Favorite and least favorite pick?

[BengalByTheBay]

Am I the only one who feels like the Pats. are sorta spastic with all the trading? Probably, I know they're all geniuses over there, but I sometimes get the feeling that they'd get pretty much the same people if they just stayed put.

[HairOnFire]

Favorite Pick - Gresham, almost by default.

Least Favorite - Shipley. Not only do the Bengals reach badly for yet another WR....they doom themselves to further reaching for offensive lineman, as well as missing out at the saftey positions altogether.

[Kazkal]

Am I the only one who feels like the Pats. are sorta spastic with all the trading? Probably, I know they're all geniuses over there, but I sometimes get the feeling that they'd get pretty much the same people if they just stayed put.

Me thinks their missing their former GM because when was last time they had a superb draft?Like they get praised every year but last time I saw the team was going down hill.

[ArmyBengal]

In regards to them not trading up a handful of spots to get Mays, while I may not know what the asking price was, but I would bet a few of my paychecks it wasn't the equivalent of three picks like they are indicating (costing Dunlap, Shipley, and Atkins). They would have gotten Mays instead of Dunlap and given up no more than a 4th or 5th. You can argue both sides of that trade being good or not and will admit that, but it wasn't at the cost of what they are saying and simply don't buy that for a minute.

I think that's the warm and fuzzy feeling they are trying to give the fans and nothing more.

Happy with the guys they trained to be safties ?? Are you kidding me ?? Yeah, I want to see Nelson starting if someone goes down. BS...

[HoosierCat]

Happy with the guys they trained to be safties ?? Are you kidding me ?? Yeah, I want to see Nelson starting if someone goes down. BS...

On that note, Hobs passed a comment today on the new bengals.com blog (helpfully entitled "blogs") that Nelson is apparently up for replacement because he "wasn't the same player last year after he got hurt."

Lynch...Nelson...I guess Miles will be next into the safety churn.

[ArmyBengal]

Happy with the guys they trained to be safties ?? Are you kidding me ?? Yeah, I want to see Nelson starting if someone goes down. BS...

On that note, Hobs passed a comment today on the new bengals.com blog (helpfully entitled "blogs") that Nelson is apparently up for replacement because he "wasn't the same player last year after he got hurt."

Lynch...Nelson...I guess Miles will be next into the safety churn.

That's just a God D*mned shame...

[HairOnFire]

Lynch...Nelson...I guess Miles will be next into the safety churn.

Exactly.

But in this example you're taking about endlessly churning the bottom of the barrel, not the top.

[HoosierCat]

Lynch...Nelson...I guess Miles will be next into the safety churn.

Exactly.

But in this example you're taking about endlessly churning the bottom of the barrel, not the top.

I dunno. You, among others, seem to be pretty worked up about wasting a 6th rounder on Dez. That's where they took Corey Lynch two years ago. The year before that, they wasted a 4th round pick on Marvin White. And that was just three years after spending a 2 on Madieu Williams. And that doesn't mention the FA signings: Rogers Beckett, Dexter Jackson, Chris Crocker, Roy Williams.

All that, and the best safety on the team in the last 10 years was probably Kevin Kaeshviharn...

[Trevor]

Isnt ken hamlin available?..

[derekshank]

Isnt ken hamlin available?..

Yeah, but they aren't going to give starter money to a guy to come in and demand a starting position, when Crocker and Williams are the starters.

But I get your point and agree with you. There are still a bunch of quality free agents out there for the taking, that could be excellent role players and depth in the secondary... but I'm betting they settle with a rookie who wasn't good enough to get drafted.

[Kazkal]

Isnt ken hamlin available?..

Yeah, but they aren't going to give starter money to a guy to come in and demand a starting position, when Crocker and Williams are the starters.

But I get your point and agree with you. There are still a bunch of quality free agents out there for the taking, that could be excellent role players and depth in the secondary... but I'm betting they settle with a rookie who wasn't good enough to get drafted.

I dunno. You, among others, seem to be pretty worked up about wasting a 6th rounder on Dez. That's where they took Corey Lynch two years ago. The year before that, they wasted a 4th round pick on Marvin White. And that was just three years after spending a 2 on Madieu Williams. And that doesn't mention the FA signings: Rogers Beckett, Dexter Jackson, Chris Crocker, Roy Williams.

I'll take Chris Crocker & roy williams play over K2 ...now if you could install his health in to Roy Williams.

[Kazkal]

In regards to them not trading up a handful of spots to get Mays, while I may not know what the asking price was, but I would bet a few of my paychecks it wasn't the equivalent of three picks like they are indicating (costing Dunlap, Shipley, and Atkins). They would have gotten Mays instead of Dunlap and given up no more than a 4th or 5th. You can argue both sides of that trade being good or not and will admit that, but it wasn't at the cost of what they are saying and simply don't buy that for a minute.

I think that's the warm and fuzzy feeling they are trying to give the fans and nothing more.

Happy with the guys they trained to be safties ?? Are you kidding me ?? Yeah, I want to see Nelson starting if someone goes down. BS...

