.

I can't help the questioning of keeping Brunell in there too--when clearly Ramsey SHOULD be your future.

As for Zone Blocking--welcome to the 21st Century, Joe Gibbs.

However, I agree with you--if you're out of the game for more than a decade, it has to be tough to come back.

[skyline]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none. Favre was also shut down in the second half of that game and we intercepted him 3 times.

If we don't happen to give up a TD on special teams or on offense, then the game will be a low scoring one favoring the Skins. With your run D being as bad as it is, Portis will the the the call early and often. Only way to stop that is by making us play catch up like the Packers did.

Pretty good view, I think...

The Bengals have a chance, but it won't be a pushover game by any means...a low-scoring game, for sure.

[turningpoint]

Portis i think is a runningback that is bound to do bad vs our D, we're built to stop the quick shifty back, droughns didn't really do much vs us, either did suggs( besides last year. ).

It's the punishing backs that we have trouble vs.

With out speedy D i think Portis is in for a long day, but that's just my opinion.

[skyline]

Portis i think is a runningback that is bound to do bad vs our D, we're built to stop the quick shifty back, droughns didn't really do much vs us, either did suggs( besides last year. ).

It's the punishing backs that we have trouble vs.

With out speedy D i think Portis is in for a long day, but that's just my opinion.

Chris Brown was hardly a "punishing back".

[ArmchairRedskin]

I'll give you guys this, Marvin Lewis is no slouch when it comes to defense. He very well could find a way to shut down Portis. He may decide to put 8 or 9 guys in the box. Everybody knows we can't pass. Gibbs may have ways to counter that.

Gibbs might try three step drops instead of 7. A lot of the time that Brunell faces pressure, it's because he drops back so far and allows the DE to beat his man wide on the outside.

Suggs and Droughs are good, but I'd still put Portis ahead of those guys. Plus you gotta watch out for the HB pass now

The thing I'm most interested in is how effective Chad Johnson will be against Smoot and Springs.

How mobile is Palmer and how well does he respond to blitzes? Harrington is pretty mobile so we didn't blitz a whole lot. Our DT Griffin got two sacks on him and was constantly in his face, though.

[schweinhart]

Another key is how Carson plays, even more this week than previously. Washington has only allowed one 100 yd rusher all year, (Jamal Lewis 28-116)and has contained some other pretty good runners (Tiki Barber 18-42, Ahman Green 24-70) so with teams already stacking against Rudi it will be even more difficult against this Redskin run D. Carson will have to be efficient throwing the ball on early downs.

This is the week for Brat's best Mike Martz imitation.

The vertical game will open up the run some but Rudi won't likely get more than 75 yds. The Skins weakness on D is it's secondary.

2 weeks ago, the Pack lit up Skins w/ 3 pass plays for more than 40 yds. leading to 17 pts. Teams have scored 20 or more only 3 times this year vs. Skins and their run D is shut down.

On the other side of ball, Skins best scoring output has been 18. You can bet that they're licking their chops at the chance to go against this Bengals D. Portis should get close to 200 yds. but that still don't mean a Bengal L.

This game is the example of the Indy style that looks to be coming over the horizon for Bengals for the next several years. I say bombs away this week.

You have to take into consideration that Sean Taylor wasn't playing in that game that Favre threw those passes in. It was his replacement Ryan Clark that got burned on those long plays. Both our corners are playing at a pro bowl level this year. Springs was burnt once for a TD this year, Smoot none.

That's true w/ Taylor, who is hands down already a great one and only gonna get better.

Smoot is a gamer and it sounds like Springs has experienced a career resurgence since heading back home after it looked like what was left of his NFL future was a nickel.

But there was a great deal of fanfare on this board from Denver fans about how Champ was gonna shut down Chad and just to reiterate from then:

1. No 1 player will keep Chad from being open.

2. No 2 players will keep Chad from being open.

3. No 3 players will keep Chad from being open.

Taylor, Springs or Smoot, and a 3rd DB will not keep Chad from being open. Whether he gets the ball or not is a different question.

[schweinhart]

How mobile is Palmer and how well does he respond to blitzes? Harrington is pretty mobile so we didn't blitz a whole lot. Our DT Griffin got two sacks on him and was constantly in his face, though.

The answer to this question could be a key to the game.

Palmer is mobile enough to get flushed out or roll out by design and throw well. He's also strong armed enough to get the ball just about anywhere on the field when he's on the run out of the pocket.

