vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok I think this is were a lot of members get mad and flame me, But I just dont see Rudi Johnson as being the future of the bengals! I see people like Palmer, C. Johnson, and maybe Perry, But not RUDI. I am not just dogging Rudi I hope he does have a great season. I know he did a good job against one of the best defense teams there is on Sunday, but I am not seeing him to be that great. Ok I hate Dillon now, but people face it, Rudi maybe a good back but a Dillon he will NEVER BE. I love the bengals and I HOPE Rudi proves me wrong and runs for 100 yards a game here on out I really do but I think we need to focus on our 1st round rookie. Just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I think Perry will be the team's starting RB for quite a few years. Nothing against Rudi at all...but how often do you see a 1st round RB not end up getting the starting job, barring injury problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I agree with you, But i think now is the time. As hard as a pill to swallow as it may seem this is a rebuilding year. I THINK keep Palmer in and put Perry in even if we are losing badly. Dont let the guys get killed, and replace them when the time is right but this is the year these guys need to get in and get the ROOKIE out of there systems so later in the year and next year we can show the nation what we are all about. I dunno I just think that this is a rookie team right now and put these guys in together and let them play as a team and fix any problems needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippCityRick Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Rudi is not the future. Don't know if Perry is but Rudi doesn't scare anyone as a receiving threat out of the backfield. Even a big back like Jamal Lewis can be dangerous out in the flat (even without the missed tackles he would have had a first down on his long catch and run Sunday). Today's best backs can run off tackle and make receiving plays. Rudi hasn't shown that part of his game cuz it ain't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ya i agree with you also, I am not sure if Perry is the future either but I think he has a much better shot of being a star in his future. He is younger and its possible for him to grow as a player with the team. I think swith Rudi and Perry out more and let him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ya i agree with you also, I am not sure if Perry is the future either but I think he has a much better shot of being a star in his future. He is younger and its possible for him to grow as a player with the team. I think swith Rudi and Perry out more and let him play. Great post!! Rudi isn't the future yest he starts, Kitna isn't the future, yet he is benched!!!! What do they both have in common? They both had good years last year. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ya i agree with you also, I am not sure if Perry is the future either but I think he has a much better shot of being a star in his future. He is younger and its possible for him to grow as a player with the team. I think swith Rudi and Perry out more and let him play.Great post!! Rudi isn't the future yest he starts, Kitna isn't the future, yet he is benched!!!! What do they both have in common? They both had good years last year. Go figure. I personaly think that Kitna should be on the bench 95-99% of the time and lets keep Palmer in as much as possible to get the ROOKIE out of his system. Even though this is his second year he is still a Rookie starting QB. Now so far this is what LEWIS has done and I AGREE leave Carson in. Ok now with RUDI I think he should get in about 50-65% of the time. PUT PERRY IN MORE!! Let him get in there and get some plays and let him learn WITH carson from there mistakes so when they are both ready we have one hell of a offensive punch. PALMER, PERRY, PW, CJ, and TJ. That is enough to do a lot of damage when the team matures together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok I think this is were a lot of members get mad and flame me, But I just dont see Rudi Johnson as being the future of the bengals! I see people like Palmer, C. Johnson, and maybe Perry, But not RUDI. I am not just dogging Rudi I hope he does have a great season. I know he did a good job against one of the best defense teams there is on Sunday, but I am not seeing him to be that great. Ok I hate Dillon now, but people face it, Rudi maybe a good back but a Dillon he will NEVER BE. I love the bengals and I HOPE Rudi proves me wrong and runs for 100 yards a game here on out I really do but I think we need to focus on our 1st round rookie. Just my .02 I dissed Rudi in Pre-Season but I think I'm going to defend him here.How can you say this??? Especially when Rudi had almost 100 yards on 23 carries on one of the best rush defenses in the NFL??? Rudi was averaging over 5.0 yards per carry in the 1st half alone.If you're going to blame somebody for lack of Rudi's success, then blame Drunkowski for not getting Rudi the ball more on Sunday. If Rudi gets the ball 10-15 more times, then your ass would be on here today praising Rudi saying s**t like "he's a god, going for 130 against that defense" or "He ran Da Killa right the f**k over on Sunday" or "Imagine Rudi and Jamal in the same backfield?" or "I'm the biggest fair-weathered fan on this webboard".How about we give Rudi more of a chance, huh??? At least more than 3 games this year before deciding that "He's not the Bungles' Future", m'kay?????Geez, some of you guys give up way too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBENGALFAN Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 RUDI RUDI RUDI.. enough said.. ROO DEY !!!! