skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 The team is now giving him every practice snap at the cornerback position. I'm not sure how I feel about it. I was excited to have him on as a safety, but if he can evolve into a shut down corner at some point, then great!Here is the article from bengals.com: At home on the corner8/19/2004 - 8-19-04, 8:15 a.m. BY GEOFF HOBSON GEORGETOWN, Ky. _ The Bengals have made the move the thought they might make back in April when they selected Maryland safety Madieu Williams in the second round of the NFL Draft. “He’s practicing only at corner. He’s not getting any reps at safety,” said defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier after Wednesday night’s practice. It tells you what kind of athlete he is.” He’ll really find out in a hurry about life on the NFL corner. He’s going to start out there Saturday night against merely one of the league’s best big-game wideouts in Troy Brown, and a Super Bowl MVP in quarterback Tom Brady as New England fine tunes its play-off run in August. “Tom Brady is very accurate and Troy Brown runs great routes. You can tell he’s been in the system a long time. I’m going to have my hands full,” Williams said calmly. The 6-1, 193-pound Williams started in the nickel package Monday night in Tampa Bay, but got promoted when Deltha O’Neal took a shot on his thigh and ankle and could be lost for a few weeks. But he expects to be back for at least the Sept. 12 regular-season opener. With fellow second-round pick Keiwan Ratliff nursing a hamstring injury and Reggie Myles fighting a groin problem, Williams is now the man. Frazier is satisfied with his depth over at safety that includes former starters Kevin Kaesviharn and Marquand Manuel behind current starters Kim Herring and Rogers Beckett. The O’Neal injury also shows how young the Bengals are in their back-up ranks, not only on the line and at linebacker, but also in the secondary. If they keep six cornerbacks and four safeties, the leading candidates behind O’Neal, Williams, and Tory James are Ratliff, Myles, second-year man Terrrell Roberts, and another rookie in Greg Brooks. Alvin Porter is also in the mix, the only corner that currently has a NFL start (5) behind James and O’Neal. “He’s one of those rare guys with that kind of quickness and size to play inside and outside,” Frazier said of Williams. “Watching him on tape before the draft, we thought he had that potential. Then when we saw him perform in one-on-one drills, man, he’s a good safety but he can be a heck of a corner and there’s a great demand for good corners.” Williams seems to be OK with the physical transition since he also played some corner in college on the outside in nickel situations. But he’s trying to grasp the communication. A good example came Wednesday night when wide receiver Kelley Washington cut in front of him for a catch and then got some yards after the catch. “It’s just knowing the leverage you’re supposed to play and learning the support calls (from the safety),” Williams said. “I expected the safety to drive (Washington), but he didn’t drive the slant, so I had to take it, and I was late.” Williams covered Pro Bowl receiver Chad Johnson well enough in the end zone on a goal-line situation that quarterback Carson Palmer had to overthrow him in the corner. “Chad said I put a hand on him at the last second and they would have called it,” Williams said. “I don’t know. That would be a tough call, especially without a ref here.” Frazier knows all about what Williams is going to be going through Saturday night. His first start on the NFL corner didn’t come until his second year with the Bears , but it was against the Vikings’ formidable pair of receivers in Ahmad Rashad and Sammy White. “I got the same questions you’re asking me now,” Frazier said. “Just be loose and play his game.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDeyNow Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I was really hoping we found ourselves a starter at safety for the next ten years with Madieu. As bad as our CBs have been for the last decade, the S's haven't been much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start?? It doesn't scream desperation. It screams injury. Also, I think Williams is proving to the coaches that he's ready. If not, there are other veterans on the team that would be put in front of him. People like Alvin Porter aren't stars, but they're serviceable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Desperation?Nahhhh.The kid has played great in practice,so why not see what he's got at corner?It's a meaningless pre-season game and the Bengals have nothing to lose,and much to gain by trying him out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Desperation?Nahhhh.The kid has played great in practice,so why not see what he's got at corner?It's a meaningless