shworge Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 After watching the first preseason game my biggest concern (besides the defense) is the lack of pass protection by the first unit. By my count, Palmer dropped back to pass 9 times, was sacked once and knocked down three more times. When the QB is on his back almost 50% of the pass plays it is not a good situation. I thought Palmer looked confident, had no problems calling audibles and getting his players in the correct postion and when he had time to throw he was very accurate and made the right reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippCityRick Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I agree with you, however we must remember that Steinbach wasn't in there and Palmer still has to learn where the pressure is coming from. Let's also remember that our line doesn't get to practice against a team as tough as Tampa. They get to practice against what would amount to Tampa's "B" team. The line has shown good pass protection in the past and will improve during the preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted August 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I agree with you, however we must remember that Steinbach wasn't in there and Palmer still has to learn where the pressure is coming from. Let's also remember that our line doesn't get to practice against a team as tough as Tampa. They get to practice against what would amount to Tampa's "B" team. The line has shown good pass protection in the past and will improve during the preseason. I'm not sure how much he needs to learn where the pressure is coming from. It wasn't like he was sitting back there holding the ball unsure of what to do. He could barely complete his drop before being hit. And, he wasn't only getting hit on blitzes, which he seemed to recognize BTW, seemed like the Bucs were getting a ton of pressure with their front four. Steinbach will certainly help, but Larry Moore isn't a slouch, and with 4 other starters on the line, there shouldn't have been that much pressure. One thing I noticed is that we only kept a back in the backfield to block on one play, we were sending everyone and their brother out on routes. Bratkowski may want to take a page out of Joe Gibbs playbook and concentrate on protecting his young QB, especially early in the season. I have trust that our top three recievers are good enough to get seperation and therefore we don't need to send 5 players out on routes. Put a TE on Simeon Rice to help block and keep Perry or Rudi back to help protect Carson. When the kid has time to throw he is deadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Anthony Munoz and others have been saying that our O line may be one of the best we have had for many years; last night did nothing to give credibility to that outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatness Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I was a little disturbed by this situation as well.....and Tampa doesn't have Sapp anymore...they still seemed to be pushing us around up front... All we can hope is that this is the first Preseason game and the line will solidify in the coming weeks....if they don't straighten something out up front New England is going to smack us.....I agree that we need to do whatever we can to give Palmer some time....when he has the time he looks pretty good....he's going to make his share of mistakes this year....they don't need to add to that with poor O-Line play.....the last time we had a great O-Line, we were in the playoffs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'm not sure how much he needs to learn where the pressure is coming from. It wasn't like he was sitting back there holding the ball unsure of what to do. Casey Bramlet had great pocket presence. He spun and ran when he needed to except for a play or two where he got hesitant. Palmer, from the limited showing of his talents, didn't show that as much. He could probably have avoided a few hits but he held onto the ball alot also (get rid of it by 4). they don't need to add to that with poor O-Line playI didn't think the line played poorly. The rushing game looked very solid and Steinbach -- as Tipp pointed out -- was out and Jones is still a little gimpy as is Anderson. That too includes Warrick not playing... This game was not a good gauge on the team. They made a lot of stupid mistakes, and training camp knicks and injury is having it's way on the team right now. I think the biggest problem on this team is depth.. the d-line looked poor and the second team offense -- mostly the o-line -- looked very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatness Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Yeah.....Its still just the first game.....but they have plenty to get polished up before the season starts.....Bramlett did look pretty good.....I hear you on the pocket presence point, that will come with time....The first game is never a good gauge on the team.....we'll see what happens in the coming weeks..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I hear you on the pocket presence point, that will come with time.... Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted August 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Palmer, from the limited showing of his talents, didn't show that as much. He could probably have avoided a few hits but he held onto the ball alot also (get rid of it by 4). I went back and watched Palmer's series a couple of times (gotta love TIVO) and not once did I notice he was holding onto the ball too long. The times he got hit (which I counted at 4) he had just completed his drop or within a second of dropping back before he was hit. He may have been able to buy time but to me it just seemed like as soon as he set up he was being hit. When he had time to throw he looked very good and didn't seem to get locked in on one receiver. I was encouraged by seeing him call audibles at the line (Bratkowski and TJ admitted it would have been a touchdow if he would have caught the ball which tells me that was the perfect audible call and hot route) as well as getting his backs in linemen in the correct position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'm not a fan of