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 If you remember, Rudi was only signed to a one year contract. Then selecting a running back with the first pick in the draft gives the impression that the Bengals are not sold on Rudi being the long-term back for this team. Rudi had some wonderful games last season, but a few good games doesn't a great player make. A lot of people were sold on Rudi last year with all the Dillon controversy. But for me, the jury is still out and it appears that the jury is still out for the Bengals. No offense to Rudi, but he was a third string guy until injuries got him into the starting role. The stories of third string guys making it up to first string and then onto stardom are wonderful, but few and far between. Anyone remember Jeff Blake? He was third stringer, got into a game, threw some deep passes and the Bengals won. Everyone in Bengaldom was excited to actually win and actually have a QB that could throw more than 10 yards down the field. Jeff did a great job those first several games, but then as other teams adjusted, he went back to being a good player, but not a superstar franchise kind of player. Will Rudi have the same fate? I don't know. Is Rudi a good running back? Yes. Is he a great running back? We'll see. I'd love to see the greatness come out in him, and he will have some great games this season. But will his overall numbers at the end of the year be more like his great games or his mediocre games? If it's more like the latter, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bengals let him go into free agency and give the position over to Perry.Long story short, it's all speculation right now. Let's see what Rudi does in the next several weeks before jumping to conculsions. The team has a new quarterback and have been up against two of the best defenses around. This is his tryout year. Now, let's let him finish his tryout, at least for a couple more weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Geez, some of you guys give up way too easy. OK first off I never said rudi had a bad game, HE HAD A GOOD GAME. NOT GREAT but good. he did do very well when needed. But he is not the future of the club!!! He is good but he is no Corey DILLON. I dislike Dillon a lot but face it Dillon is better than RUDI and he is not the future of this team. Lewis has built the foundation of this team. I think Perry should run more and build a team on the young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok I think this is were a lot of members get mad and flame me......Damn Right.....The Bengals do NOT have a problem at RB.......Rudi is the Starter this year and at the moment it is Watson who is backing him up.Perry will be getting his carries at some point......But what has kept Perry out so far is that ML is not 100% convinced that he is up to speed on his Blocking Assignments.Watson on the other hand has been Excellent on picking up his Blocks......I find it highly Suspect when Rookie Posters suddenly show up after a Loss and start controversial threads.Rudi Johnson as the starting RB may be YOUR Pet Peeve but it is NOT a problem area for this team.I do not appreciate people who's modus operandi is to kick the team while they are down over nonsense that has nothing to do with the real problems that need to be dealt with.The Bengals have some real problems but.....Rudi Johnson as the starting RB is NOT one of them.Carson Palmer as the starting QB Sure as Hell is NOT one of them.By the way are you related to BengalBashingBax or something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Damn Right.....The Bengals do NOT have a problem at RB.......Rudi is the Starter this year and at the moment it is Watson who is backing him up.Perry will be getting his carries at some point......But what has kept Perry out so far is that ML is not 100% convinced that he is up to speed on his Blocking Assignments.Watson on the other hand has been Excellent on picking up his Blocks......I find it highly Suspect when Rookie Posters suddenly show up after a Loss and start controversial threads.Rudi Johnson as the starting RB may be YOUR Pet Peeve but it is NOT a problem area for this team.I do not appreciate people who's modus operandi is to kick the team while they are down over nonsense that has nothing to do with the real problems that need to be dealt with.The Bengals have some real problems but.....Rudi Johnson as the starting RB is NOT one of them.Carson Palmer as the starting QB Sure as Hell is NOT one of them.By the way are you related to BengalBashingBax or something ? Wait a damn minute bro, I love the bengals, and I am not kicking them while they are down. You need to take a damn chill pill!!! First off no one is talking bad about the bengals or Rudi. I HOPE HE DOES HAVE A GREAT SEASON!!! I am just stating that as of now I do not think he is the future of this team. I think Perry has a greater chance of being a star than RUDI. Dont be suck a dick and jump to a flaming match. I sometimes think that people just make post to piss people off or to start flaming people that are trying to just have a mature convo about the team they love so much. Get a life, oh ya if u want to get all mad and curse and make the WHOLE TEAM and its FANS look bad dont post. But if u would like to make a judgmental post that everyone wont agree with that is fine no problem but no sense of making a big deal about an post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Damn Right.....The Bengals do NOT have a problem at RB.......Rudi is the Starter this year and at the moment it is Watson who is backing him up.Perry will be getting his carries at some point......But what has kept Perry out so far is that ML is not 100% convinced that he is up to speed on his Blocking Assignments.Watson on the other hand has been Excellent on picking up his Blocks......I find it highly Suspect when Rookie