gregcook68 Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Generally, I am on Dalton's side. So keep that in mind when I say this:To be perceived as "unflappable" in this context, a quarterback must consistently find himself in a scenario where he is tested by his own mistakes. Dalton definitely does.This is what I don't understand right here. I've been a Bengals fan since they came to town in 1968. Yes, there are players that I didn't like their behavior, for example Chad Johnson. When he changed his name and it became a circus, he became a performer instead of a football player, I didn't like that at all. But I never rooted against him. I wanted him to do well when the game started. Now if he messed up during the game I might say something like, "Well if you weren't such a diva you might have caught that pass." etc. But I would never root against anyone on the Bengals. Why?Because I have no control or say so as far as who's on the team and he's not on the team.Not not attacking you or anything stripes but I just don't know how a fan could say, "Well I'm generally for Andy Dalton." What does that exactly mean?We're on the same side, mate. I don't mean that there are moments when I root against Dalton or any other Bengals' player. No Bengals fan does that, it's an absurd assertion frankly.I mean that I want the Bengals to field the best team they possibly can, and sometimes that will mean certain players currently being fielded need to be replaced. I don't think it would be wise to replace Dalton considering all of the positive things he has done in such a short time frame and would be pretty alarmed to see the Bengals try.I want every player with a striped helmet to play well and root for that every single year. That's not some kind of world-stopping realization though -- every single person who roots for the Bengals does that. Heck, even the ones that spend ALL of their time complaining about Dalton want Dalton to play well on Sunday. They might not eat their crow, but they aren't angry about it. That's an unfair assumption.Thanks for the reply stripes. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I've spent a lot of time over in the Bengals website forum and trust me, there are guys over there that have made the statement the Dalton can't take this team to the Superbowl and if they do make it, it will be in spite of Dalton. They will never admit being wrong about him and when he does not have a great game, they used to come in there and gloat! Just like one of the members here posted about the guys he works with. It's almost like they live for the Bengals to fail so they can be right. He said when the Bengals win, they don't even celebrate the win!If they aren't rooting for them to lose, then it's the next step down from that.Trust me there are fans like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Airborne Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks for the reply stripes. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I've spent a lot of time over in the Bengals website forum and trust me, there are guys over there that have made the statement the Dalton can't take this team to the Superbowl and if they do make it, it will be in spite of Dalton. They will never admit being wrong about him and when he does not have a great game, they used to come in there and gloat! Just like one of the members here posted about the guys he works with. It's almost like they live for the Bengals to fail so they can be right. He said when the Bengals win, they don't even celebrate the win!If they aren't rooting for them to lose, then it's the next step down from that.Trust me there are fans like that.Just to reinforce the point, one of the guys I argue with came up to me after this past Monday and in all seriousness said, "I don't care if he had three touchdowns, the Bengals should still cut him right now." The fact that he didn't realize Andy had four irked me enough, but worse was the fact that he clearly prioritized getting rid of Andy above the team winning. He maintains that we couldn't trade Andy for any picks (which is idiotic) and so we need to cut him (for no reason) and let someone else play. He even suggested we should just make Sanu our #1 QB Now obviously the guy's a football idiot, but what the hell kind of fan would want that? One who cares more about a player being declared a failure so he can be right, not one who gives a crap about every player playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Just to reinforce the point, one of the guys I argue with came up to me after this past Monday and in all seriousness said, "I don't care if he had three touchdowns, the Bengals should still cut him right now." The fact that he didn't realize Andy had four irked me enough, but worse was the fact that he clearly prioritized getting rid of Andy above the team winning. He maintains that we couldn't trade Andy for any picks (which is idiotic) and so we need to cut him (for no reason) and let someone else play. He even suggested we should just make Sanu our #1 QB Now obviously the guy's a football idiot, but what the hell kind of fan would want that? One who cares more about a player being declared a failure so he can be right, not one who gives a crap about every player playing well./>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregcook68 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks for the reply stripes. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I've spent a lot of time over in the Bengals website forum and trust me, there are guys over there that have made the statement the Dalton can't take this team to the Superbowl and if they do make it, it will be in spite of Dalton. They will never admit being wrong about him and when he does not have a great game, they used to come in there and gloat! Just like one of the members here posted about the guys he works with. It's almost like they live for the Bengals to fail so they can be right. He said when the Bengals win, they don't even celebrate the win!If they aren't rooting for them to lose, then it's the next step down from that.Trust me there are fans like that.Just to reinforce the point, one of the guys I argue with came up to me after this past Monday and in all seriousness said, "I don't care if he had three touchdowns, the Bengals should still cut him right now." The fact that he didn't realize Andy had four irked me enough, but worse was the fact that he clearly prioritized getting rid of Andy above the team winning. He maintains that we couldn't trade Andy for any picks (which is idiotic) and so we need to cut him (for no reason) and let someone else play. He even suggested we should just make Sanu our #1 QB Now obviously the guy's a football idiot, but what the hell kind of fan would want that? One who cares more about a player being declared a failure so he can be right, not one who gives a crap about every player playing well.Trust me Airborne, that's the main reason why I'm here in this forum! I know exactly the kind of people you are describing. I just don't understand it at all.As frustrating as things can appear sometimes, the thing I have to remind myself from time to time, is that most of those coaches and staff have probably played and coached football since they were 9 years old. They have reasons they are doing what they are doing, and we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, in their meetings, practices, etc.They have forgotten more about football than I'll ever know!! :sure:/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 If you want to talk about a team winning a Super Bowl in spite of the QB, you need not look any further than one Mr. Rottenfurbuger in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. One of the worst (if not THE worst) QB performances from a QB of the winning team in Super Bowl history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Airborne Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 If you want to talk about a team winning a Super Bowl in spite of the QB, you need not look any further than one Mr. Rottenfurbuger in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. One of the worst (if not THE worst) QB performances from a QB of the winning team in Super Bowl history.That's some finely ground truth you're selling there Army. I believe he had the lowest passer rating ever for a QB in a super bowl that year. It was in the low 30's I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 22.6 my friend. 22.6This is my point to that as well.If Dalton had a worse outing in a Super Bowl victory, would a single person here bemoan the championship ??If you answer "yes" i'll start warming up the ban option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Airborne Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 22.6 my friend. 22.6This is my point to that as well.If Dalton had a worse outing in a Super Bowl victory, would a single person here bemoan the championship ??If you answer "yes" i'll start warming up the ban option. :lol:/>I don't care how they get it done, so long as they get it done. I bring up Rottenburger all the time as a great example of why we shouldn't ditch Andy. Andy's a much better QB than Ole Toothless in his first three years, and I bet no one in Pitt regrets keeping Mr. Busy Hands around to let him develop. People, especially Bengal's fans (though no one on here) seem to think if your QB isn't Peyton Manning good in two years or less, you need to cut the bum and try again. I'll be an Andy supporter so long as I see the potential for greatness in him. But I think I'm preaching to the choir on here when it comes to Andy. As always the fantastic members of Bengalszone have their heads screwed on straight. Also Hoosier, loved the video you posted, pretty much sums it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregcook68 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 22.6 my friend. 22.6This is my point to that as well.If Dalton had a worse outing in a Super Bowl victory, would a single person here bemoan the championship ??If you answer "yes" i'll start warming up the ban option. :lol:/>Maybe not in here but there are fans that would maybe not bemoan but would be elated that he played poorly so they could be right in their claim about him not having the skills to lead and they won in spite of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 This is why I stopped posting on Bengals forum was.after all bigdre hate that they would rather.see him cut then help our team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregcook68 Posted December 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 This is why I stopped posting on Bengals forum was.after all bigdre hate that they would rather.see him cut then help our teamAmen to this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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