pre-season game and the Bengals have nothing to lose,and much to gain by trying him out there. And don't forget that it was the pickup of Herring in the offseason that makes this experiment possible. We've got a bit more depth at safety to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 And don't forget that it was the pickup of Herring in the offseason that makes this experiment possible. We've got a bit more depth at safety to play with. Not just Herring, but Manuel, K2 & Beckett. Even without Madieu I'm satisfied with our safeties. And Williams has the height Frazier likes at CB. If he can play the position, so much the better. Tory James isn't getting any younger and if it turns into a battle between Ratliff and Williams over his successor, well, I don't have a problem there. And if it turns out O'Neal can't be retrieved, then we can go to Williams quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 O'Neal must have got hurt on the fumbled punt return, which was courtesy of Manuel for chasing his man down the field instead of blocking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I am just really hoping for some Int's from the first unit this weekend... Those are the types of plays early on in the year and at home that help the confidence of tentative secondaries soar for a stretch of time...Oh yeah, and throwing Dillon to the ground for a couple of losses, wouldn't be too shabby either! Geez, while I'm at it, how about a couple TD passes from Palmer, and a sack for Justin Smith, and...... :player: :player: :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Tom Brady to throw a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Once my forehead turnes blue and purple, I had to exhale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 CB is alot harder to learn than S so that is why hes getting a shot at CB during the preseason, just in case he needs a good able body there. He can always play S, CB is a position that needs practice and time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start?? Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Thank you. Barb, you need to look up the facts before running your mouth...I'm all for having an antogonist around, but at least be an informed one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 ya barb...im with you alot of the time, but not on this one. u need to stop looking at the negative every single *** damn time something happens to the bEngals. Hes injured, and we have way more depth at S than we do at CB. Who's behind the starters now? Ratliff? He knows the CB position, he doesnt need huge reps. Kaesviharn? He knows it and plays safety too. I think he played safety first, then learned CB after. Then who? All the rest are new too. might as well give someone that has:A. youth B. starters ability C. ability to stay with a receiver with his speed and vision and D. he can flat out impact a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Thank you. Barb, you need to look up the facts before running your mouth...I'm all for having an antogonist around, but at least be an informed one. The spelling is "antagonist".Meaning:\An*tag"o*nist\, n. [L. antagonista, Gr. ?; ? against + ? combatant, champion, fr. ?: cf. F. antagoniste. See Antagonism.] 1. One who contends with another, especially in combat; an adversary; an opponent.Which I'm not. I'm PESSIMISTIC. Just because I don't agree with you about being positive about the Bungles doesn't mean I'm the "antagonist"--meaning opposing you. I'm simply disagreeing with you.If you going to call me something--then get it right, Skyline. And since I'm uninformed, what is Deltha's condition??? Is he out for the season??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Which one do you think??? Like always you don't have a clue. If you were not so busy being Mr. Negative you might have time to actually read up on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Thank you. Barb, you need to look up the facts before running your mouth...I'm all for having an antogonist around, but at least be an informed one. The spelling is "antagonist".Meaning:\An*tag"o*nist\, n. [L. antagonista, Gr. ?; ? against + ? combatant, champion, fr. ?: cf. F. antagoniste. See Antagonism.] 