Probably crowd control over ton hate mail hobson got after bengals sat on their hands.

[HairOnFire]

I dunno. You, among others, seem to be pretty worked up about wasting a 6th rounder on Dez.

Maybe people are tired of watching late round picks be wasted on WR's drafted specifically with the practice squad in mind. Or 2nd round WR's who are drafted even when no open roster spot awaits them. Or the now lengthy parade of 2nd and 3rd round picks used on part-time role playing offensive weapons. Maybe people look at all the assets wasted and begin to wonder about the wisdom of endlessly tinkering over something to the point you never actually build anything. Maybe people realize that acknowledging how something isn't working isn't proper justification for doing the exact same thing over and over again.

And that doesn't mention the FA signings: Rogers Beckett, Dexter Jackson, Chris Crocker, Roy Williams. All that, and the best safety on the team in the last 10 years was probably Kevin Kaeshviharn...

I sometimes fantasize about what it might be like not having to make do with the likes of things found on the waiver wire, a listing of UDFA's, or in a bag found by the side of the road.

[HairOnFire]

Yeah, but they aren't going to give starter money to a guy to.....

You could have stopped with they aren't going to give starter money to anyone who plays safety on this roster, including the starters.

Crocker is the highest paid, but still makes peanuts, Williams series of one-year rental contracts pays him in even smaller but spicier spanish peanuts, Ndukwe is still making 7th round coin, and the rest of the remaining safety corp is compensated on a level befitting their late round status.

Crumbs.

[HoosierCat]

Maybe people are tired of watching late round picks be wasted on WR's drafted specifically with the practice squad in mind.

As opposed to the many late-round picks at other positions who don't end up cut or on the PS? Oh, wait...

Or 2nd round WR's who are drafted even when no open roster spot awaits them.

And when did that happen? IIRC, there was a threat of a pretty big hole at WR when Simpson was drafted. The blame for that isn't any strategy of the Bengals', but the guy you love to hate, right?

Or the now lengthy parade of 2nd and 3rd round picks used on part-time role playing offensive weapons.

Well, when you other weapons leave (TJ), wash out due to career-ending injury (Irons) or, y'know, die, your options become a bit limited, don't they?

Maybe people look at all the assets wasted and begin to wonder about the wisdom of endlessly tinkering over something to the point you never actually build anything.

Um, actually, they did build something: one of the best WR corps is football, Chad + TJ + Henry. Unfortunately, Chad's pushing into the mid-30s, TJ is a Seahawk and Henry's dead.

Maybe people realize that acknowledging how something isn't working isn't proper justification for doing the exact same thing over and over again.

Well, let's see: they can't draft WRs, and all their attempts to reinforce the position through FA have failed as well. So if you know of some third way to acquire players, you have a lucrative career awaiting you in the NFL.

[HairOnFire]

Maybe people are tired of watching late round picks be wasted on WR's drafted specifically with the practice squad in mind.

As opposed to the many late-round picks at other positions who don't end up cut or on the PS? Oh, wait...

Wait until you stop comparing one or two positions with the rest of the entire roster?

And when did that happen? IIRC, there was a threat of a pretty big hole at WR when Simpson was drafted.

Why ask a question when your next sentence makes it clear you knew the answer already? And if there was a pretty big hole, why has Simpson had absolutely no opportunity to play?

Well, when you other weapons leave (TJ), wash out due to career-ending injury (Irons) or, y'know, die, your options become a bit limited, don't they?

Why stop there? Did you forget Part-Time Perry was an even higher pick than 2nd rounder Irons? And before you determined it was the right thing to churn 3rd round Caldwell, earlier 3rd rounder Chris Henry was making Kelly Washington 3rd round churnable. And now at TE Chase Coffman is a 3rd round pick so quickly churned he actually managed to be replaced before playing a single down. Which strangely enough isn't unique.

Um, actually, they did build something: one of the best WR corps is football, Chad + TJ + Henry. Unfortunately, Chad's pushing into the mid-30s, TJ is a Seahawk and Henry's dead.

So plug in all of those draft picks.

What's that, you hate them all and want them replaced by new draft picks? Well of course you do. And you will again next year.

[HairOnFire]

Well, let's see: they can't draft WRs....

Actually, drafting WR's is what they do best. What they can't seem to manage is developing any of those draft picks into players you'll be satisfied with.

....and all their attempts to reinforce the position through FA have failed as well.

Only the ones you bother acknowledging. As for me, I'm not counting out Antonio Bryant yet.

So if you know of some third way to acquire players, you have a lucrative career awaiting you in the NFL.

And you'll catch up as soon as you figure out that I don't want to acquire more WR's, and in fact....didn't want most of the ones who were added in the past, including those added as recently as this week.

[derekshank]

Don't lump me in. I like 5th round O-Line projects.

Just not as much as I like 1st round TEs with bad knees.

WHo would you have preferred a WR with suspect ticker? a Linebacker who had enough injury concerns to knock him down from 2nd round? seems like there were medical concerns on a few guys we liked...

Fair question. Who would I have preferred? Well, it's a fairly useless exercise - but given how vocal I've been about my dissatisfaction, here's how I would have preferred to see it go.