Posters suddenly show up after a Loss and start controversial threads.Rudi Johnson as the starting RB may be YOUR Pet Peeve but it is NOT a problem area for this team.I do not appreciate people who's modus operandi is to kick the team while they are down over nonsense that has nothing to do with the real problems that need to be dealt with.The Bengals have some real problems but.....Rudi Johnson as the starting RB is NOT one of them.Carson Palmer as the starting QB Sure as Hell is NOT one of them.By the way are you related to BengalBashingBax or something ?Wait a damn minute bro, I love the bengals, and I am not kicking them while they are down. You need to take a damn chill pill!!! First off no one is talking bad about the bengals or Rudi. I HOPE HE DOES HAVE A GREAT SEASON!!! I am just stating that as of now I do not think he is the future of this team. I think Perry has a greater chance of being a star than RUDI. Dont be suck a dick and jump to a flaming match. I sometimes think that people just make post to piss people off or to start flaming people that are trying to just have a mature convo about the team they love so much. Get a life, oh ya if u want to get all mad and curse and make the WHOLE TEAM and its FANS look bad dont post. But if u would like to make a judgmental post that everyone wont agree with that is fine no problem but no sense of making a big deal about an post. I'll say it again....I find it highly Suspect when Rookie Posters suddenly show up after a Loss and start controversial threads.There is no RB controversy on The Bengals....Nor is there any reason to stir one up when the team has some Very Real Problems to deal with.I question the timing of your post.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok so u think that Rudi is the future of the bengals? So do u think that he will be the guy that is needed to help this team to go to the next level? So u think that with some line work and some experience that Rudi is better than Perry will ever be? I dunno I dont think any one does but I want your opinion since I am A ROOKIE and u must know it all. Now I think Rudi is good and has potential but I dont think he has what it takes to take this team to the next level. I am not talking crap or trying to cause trouble. Anything that i have said has not slandered the team or players I AM MAKING a very good statment and I am sure other people feel the same way and i am sure that there are some that disagrees but no need to be a wus about it and start stuff that is stuff that should be in person no on a forum!!Oh ya forgot to add I am a ROOKIE on the site and ya i am only 22 years old but I have been a member longer than u mr ALL PRO, but i dont like to post very often i like to read what people have to say, because of some people like u that make ALL THE FANS look bad I dont like posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Perry hasn't been even eligible to play until this last week. What have you seen that makes you think he's ready to be the "future" of the team? More importantly, what makes you think that there was anything that the Bengals would be doing differently if Perry IS the future of the team. He was held out Sunday because he does not have the blocking assignments down. I'm sure he would have been in -- probably against most other teams -- if he was not a liability to the real "future" of the team, it's #1 overall QB. I know you hate Palmer, but sending a rookie who hasn't taken a RS snap, has been injured, and doesn't have the blocking scheme figured out to block Ravens LB's seems to be a bad idea to me. I mean, this isn't a fantasy team -- every decision affects something else in the game. Perry will see some substantial time and if he performs well enough will clearly increase his role. Do you really think Perry would've gone for 100 against the Ravens?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Perry hasn't been even eligible to play until this last week. What have you seen that makes you think he's ready to be the "future" of the team? More importantly, what makes you think that there was anything that the Bengals would be doing differently if Perry IS the future of the team. He was held out Sunday because he does not have the blocking assignments down. I'm sure he would have been in -- probably against most other teams -- if he was not a liability to the real "future" of the team, it's #1 overall QB. I know you hate Palmer, but sending a rookie who hasn't taken a RS snap, has been injured, and doesn't have the blocking scheme figured out to block Ravens LB's seems to be a bad idea to me. I mean, this isn't a fantasy team -- every decision affects something else in the game. Perry will see some substantial time and if he performs well enough will clearly increase his role. Do you really think Perry would've gone for 100 against the Ravens?? I dont know for sure if Perry is part of the future of this NEW BENGALS team but I do know that RUDI is not. I think that Rudi is a good player and works hard, but we have a guy that NO ONE really knows what he has, that could be the player that can HELP this team get to the next level. The one person on this New bengals team that makes me smile the most is LEWIS, then PALMER, then C.J., then P.W., then Justin Smith. We have lots of players that have lots of GREAT years left and with a good running back (rather or not its Perry or Johnson or anyone else) we could have a long running successful playoff team then when its time get more and more great players and reshaping this Bengals team to a place where anyone would want to play. Rather its Perry or RUDI I just wish the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FonzieDog Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 What is this message board for if not the free exchange of ideas