Peppers could be our Reggie White

[walzav29]

I think he would do wonders for the defense. I would love to see this, but I'm sure if he leaves Carolina he'll end up in Washington or Dallas. Still would be sweet.

[Ickey44]

Not gonna happen. He wants too much money.

[cincyhokie]

This would be great except for the Haynesworth sized contract he is going to be wanting. I don't think that MB is going to put all of his money into one player, nor do I think he should. No one player is worth a 100 mil contract.

[SupaBran]

My problem is will we have a chance at any difference making free agents with this PoS "owner".

Let's face it, we either bring in free agents on the downward slope of their careers like Sam Adams, Roy Williams, and Coles or young players with a checkered background like Ced Benson.

We don't bring in established players in the prime of their careers...it's just how it is.

We go into free agency already out of the race for players like Brandon Marshall or Julius Peppers.

[kingwilly]

My problem is will we have a chance at any difference making free agents with this PoS "owner".

Let's face it, we either bring in free agents on the downward slope of their careers like Sam Adams, Roy Williams, and Coles or young players with a checkered background like Ced Benson.

We don't bring in established players in the prime of their careers...it's just how it is.

I am hardly a defender of SoP, as I feel he is as cheap as the day is long but I think you need to check some history.

Here is a short list of good FA's, maybe not the Top-Shelf, but decent (meaning they made the team better) none-the-less, who've been brought here.

Antwan Odom

Garrison Hearst

Rogers Beckett

Kevin Hardy

Duane Clemons

Oliver Gibson

Richmond Webb

Jon Kitna

Jeff Burris

Lorenzo Neal

Tony Williams

John Thornton

Nate Webster

Kenny Watson

Kim Herring

Tory James

Deltha O'Neal (Trade)

Carl Powell

Anthony Mitchell

etc, etc, etc.

They bring folks in. They just don't seem to want to/try to get the big fish with any frequency. Not getting Shaun Rogers was bizaarro, and the legacy of losing and reputation around the league for being a place where players go before they retire for one or two final paychecks is only erased by winning...something that has been evasive to say the least.

[gregstephens]

Why are we discussing tossing 100 large at a defensive player? I thought everyone was pretty much on board that the defense ISN'T our primary area of concern at this point.

Unless Peppers can make 100 catches a year or become another Willie Anderson, this topic is a bit misguided.

[BengalPimp]

Aside from the fact that Peppers will command a huge contract, he has already stated numerous times, he wants to go somewhere where he can play OLB in a 3-4 defense, as opposed to a DE in a 4-3. We don't run a 3-4.....so I wouldn't sign a player who wants to change positions all by himself, rather than helping out a team wherever he can.

[SupaBran]

My problem is will we have a chance at any difference making free agents with this PoS "owner".

Let's face it, we either bring in free agents on the downward slope of their careers like Sam Adams, Roy Williams, and Coles or young players with a checkered background like Ced Benson.

We don't bring in established players in the prime of their careers...it's just how it is.

I am hardly a defender of SoP, as I feel he is as cheap as the day is long but I think you need to check some history.

Here is a short list of good FA's, maybe not the Top-Shelf, but decent (meaning they made the team better) none-the-less, who've been brought here.

Antwan Odom

Garrison Hearst

Rogers Beckett

Kevin Hardy

Duane Clemons

Oliver Gibson

Richmond Webb

Jon Kitna

Jeff Burris

Lorenzo Neal

Tony Williams

John Thornton

Nate Webster

Kenny Watson

Kim Herring

Tory James

Deltha O'Neal (Trade)

Carl Powell

Anthony Mitchell

etc, etc, etc.

They bring folks in. They just don't seem to want to/try to get the big fish with any frequency. Not getting Shaun Rogers was bizaarro, and the legacy of losing and reputation around the league for being a place where players go before they retire for one or two final paychecks is only erased by winning...something that has been evasive to say the least.

You're making my point for me...we don't bring in Top Shelf free agents...that's my point...

[SupaBran]

Why are we discussing tossing 100 large at a defensive player? I thought everyone was pretty much on board that the defense ISN'T our primary area of concern at this point.