1st round - The Bengals didn't want Bryant, no problem. Sergio has health problems? Pass. How about Dan Williams? That kid would have been unblockable next to Peko.

2nd round - I loved the Dunlap pick. But if the Bengals didn't want D-Line twice in a row, I would have been pleased as punch with Brandon Spikes, OG Jon Asamoah, or just about any safety.

3rd round - It seemed inevitable that the Bengals would draft a WR, so I'll leave the Shipley pick alone, and with the comp pick of the 3rd round, take your favorite TE of Hernandez, Pitta, or McCoy.

So like I said... not much value in attempting to rewrite history, but I think your question deserved answering, and I think I'd be wearing an ever so slightly larger smile today had they opted against Gresham.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Don't lump me in. I like 5th round O-Line projects.

Just not as much as I like 1st round TEs with bad knees.

WHo would you have preferred a WR with suspect ticker? a Linebacker who had enough injury concerns to knock him down from 2nd round? seems like there were medical concerns on a few guys we liked...

Fair question. Who would I have preferred? Well, it's a fairly useless exercise - but given how vocal I've been about my dissatisfaction, here's how I would have preferred to see it go.

1st round - The Bengals didn't want Bryant, no problem. Sergio has health problems? Pass. How about Dan Williams? That kid would have been unblockable next to Peko.

2nd round - I loved the Dunlap pick. But if the Bengals didn't want D-Line twice in a row, I would have been pleased as punch with Brandon Spikes, OG Jon Asamoah, or just about any safety.

3rd round - It seemed inevitable that the Bengals would draft a WR, so I'll leave the Shipley pick alone, and with the comp pick of the 3rd round, take your favorite TE of Hernandez, Pitta, or McCoy.

So like I said... not much value in attempting to rewrite history, but I think your question deserved answering, and I think I'd be wearing an ever so slightly larger smile today had they opted against Gresham.

I would have liked these picks better, too. The problem is that once the Bengals change their first round pick other teams would have changed the player they picked and some of the players you wanted in rds. 2-3 might have been gone. Because of the one change leading to many other changes in the draft, your wish-it-was draft may not have looked as good.

[derekshank]

Don't lump me in. I like 5th round O-Line projects.

Just not as much as I like 1st round TEs with bad knees.

WHo would you have preferred a WR with suspect ticker? a Linebacker who had enough injury concerns to knock him down from 2nd round? seems like there were medical concerns on a few guys we liked...

Fair question. Who would I have preferred? Well, it's a fairly useless exercise - but given how vocal I've been about my dissatisfaction, here's how I would have preferred to see it go.

1st round - The Bengals didn't want Bryant, no problem. Sergio has health problems? Pass. How about Dan Williams? That kid would have been unblockable next to Peko.

2nd round - I loved the Dunlap pick. But if the Bengals didn't want D-Line twice in a row, I would have been pleased as punch with Brandon Spikes, OG Jon Asamoah, or just about any safety.

3rd round - It seemed inevitable that the Bengals would draft a WR, so I'll leave the Shipley pick alone, and with the comp pick of the 3rd round, take your favorite TE of Hernandez, Pitta, or McCoy.

So like I said... not much value in attempting to rewrite history, but I think your question deserved answering, and I think I'd be wearing an ever so slightly larger smile today had they opted against Gresham.

I would have liked these picks better, too. The problem is that once the Bengals change their first round pick other teams would have changed the player they picked and some of the players you wanted in rds. 2-3 might have been gone. Because of the one change leading to many other changes in the draft, your wish-it-was draft may not have looked as good.

Well, that's why I put multiple options for every single pick.

[BengalPimp]

Favorite Pick: No Surprise.....JERMAINE GRESHAM BABY !!!!!

Least Favorite Pick: G Otis Hudson, when my sleeper Marshall Newhouse was still available (went later that same Rd to Green Bay)

[BengalPappaw]

My Favorite: Carlos Dunlap Love the pass rush capability and pass "knock down" combination with MJ

Least Favorite: Reggie (Big Sloth) Stephens Not impressed with his game tapes. I think he makes us forget the "Dancing Bear" -- maybe even wish the Bear was back.

[cincyhokie]

I'm going with Gino Atkins, DT. The guy plays tough, high motor and energy. Fast as hell for his size. Strong. Completely abused Iupati at the Senior Bowl. Anchor of the UGA defense. Great value in the 4th and can really add some pressure to our pass rush. Shipley is a close second.

Least favorite? If I had to pick one, it might be the 5th round pick of Otis Hudson. I like the choice going with depth at OG but there seemed to be some better talent available. More of a project that will land on the PS.

Ching.

[HairOnFire]

Favorite Pick - Gresham, almost by default.

Suprised?

Least Favorite - Shipley.

He's growing on me.....mostly because he looks nothing like he did in the championship game. But there's still a part of me that gets angry everytime I think about the ridiculous logjam at WR. But other times it makes me happy.

So, yeah.

FWIW, I admit this one will probably make me mad at least one more time when the WR cuts are made.