and opinions about our favorite team in common? There is no need to piss on somebody because they have a different idea or opinion than you do. If someone is a "Rookie" poster does that make their opinion any less significant or educated? I'm a "Rookie" to this board although I've been a Bengal fan since I was 9. I don't think I'm any less/more qualified than the next guy to have an opinion about this team. That being said, I agree that we haven't seen enough of Perry to be able to name him as the future of the Bengals backfield. Obviously I think he has some potential. There must be a reason he was our first draft pick this year. There must also be a reason he hasn't been on the field. He's not ready to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok so u think that Rudi is the future of the bengals? So do u think that he will be the guy that is needed to help this team to go to the next level? So u think that with some line work and some experience that Rudi is better than Perry will ever be? I dunno I dont think any one does but I want your opinion since I am A ROOKIE and u must know it all. Now I think Rudi is good and has potential but I dont think he has what it takes to take this team to the next level. I am not talking crap or trying to cause trouble. Anything that i have said has not slandered the team or players I AM MAKING a very good statment and I am sure other people feel the same way and i am sure that there are some that disagrees but no need to be a wus about it and start stuff that is stuff that should be in person no on a forum!!Oh ya forgot to add I am a ROOKIE on the site and ya i am only 22 years old but I have been a member longer than u mr ALL PRO, but i dont like to post very often i like to read what people have to say, because of some people like u that make ALL THE FANS look bad I dont like posting!You make my point for me.....You have been a member for Months and yet you wait until after the team suffers a big lost to start a controversial thread.It really doesn't have much to do with the number of posts that you have and it has nothing at all to do with your age.It seems that this is something that has been on your mind for Months.Yet you wait till the team is down to start a thread on it.....We all know that there are people who love to go to a team's boards when the team is doing bad and try to stir up a controversy among the fans.It is your timing is suspect......Couple that with your lack of prior posts and it does seems a bit trollish.The Bengals have real problems and the last thing that the Fans need right now is a RB controversy. (or a QB controversy for that matter)The team is fine at RB and Rudi IS the starter for this year....As for after this year....It will come down to the same thing that it came down to this off season which is $$$.If they can agree on the money they will sign him long term.If they can't they will most likely Slap some kind of a Tag on him and see what happens with him as a FA.But in the mean time there is NO RB controversy in Cincinnati, nor Should there be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 What is this message board for if not the free exchange of ideas and opinions about our favorite team in common? There is no need to piss on somebody because they have a different idea or opinion than you do. If someone is a "Rookie" poster does that make their opinion any less significant or educated? I'm a "Rookie" to this board although I've been a Bengal fan since I was 9. I don't think I'm any less/more qualified than the next guy to have an opinion about this team. That being said, I agree that we haven't seen enough of Perry to be able to name him as the future of the Bengals backfield. Obviously I think he has some potential. There must be a reason he was our first draft pick this year. There must also be a reason he hasn't been on the field. He's not ready to play. I AGREE WITH U!!! I was just stating that maybe Perry is not the man to HELP lead this team to the next level, but its not going to be Rudi and Perry WHEN READY I think may have what it takes to do it. If not lets do some work in the off season, but the main thing is that Rudi is not the answer. I also showed conserns BEFORE THE SEASON started about Rudi Johnson. I had several people agree with me. I stated that DILLON is not a team player and NEEDS TO LEAVE before he brings the team down with him but as for a player he was great in his time. I also stated that I didnt think that Rudi would be the guy we need to fill his shoes. Thats all that i am saying. I just as much as any member no matter how many post they have made (to some people that means a lot to me it dont) want this team to win. I love the Bengals I jump up and down during the game i curse i go nuts because I want them to win so bad. I just dont think that Rudi is the man I WISH he was but he is not. But its ok Marvin is a great coach and HE WILL GET THIS TEAM to the level they need to be to make it to the play offs. OH YA THIS TEAM WILL WIN!!! I have seen people doubting LEWIS and PALMER. THIS TEAM WILL WIN!!!! I am not saying that HOPING it will happen like i used to during the BUNGAL era but now i know that they will win just be very patient it will come around and the bengals will see there way through this. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ok so u think that Rudi is the future of the bengals? So do u think that he will be the guy that is needed to help this team to go to the next level? So u think that with some line work and some experience that Rudi is better than Perry will ever be? I dunno I dont think any one does but I want your opinion since I am A ROOKIE and u must know it all. Now I think Rudi is good and has potential but I dont think he has what it takes to take this team to the next level. I am not talking crap or trying to cause trouble. Anything that i have said has not slandered the team or players I AM MAKING a very good statment and I am sure other people feel the same way and i am sure that there are some that disagrees but no need to be a wus about it and start stuff that is stuff that should be in person no on a forum!!Oh ya forgot to add I am a ROOKIE on the site and ya i am only 22 years old but I have been a member longer than u mr ALL PRO, but i dont like to post very often i like to read what people have to say, because of some people like u that make ALL THE FANS look bad I dont like posting!You make my point for me.....You have been a member for Months and yet you wait until after the team suffers a big lost to start a controversial thread.It really doesn't have much to do with the number of posts that you have and it has nothing at all to do with your age.It seems that this is something that has been on your mind for Months.Yet you wait till the team is down to start a thread on it.....We all know that there are people who love to go to a team's boards when the team is doing bad and try to stir up a controversy among the fans.It is your timing is suspect......Couple that with your lack of prior posts and it does seems a bit trollish.The Bengals have real problems and the last thing that the Fans need right now is a RB controversy. (or a QB controversy for that matter)The team is fine at RB and Rudi IS the starter for this year....As for after this year....It will come down to the same thing that it came down to this off season which is $$$.If they can agree on the money they will sign him long term.If they can't they will most likely Slap some kind of a Tag on him and see what happens with him as a FA.But in the mean time there is NO RB controversy in Cincinnati, nor Should there be one. OK back to the troll thing i did mention this before the season started and i received similar opinions. I am not kicking the bengals while they are down I just want other peoples opinions on the subject. SO i didnt prove a thing for u. Ok back to the part where u say THAT THE BENGALS WILL SIGN HIM AGAIN FOR LONG TERM IF THEY AGREE ON MONEY. You are WRONG, the bengals signed him for one year and got a 1st round pick for a reason. They did not use there first round draft pick for a back up player. Maybe for one season but they didnt sign in intentions of staying a back up player i am sorry. So u are wrong and I think that every one can agree with that one. They got perry to start its just a matter of when he is capable of doing it and do it the right way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 [ Ok back to the part where u say THAT THE BENGALS WILL SIGN HIM AGAIN FOR LONG TERM IF THEY AGREE ON MONEY. You are WRONG, the bengals signed him for one year and got a 1st round pick for a reason. They did not use there first round draft pick for a back up player. Maybe for one season but they didnt sign in intentions of staying a back up player i am sorry. So u are wrong and I think that every one can agree with that one. They got perry to start its just a matter of when he is capable of doing it and do it the right wayThe Bengals offered Rudi a long term contract this Spring....Rudi (and his agent) thought that he was worth more than the Bengals were willing to offer so they ended up agreeing to a one year contract.The Bengals then drafted Perry, who could become a Featured back in the NFL. But who is also the Type of back that could COMPLIMENT Rudi in their backfield.By drafting Perry made sure that they are Covered either way.Not to mention that in todays NFL every team wants more than one Good RB...Since the draft Both sides have stated on more than one occasion that they Still want a long term deal for after this season.I am going but what Marvin Lewis, Jim Anderson and Rudi himself have said.What is it that you are going by ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettespd20 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 For one thing I have not heard Lewis say that at all or Rudi. BUT I AM NOT SAYING you are wrong about them saying that. Maybe they did say that i cant say for sure i just dont remember that being said. I do know that if it was said (which i unsure of) it would because they dont want to discuse contracts to the media during the season and its something that should be done in private until complete and dont want to exchange words and get things messed up that could effect the way a player could play or effect the way a coach could coach that player so they just keep it simple. But I think the bengals have bigger plans for perry other than being the back up who happends to be good. For the simple fact they got him in the first round and if they wanted a good back but was going to be a back up i think they would have used the 2nd round for that and used the 1st round (which teams use for there most major concerns) for another postion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 They said it....Now understand they are talking about after the season it won't even come back up until them.And understand that they took Perry in the first round because of all the backs in the draft He was The ONE they Wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 why even post this going on the forth week u give up to easy why dont we just wait and see what happens i think rudi is fine and i think he will be fine this year and after that its up to the coaches. so why give up so soon on him. i dont understand some of these posts stop giving up on the players so soon because who knows everyone could play so great and then everyone will be kissing there ass thinking there the best so im not worried one game at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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