Quan Cosby

[Kazkal]

Well my reasoning for Matt Jones making the team is A. He was good enough to be a first round draft pick

And just because a player was drafted in 1st rnd means their worth the pick? The only reason he was drafted in 1st as WR because he was 6'6 and ran a 4.4 that's it and a team that was Despite for WR's cut him...

Well Matt Jones wasn't a Bengal's first round pick...that makes a HUGE difference

He was a Jaguars which is worst because they been drafting like crap as of late.

Derek Harvey

Reggie Nelson

Marcedes Lewis

Matt Jones

Reggie Williams

Bryon Leftwich

One Solid 1st rounder (Marcedes) in the last 6 years and then they overdraft a guy by 10-20 slots this year.

[Trevor]

Jones can't play a lick of special teams.

uh, i think if we ask him too he will,.. the guy (is Now) a hard worker... can do pretty much everything, block (not as good as purify) but he can clock he's not soft, catch, run, and pass, how many ppl saw the pass to matt jones who slings it down the field for a TD?.. I have, and its awesome...

[Kazkal]

uh, i think if we ask him too he will,.. the guy (is Now) a hard worker... can do pretty much everything, block (not as good as purify) but he can clock he's not soft, catch, run, and pass, how many ppl saw the pass to matt jones who slings it down the field for a TD?.. I have, and its awesome...

I'm sure Jerome would be willing to play special teams too with a mark on his head but doesn't mean he's very valuable at it,Quans football IQ is why he is it goes beyond the measurable hence why he could take out 5-6 players himself on a single return.

PS,just rewatched the highlights of the bengals vs steelers game and god that was beautiful move MJ pulled on his sack could hardly tell he was 6'7 ...also reminds me how pissed i'm going to be if they let Jjoe walk after this season (loved him constantly getting in to it with Ward)

[ArmyBengal]

How anyone can call Jones a "hard worker" when he hasn't been on the field actually playing in well over a year and the coaches haven't seen anything from him except a garbage workout is beyond me. Go ahead and put me in the camp that thinks Jones and Simpson both won't make this team. If you want to take it a step further, I wouldn't even be surprised to see them let him go before they even get to camp in order to see what their shiny new toys will be able to do for them.

Here's another thought. With the Bears WR's spot in such disarray last season AND Matt Jones was available, did they even consider him or bring him in for a look see ?? Nope. Not even a sniff. That right there should tell you something. He was brought in here as insurance in case the Bengals didn't get at least one more receiver in the draft they felt confident in.

I could be wrong, but that's where I am at this point.

[Kazkal]

Something to factor in Carsons new Toys over last 2 years in College

Chase Coffman 17 Touchdowns(listing him because hes pretty much a new toy )

Jermaine Gresham 25 Touchdowns

Jordan Shipley 24 Touchdowns

Desmond Briscoe 23 Touchdowns

[TJJackson]

I've alrdy written Cosby off as not being the returner

I am having a hard time understanding what you all are thinking

Cosby was a PRO BOWL level punt returner

and

was good to great in other special teams spots

and

was solidly good when called upon to perform as a WR

You dont let a pro bowl level performer go, folks!

especially when he's young and making minimum salary.

period.

no other player, and particularly not the draftees, have proven ANYTHING as a PR

Please, come to your senses.

[TJJackson]

my reasoning for Matt Jones making the team is A. He was good enough to be a first round draft pick

Some other folks who were 'good enough to be a first round pick'

Akili "Wonderlic" Smith

David "Fetal Position" Klingler

Two Carry Perry

ViJayJay Carter

Rickey Dixon

Jason Buck

Joe Kelly

Well Matt Jones wasn't a Bengal's first round pick...that makes a HUGE difference!

You've missed the point entirely.

Those guys all were first round picks - were they quality players?

You earn first round status based on what you've shown BEFORE being drafted

You earn playing team and roster spots based on what comes AFTER being drafted

Do you understand the term "bust"?

Matt Jones is a "bust"

The reason this bust is here is because we have a alleged GM who is often referred to as "The Redeemer"

No other GM (whether real or - like ours - imaginary) wanted him

He's here because it made Son of a Genius happy to have him here.

[Kazkal]

Cosby was a PRO BOWL level punt returner

Best returner we've had in over 20 years I know but I think Shipley could win it is all.

was good to great in other special teams spots

You do know I was one who made this thread pimping cosby right? That his play in special teams earns him a spot?

was solidly good when called upon to perform as a WR

No doubt man Hence why I think hes our 5th WR and the only spot really in question is 6# which will be fought out between Briscoe,Jones & simpson...maybe purify

You dont let a pro bowl level performer go, folks!