pre-season games and don't take much stock in them but a few good points were made here and should be watched against the Patsies. Bobbie Williams was not known for his pass protection and many in Philly was glad to see him leave. Keep an eye on him Saturday.After getting shut out in the sacks game(5-0). Can anyone put pressure on the QB? I think we have really improved the secondary but that means squat if we get no pressure. Now with that said....RELAX...It's pre-season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 When the kid has time to throw he is deadly. Aw rilly? That's lame shworge. He played like 2 drives or some crud. You really know the kid's deadly huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 The times he got hit (which I counted at 4) he had just completed his drop or within a second of dropping back before he was hit. He may have been able to buy time but to me it just seemed like as soon as he set up he was being hit.He'll probably get better at that aspect, I'm just saying his presence of knowing where everyone was at was a little rusty. I wish I had the recording of a few instances I'm referring to but I know it's in the first quarter. Now with that said....RELAX...It's pre-season! Why? This is the fun part. We wouldn't have a very fun forum if people didn't take the other side of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted August 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 When the kid has time to throw he is deadly.Aw rilly? That's lame shworge. He played like 2 drives or some crud. You really know the kid's deadly huh? According to Marving Lewis ("Carson has the most talent of anyone in the building") and the Heisman trophy sitting on his shelf I am pretty confident saying if he has time to thrown he will put up good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Nope, still lame Whip. DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverbengal Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Nope, still lame Whip. DOH!I suppose you have some sort of insight as to how CP couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when given time to throw? Please share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I never said that now, did I? I hope he does well and I think he will... I'm just riding shworge 'cause he's a plummer. Aren't ya Whip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble dude, wethersby would be starting if it wasnt for the car reck, i mean come on man chill out a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble Wow! I've read some stupid post but this might be the all time best! Do you care to expand on that? Please let the rest of us in on this insight that you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 >> Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble <<Now just what in the hell is that supposed to mean? How was Marvin wrong about Weathersby? The poor guy has been layed up in hospitals more than he's been on the field practicing. This point is ridiculous and worthy of ridicule.As far as CP's play goes, he looked great. A single stat line does not tell of a performance, necessarily. If CJ had caught his 20 yarder and TJ his 35 yarder, Carson's numbers would have looked a lot more respectable. Not to mention the intangibles: the good audible he called when checking the defense across from him, his command of the offense and his players, and the fact that he really didn't make a single stupid play.As far as the defense, you can't look at a game summary. Too many players were included in those statistics. If you watched the game close enough you'd know that the first team never blitzed. I read somewhere that the D ran maybe 25 percent of their book.You guys are far too negative. I reiterate a point already made several times: it is one preseason game. Some of you are calling for cuts of legitimate second-string players and even our defensive coordinator. Settle down, learn to relax and read. Analyze these things.WHO DEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well, if Marvin Lewis is as "right" about Palmer as he was about Wethersby we are in major trouble You are a dumb troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 All I am saying guys is that Marvin isn't the "messiah" you think he is. Look at our best players:Chad Johnson-Drafted before MarvinJon Kitna last year-Marvin had no input on getting ths guyRudi Johnson-Once again, Marvin had no input on getting this guy.Our studs were here before Marvin. Look at what he has drafted iin the past 2 years. Only player to be worth a $hit is Steinbach. Palmer hasn't played a game yet. Jeremi Johnson is a fat@ss. Wethersby was shot for god's sake and this guy DRAFTED him. Perry was/is a holdout and behind, fumbled on his first carry for god's sake. Ratliff is invisible so far. I mean come on...we went 8-8. 8-8.I wanna see playoffs THIS year. Not next year. THIS YEAR. Quit taking chances on these project guys Marvin. Get gamers. And while your at it, get your defense together, since you are such an "expert" at it. LOL guys lighten up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 ok someone forgot kw, and looks like miller will be a beast along with a solidified secondary, marvin will have us in shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B24 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 All I am saying guys is that Marvin isn't the "messiah" you think he is.Look at our best players:Chad Johnson-Drafted before MarvinJon Kitna last year-Marvin had no input on getting ths guyRudi Johnson-Once again, Marvin had no input on getting this guy.All of whom had the best seasons of their careers under Coach Lewis.Jeremi Johnson is a fat@ss.I don't really think it's Marvin's fault that this guy gained 25 lbs in a little over a month. Wethersby was shot for god's sake and this guy DRAFTED him.He isn't playing this year because of a car wreck not because of being shot.Perry was/is a holdout and behind, fumbled on his first carry for god's sake. Ratliff is invisible so far.They've only played one preseason game so far. I mean come on...we went 8-8. 8-8.A six game improvement from 2002 isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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