But he has apparently been drilled not to run the ball. IIROC, he has yet to run up the middle of the field this season when the pocket starts to collapse. Up until last week's naked bootleg for a TD, he hadn't run more than 3 or 4 times out of bounds when flushed out of the pocket on busted pass plays.

How well Palmer does out of the pocket could factor into this game because most of his mistakes have come from staying in pocket too long. He handles the blitz well as far as taking hits and holding onto ball (for most part) but is still struggling w/ receivers on blitz reads.

But I don't see the Skins putting forth much pass rush beside Griffin, who will no doubt get double teamed a lot. Even less pass rush w/o Daniels. Palmer should be able to pick apart Skins DBs w/o much pressure.

[BengalszoneBilly]

We all know the Bengal's can win at home, but can they go on the road and do it?

That's the question of the entire season! (Well at least ONE of them anyway!)

[ArmchairRedskin]

How well Palmer does out of the pocket could factor into this game because most of his mistakes have come from staying in pocket too long. He handles the blitz well as far as taking hits and holding onto ball (for most part) but is still struggling w/ receivers on blitz reads.

Well that right there tells me that we'll blitz a lot. We tend to blitz QB's who stay in the pocket and can't consistantly find hot read recievers. Expect pressure from all sides. CB, Safety, and probably a LB or two.

I'm not sure that any team is really capable of picking apart our DB's. Especially not with Sean Taylor in there. He wasn't there for the Packers game, and even then Favre was intercepted 3 times and in the second half his passing game was just about completely shut down. Gregg Williams will adjust to what works.

It's gonna come down to how well your passing game goes vs. how well our running game goes. Our passing game shouldn't really be a big factor and neither should your running game. At least that's what I think. But who knows, that why we play the games, right?

[BengalszoneBilly]

Your biggest advantage armchair is the Bengals have to play the 'Skins in Washington! Road games are like kryptonite to the Bengals!

[schweinhart]

How well Palmer does out of the pocket could factor into this game because most of his mistakes have come from staying in pocket too long. He handles the blitz well as far as taking hits and holding onto ball (for most part) but is still struggling w/ receivers on blitz reads.

Well that right there tells me that we'll blitz a lot. We tend to blitz QB's who stay in the pocket and can't consistantly find hot read recievers. Expect pressure from all sides. CB, Safety, and probably a LB or two.

It'll be interesting to see if Skins DBs can successfully blitz. There has been only 1 sack on Palmer this year by a DB. The rest have come from LBs (5 mostly MLBs) and D-line (13).

Bengals have actually fared fairly well vs. blitz as far as sacks but have melted down under D-line pressure, especially vs. Browns and Titans.

I should clarify about saying most of Palmer's mistakes come from being in pocket too long. I was mainly referring to moving the chains rather than picks, although 2 huge too-long-in-pocket gaffs by Palmer cost Bengals shot at W vs. Titans courtesy of one Mr. Albert Haynesworth -- 1 an INT where his arm was hit and 2 the fumble at the Titans 9 at end of game.

Still, IMO Bengals handle whatever blitz Skins come up with.

[jjakq27]

My concern is their defense is ranked in the top 5. But perhaps Marvin will have an idea or two on how to beat it since he was the DC there two years ago, Kinda like how they seemed to know how to attack Champ Bailey in the Denver game. A little insider info never hurt.

[RedskinsNation]

I was thinking about the ML factor too considering he was here coaching us on D recently. However, a lot of the personnel is gone now and our scheme is a lot different as well.

None of the current D-linemen played under Lewis nor did any of the current LB's or safeties.

The only starters on Sunday who played under Lewis were Smoot and......well LaVar aint playin so I guess that makes only Smoot.

Im anxious to see how we play at home considering we havent done well here this year.

Fortunately you guys are 0-4 (on the road) so it kind of balances things out too.

I really dont know what to expect. I WOULD think dumpy Brunell would redeem himself after his 58yds passing vs. Detroit but w/him you never know.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I'm hoping Brunell makes his mistakes close enough for Golden Graham to kick field goals after Tory and company get some picks!

[Bobcat Bengal]

I WOULD think dumpy Brunell would redeem himself after his 58yds passing vs. Detroit but w/him you never know.

damn, 58 TOTAL yards?

You guys SHOULD bring in Ramsey. Anything would be better than that.