Seriously look at who made the thread and has been defending cosby the entire thread.

no other player, and particularly not the draftees, have proven ANYTHING as a PR

Main reason I see Shipley as a returner for PR is so Quan can block for him

Please, come to your senses.

Please read more then few words to a post

[TJJackson]

So if he had the worst try-out ever why would the Bengals waste even a dime on the guy?

There was no cost. He was paid no siging bonus, and his contract includes no guarenteed dollars.

No dimes wasted, to use your verbiage

They could have brought in Galloway or even TO for that matter.

The difference being they'd have actually had to pay one of those two some guarenteed money. In those cases, there WOULD have been some wasted dimes.

No, the reason this POS receiver is here is because it makes Mike "Redeemer" Brown happy

In the "Redeemer" sense, for those of you asking who he replaces, he replaces Chris Henry. Another wayward soul, redeemed.

[TJJackson]

Please read more then few words to a post

Tell me how I misread "I've alrdy written Cosby off as not being the returner"

He's a pro bowl level PR

You play your pro bowl level PR as (duh) a PR

easy peasy ben's-so-sleazy

[Spor_tees]

So if he had the worst try-out ever why would the Bengals waste even a dime on the guy?

There was no cost. He was paid no siging bonus, and his contract includes no guarenteed dollars.

No dimes wasted, to use your verbiage

They could have brought in Galloway or even TO for that matter.

The difference being they'd have actually had to pay one of those two some guarenteed money. In those cases, there WOULD have been some wasted dimes.

No, the reason this POS receiver is here is because it makes Mike "Redeemer" Brown happy

In the "Redeemer" sense, for those of you asking who he replaces, he replaces Chris Henry. Another wayward soul, redeemed.

He has to be getting paid something at this point. A guy doesn't show up to workouts on a signed contract and not get paid for it. I am sure it is like all the other guys where there is a clause that he gets bonus money if he shows up for the off season 'voluntary' camps. Didn't they just have one of these 'voluntary' camps recently? Can anyone say if Matt Jones was in attendance and what kind of showing he made?

Army just because a guy doesn't sign with another team doesn't mean that team never made any inquiries about him. Maybe he was waiting for the right fit? Maybe a team with a QB that doesn't throw 5 Int's per game? Oh and btw wasn't Cedric Benson out of the league for almost a year and passed over by every other NFL team before joining the Bengals? I do believe he was labeled a first round bust as well. I think that has worked out quite well so far.

[TJJackson]

He has to be getting paid something at this point.

No, he doesn't.

A guy doesn't show up to workouts on a signed contract and not get paid for it.

yes, he does, if he wants to make the roster

I am sure it is like all the other guys where there is a clause that he gets bonus money if he shows up for the off season 'voluntary' camps.

You've seen his contract? Talked to his agent?

Didn't they just have one of these 'voluntary' camps recently?

No

are you even aware of what year and month it is?

Can anyone say if Matt Jones was in attendance and what kind of showing he made?

Good luck with that

[ArmyBengal]

Army just because a guy doesn't sign with another team doesn't mean that team never made any inquiries about him. Maybe he was waiting for the right fit? Maybe a team with a QB that doesn't throw 5 Int's per game? Oh and btw wasn't Cedric Benson out of the league for almost a year and passed over by every other NFL team before joining the Bengals? I do believe he was labeled a first round bust as well. I think that has worked out quite well so far.

No sh*t huh ?? Maybe he was waiting for ANYONE to call at that point in time and they never did. Why ?? Because he's a crackhead and had no motivation. So you think he was sitting at home declining offers to play because he was "waiting for the right fit" ?? That's one of the funniest things i've read on this board. Yeah right. I think he would go anywhere willing to pay him and you would think he would go anywhere he had the chance to actually start. I'm still trying to figure out what he's doing here, because he isn't starting and the Bengals don't have to pay him sh*t. Still think this is the best fit ?? Hardly.

Yeah, I know Benson was out of the league for almost a year, but you are comparing apples to oranges as to the "reason" they were each of the league for a year. One was a crackhead and one had someone to push him off a roster that he distanced himself from.

If Jones makes the roster, I will be more than happy to say good for him and I will be rooting that he does well.

I just think that will be the case.