1. One who contends with another, especially in combat; an adversary; an opponent.Which I'm not. I'm PESSIMISTIC. Just because I don't agree with you about being positive about the Bungles doesn't mean I'm the "antagonist"--meaning opposing you. I'm simply disagreeing with you.If you going to call me something--then get it right, Skyline. And since I'm uninformed, what is Deltha's condition??? Is he out for the season??? Oh, give me a break Barb Don't tell me that you don't enjoy getting a few feathers ruffled here and there. You contend with nearly everyone here 95% of the time. Then you take it to the smack forum, which is our own special form of "combat".Don't deny it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Oh GOD here we go again. Another safety trying to convert to corner on the Bengals. Anyone remember when Roman tried this crap??? Maybe we could try O'Neal at WR when he comes back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Thank you. Barb, you need to look up the facts before running your mouth...I'm all for having an antogonist around, but at least be an informed one. The spelling is "antagonist".Meaning:\An*tag"o*nist\, n. [L. antagonista, Gr. ?; ? against + ? combatant, champion, fr. ?: cf. F. antagoniste. See Antagonism.] 1. One who contends with another, especially in combat; an adversary; an opponent.Which I'm not. I'm PESSIMISTIC. Just because I don't agree with you about being positive about the Bungles doesn't mean I'm the "antagonist"--meaning opposing you. I'm simply disagreeing with you.If you going to call me something--then get it right, Skyline. And since I'm uninformed, what is Deltha's condition??? Is he out for the season??? Oh, give me a break Barb Don't tell me that you don't enjoy getting a few feathers ruffled here and there. You contend with nearly everyone here 95% of the time. Then you take it to the smack forum, which is our own special form of "combat".Don't deny it Uhhhh NOPE--I don't contend with anyone. I post something (that is usually negative) and I get jumped on. Sort of like what is happening in this thread.I will admit that I was wrong about Deltha--I had no idea he was injured.However, you mentioned the smackola forum. If you'd like--you can roll the dice with the Barbster there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Anyone else think this screams of desparation?? I thought we had left the business of throwing second rounders into our backfield to start??Yep, it sure does. It also tells me that:A. The coaches aren't convinced that Deltha is the answer they were looking for.or B. The Bungles are looking to get rid of 1 of 2 of their starting Corners in next year's offseason???Which one do you think??? or...C. Deltha is injured Thank you. Barb, you need to look up the facts before running your mouth...I'm all for having an antogonist around, but at least be an informed one. The spelling is "antagonist".Meaning:\An*tag"o*nist\, n. [L. antagonista, Gr. ?; ? against + ? combatant, champion, fr. ?: cf. F. antagoniste. See Antagonism.] 1. One who contends with another, especially in combat; an adversary; an opponent.Which I'm not. I'm PESSIMISTIC. Just because I don't agree with you about being positive about the Bungles doesn't mean I'm the "antagonist"--meaning opposing you. I'm simply disagreeing with you.If you going to call me something--then get it right, Skyline. And since I'm uninformed, what is Deltha's condition??? Is he out for the season??? Oh, give me a break Barb Don't tell me that you don't enjoy getting a few feathers ruffled here and there. You contend with nearly everyone here 95% of the time. Then you take it to the smack forum, which is our own special form of "combat".Don't deny it Uhhhh NOPE--I don't contend with anyone. I post something (that is usually negative) and I get jumped on. Sort of like what is happening in this thread.I will admit that I was wrong about Deltha--I had no idea he was injured.However, you mentioned the smackola forum. If you'd like--you can roll the dice with the Barbster there. good one Anyway, back to topic...Williams does have a little CB experience in college doesn't he? Mostly a safety, but not a complete convert...I could be wrong on this one.The main reason I don't see this as a desperation move is because they've been talking about trying him at corner since the day they drafted him. It doesn't seem like a knee jerk reaction. If it had been a sudden thing out of left field, then I'd be inclined to go for the desperation theory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Johnson Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Im sorry but only a freaking loser with lots of no time posts the dictionarys definition of a word? I mean honestly, WTF? I think this move is whatever. As soon as Herring gives out( i think next year or the one after) Williams will be starting safety and decimating offenses. He may be useful as a backup CB though, In situations like this during the season. When injuries are screwing up the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Im sorry but only a freaking loser with lots of no time posts the dictionarys definition of a word? I mean honestly, WTF? Chad, One word you should look up--"ignant".Or maybe you could just ask Chris Rock on what that means--talk about WTF:"with lots of no time"WTF, Chad??? Are you from BackWater, MS or something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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