Unless Peppers can make 100 catches a year or become another Willie Anderson, this topic is a bit misguided.

I wasn't necessarily talking about Peppers, I was just making a point that we don't bring in free agents like him. I would love to sign Brandon Marshall but we all know that won't happen.

[SupaBran]

Aside from the fact that Peppers will command a huge contract, he has already stated numerous times, he wants to go somewhere where he can play OLB in a 3-4 defense, as opposed to a DE in a 4-3. We don't run a 3-4.....so I wouldn't sign a player who wants to change positions all by himself, rather than helping out a team wherever he can.

Agreed!

While were at it, why is Peppers being compared to the late great Reggie White?

[BengalPimp]

Aside from the fact that Peppers will command a huge contract, he has already stated numerous times, he wants to go somewhere where he can play OLB in a 3-4 defense, as opposed to a DE in a 4-3. We don't run a 3-4.....so I wouldn't sign a player who wants to change positions all by himself, rather than helping out a team wherever he can.

Agreed!

While were at it, why is Peppers being compared to the late great Reggie White?

I'm not sure, but I think they were comparing Peppers to Reggie in terms of the impact that had on Green Bay for signing a player of that caliber.....I don't think they were comparing them as players....beacuse you just can't.

[Kazkal]

This would be great except for the Haynesworth sized contract he is going to be wanting. I don't think that MB is going to put all of his money into one player, nor do I think he should. No one player is worth a 100 mil contract.

One player who isn't the queen bee.

[Kazkal]

Here is a short list of good FA's, maybe not the Top-Shelf, but decent (meaning they made the team better) none-the-less, who've been brought here.

Every player we ever sign is less skills for less Dollars and until recently didn't given out decent sized contracts and course when we finally do people start calling for their head....Odoms head was called for after one year,Coles head is being called for now and Utechts head is already rolling.

[SupaBran]

Aside from the fact that Peppers will command a huge contract, he has already stated numerous times, he wants to go somewhere where he can play OLB in a 3-4 defense, as opposed to a DE in a 4-3. We don't run a 3-4.....so I wouldn't sign a player who wants to change positions all by himself, rather than helping out a team wherever he can.

Agreed!

While were at it, why is Peppers being compared to the late great Reggie White?

I'm not sure, but I think they were comparing Peppers to Reggie in terms of the impact that had on Green Bay for signing a player of that caliber.....I don't think they were comparing them as players....beacuse you just can't.

Ok, thanks...I can see that

[SupaBran]

Here is a short list of good FA's, maybe not the Top-Shelf, but decent (meaning they made the team better) none-the-less, who've been brought here.

Every player we ever sign is less skills for less Dollars and until recently didn't given out decent sized contracts and course when we finally do people start calling for their head....Odoms head was called for after one year,Coles head is being called for now and Utechts head is already rolling.

Odom was an excellent signing, even if he doesn't return to last year's form after a really bad injury, you can still see that he deserved the money.

Yes, Coles did receive a decent sized contract and while it can be said he needs a year to learn the system and timing with Carson, he is clearly on his last leg.

And don't get me started on that country music playing doofus...he blows and should have never been brought here as the answer to begin with.

[walzav29]

I'm telling you we need a perfect defense to get to the Superbowl. The Jets had a very good defense, but to beat Peyton you have to be perfect. They will have to get to Manning or Brady.

[gregstephens]

I'm telling you we need a perfect defense to get to the Superbowl. The Jets had a very good defense, but to beat Peyton you have to be perfect. They will have to get to Manning or Brady.

And I'm telling you we are as likely to get an even better defense by letting our young guys mature and develop, even more likely, than dropping a huge chunk of change on one veteran. Antwan Odom stayed healthy for an entire season and who knows what could have happened.

Brady? I believe they were one and out weren't they? Losing a first round game in a more embarrassing fashion than we did to a team we beat twice? Brady's hey-day is done until the Pats retool.

[wpeldios]

Signing Peppers for the type of money he is going to command would be absolutely crippling to this team. The guy is talented, but he is not dominant, and he is definitely not worth what he is expecting to get. Also, I really don't see this as a signing that will push us over the top.