[Spor_tees]

He has to be getting paid something at this point.

No, he doesn't.

A guy doesn't show up to workouts on a signed contract and not get paid for it.

yes, he does, if he wants to make the roster

I am sure it is like all the other guys where there is a clause that he gets bonus money if he shows up for the off season 'voluntary' camps.

You've seen his contract? Talked to his agent?

Didn't they just have one of these 'voluntary' camps recently?

No

are you even aware of what year and month it is?

Can anyone say if Matt Jones was in attendance and what kind of showing he made?

Good luck with that

Sorry haven't had the internet in awhile and several other teams have already had camps. Just looked up that the Bengals first camp isn't until May 11th. As for seeing his contract, that argument works both ways. Have you seen his contract to say that he isn't getting any money right now?

[TJJackson]

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-take-a-shot-on-Jones/0a29aefa-64c8-4fbd-ad48-541d9cf30c37

Do you understand the term "minimum plus incentives"?

Do you understand that incentives are earned by on-field performance?

Maybe you live upstairs from Hair and are drifting by in the haze of his secondary smoke

[Trevor]

Army just because a guy doesn't sign with another team doesn't mean that team never made any inquiries about him. Maybe he was waiting for the right fit? Maybe a team with a QB that doesn't throw 5 Int's per game? Oh and btw wasn't Cedric Benson out of the league for almost a year and passed over by every other NFL team before joining the Bengals? I do believe he was labeled a first round bust as well. I think that has worked out quite well so far.

No sh*t huh ?? Maybe he was waiting for ANYONE to call at that point in time and they never did. Why ?? Because he's a crackhead and had no motivation. So you think he was sitting at home declining offers to play because he was "waiting for the right fit" ?? That's one of the funniest things i've read on this board. Yeah right. I think he would go anywhere willing to pay him and you would think he would go anywhere he had the chance to actually start. I'm still trying to figure out what he's doing here, because he isn't starting and the Bengals don't have to pay him sh*t. Still think this is the best fit ?? Hardly.

Yeah, I know Benson was out of the league for almost a year, but you are comparing apples to oranges as to the "reason" they were each of the league for a year. One was a crackhead and one had someone to push him off a roster that he distanced himself from.

If Jones makes the roster, I will be more than happy to say good for him and I will be rooting that he does well.

I just think that will be the case.

Come on man you're jusdging him because of some VERY stupid stuff he did, He doesn't do it anymore and he's not a crackhead. DEREK JETER has been linked to coke... And NY fans love him, matt jones has his head on straight and if you read his article on bengals.com you all would know that, would i give a talented wide reciever who knows this is his last chance a job? HELL YES, and we dont need cosby, someone else can take his spot. And to call him lazy now is just wrong, he's gone to the meetings, OTAs, he's learning the offense... We gave him a shot, along with ced, tank, and many others, he'll be very productive in some areas for us, he may only get 200 recieving yds but i bet he gets 4-6 tds..

[TJJackson]

and we dont need cosby, someone else can take his spot

The morons are flooding out of the woodwork today

[HairOnFire]

The depth chart I hope to see is:

Chad, Bryant, Shipley, Caldwell, Cosby, Purify.

Purify won't make this team.

[Spor_tees]

and we dont need cosby, someone else can take his spot

The morons are flooding out of the woodwork today

Great retort. Have you been typing your thread comments during recess? You have your opinion on Matt Jones and I have mine. I base mine on the recent success the Bengals have had of motivating and turning around otherwise wasted talent. I also base my opinion on his listed size, skill set, and recent numbers. Look up his 2008 numbers the year before he was suspended. They are better than Caldwell's last year and it was with a QB that isn't even in the league of Carson Palmer. Everybody sees talent in different ways but I think the guy has a shot and he is a totally different type of receiver than Cosby as I mentioned earlier.

[ArmyBengal]

Come on man you're jusdging him because of some VERY stupid stuff he did, He doesn't do it anymore and he's not a crackhead. DEREK JETER has been linked to coke... And NY fans love him, matt jones has his head on straight and if you read his article on bengals.com you all would know that, would i give a talented wide reciever who knows this is his last chance a job? HELL YES, and we dont need cosby, someone else can take his spot. And to call him lazy now is just wrong, he's gone to the meetings, OTAs, he's learning the offense... We gave him a shot, along with ced, tank, and many others, he'll be very productive in some areas for us, he may only get 200 recieving yds but i bet he gets 4-6 tds..

I'm not judging him, I'm going by things he has done and how that "can" affect what he will bring to this team. He's had drug problems along with alcohol problems, so yeah, that's a concern. To compare him to Jeter, who is considered one of the greatest Yankee players of all time that the fans should love, is comical to say the least. If Matt Jones were to carry this team to the Super Bowl, I'd love him as much as the Yankees fans love Jeter, but would you like to venture what the odds of that happening are ??

I didn't call him lazy either, but it's speculation to say he's doing anything more than reading a play book, unless you are hanging out with him. OTA's haven't started yet either, so I'm pretty sure he's not doing that. Once again, if he does in fact make the team, I will be happy for him and will be rooting for him, but I simply don't see that being the case.

Someone else can simply take the spot of the best return man we've had in over 15 years, that had pro bowl type numbers ??

Wouldn't finding that kind of guy again be like catching lightning in a bottle twice ??

Here's another reason Cosby will make this team... He doesn't cost us sh*t as an UDFA.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Jones isn't a slot receiver either, so he's not taking Cosby's job...

[BengalPimp]

I liked what Cosby gave the Bengals last year...but last year the Bengals weren't as deep at receiver as they are going into this year (theoretically).

All the more reason to keep him. The better the talent at the top of the depth chart, the less need there is for a guy at the bottom to play. So, why fill out the bottom of the depth chart with guys who can't play special teams? Matt Jones and Jerome Simpson would just be wasting space, getting little to no meaningful snaps, as well as being unable to contribute on special teams.

Cosby was a stud last year, both as a punt returner (he led the league in yards, and had the same average as Cribbs), as well as a hard working role player on kickoffs. Why cut him in a favor of a guy who won't see the field?

Who said Matt Jones wouldn't see the field? Ocho is due for an injury at this point and Bryant is coming off injury from last year. You need guys that can step and fill receiver roles. Cosby is strictly a slot receiver and can not fill either Ocho's or Bryant's roles on the outside. Shipley is pretty much in the same boat, taking on the Wes Welker role. You got to have some big back-up receivers who can step up if/when injuries happen.

Alright...

We're agreed that Chad and Bryant are 1 and 2. The Bengals also have Caldwell who caught 51 passes last year, and drafted a WR in the 3rd round to be a 3rd WR. That's 4. Then they drafted another WR one on top of that in the 6th. That should be all the information you need on their faith in Matt Jones.

Here are a couple quotes made about Matt Jones' workout:

“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast. He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Why anyone thinks he's going to make the team is beyond me... let alone actually be a contributer.

But yet, there were so many who applauded the Bengals for being proactive and signing a WR like Matt Jones just a couple of months ago. Personally, i didn't care for the signing when it happened. Today, still don't care for it much.

Granted there isn't much to talk about now, but i will wait and see what these guys look like in training camp and pre-season. If anybody (besides Chad and Antonio) comes into camp out of shape....They're likely to be out of a job (Caldwell included).......Fight it out boys....

[Kazkal]

Please read more then few words to a post

Tell me how I misread "I've alrdy written Cosby off as not being the returner"

He's a pro bowl level PR

You play your pro bowl level PR as (duh) a PR

easy peasy ben's-so-sleazy

because of everything you typed after returner I've alrdy stated and I like I said I love him as a returner I just feel shipley wins it and then Quan ends up blocking for him "shrug"

[BengalPimp]

The depth chart I hope to see is:

Chad, Bryant, Shipley, Caldwell, Cosby, Purify.

Purify won't make this team.

Hell, he won't even be on the practice squad.

[TJJackson]

I love him as a returner I just feel shipley wins it and then Quan ends up blocking for him "shrug"

An unproven rookie unseats a pro-bowl level punt returner (health as always assumed)

Yeah. Uh-huh.

I'll take that bet every day, and 5 times on Sunday.

[Kazkal]

I love him as a returner I just feel shipley wins it and then Quan ends up blocking for him "shrug"

An unproven rookie unseats a pro-bowl level punt returner

Yeah. Uh-huh.

I'll take that bet every day, and 5 times on Sunday.

Probowl like numbers but he's wasn't a probowler and Quan himself was a rookie,All in all doesn't change the fact you being nit picky over stuff we agreed on and now trying save face by the one thing we disagree on

PS,Shipley had 4 Touchdowns in 2 years returning vs Quans 2 TD's in 4 years with that being said I am truly happy with either one of them returning aslong as they don't stick Keiwan back there again