Kazkal Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 .comHead coach Marvin Lewis said Monday he’s “very confident” the Bengals can retain free agent defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer while giving indications his staff is not going to change much in 2010.Offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said Monday that as far as he knows he’s going to be back in the job for the 10th season. And as Lewis heads into the last year of his deal he said “I imagine” he’ll have talks with Bengals president Mike Brown about his own status beyond 2010. God I hope he's lieing"Bangs head in to wall" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I've come to learn with the Bengals, that stuff like this has to be taken with a grain of salt. They can say what they want right now and then turn around shortly thereafter and can someone. I'll take the wait and see approach here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I've come to learn with the Bengals, that stuff like this has to be taken with a grain of salt. They can say what they want right now and then turn around shortly thereafter and can someone. I'll take the wait and see approach here.YaI guess thats best way to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 That's what they did with Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 That's what they did with Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season. Currently, I think too much is being made of that. Frazier wasn't fired for lack of performance, but rather...because he and Lewis had vast disagreements about how to build the defense long-term. All season long Lewis has spoken about how closely he's worked with Brat about changing the offensive focus from pass to run, the shift to an unbalanced blocking scheme, and until gutted by injuries....a new playbook featuring the TE position. In short, they seem to be on the same crumpled page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Ugh. Brat and Alexander have got to go. Hopefully somebody comes knocking and signs Brat away...We should be so lucky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 whatever.Maybe someone will swoop brat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 That's what they did with Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season. Currently, I think too much is being made of that. Frazier wasn't fired for lack of performance, but rather...because he and Lewis had vast disagreements about how to build the defense long-term. All season long Lewis has spoken about how closely he's worked with Brat about changing the offensive focus from pass to run, the shift to an unbalanced blocking scheme, and until gutted by injuries....a new playbook featuring the TE position. In short, they seem to be on the same crumpled page.My point was that he was fired several days after Lewis said there would be no changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillycuse Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I think we all know Brat isnt going anywhere.We ranked in the top 10 of rushing. Successful season. Dont look at the fact the overall offense is in the bottom third.Im resigned to the fact that not much will change. Ill be excited if it does. BUt I am not gonna be checking ESPN every day looking for the story ...'Bengals have Fired OC Bob Bratkowski'.lets just get everyone healthy and move on with what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 My point was that he was fired several days after Lewis said there would be no changes. Understood. But the relationship between Marvin and Brat doesn't seem as frayed as between Frazier and Lewis. In fact, I'd say the only success the Bengals offense experienced this season was due to both men, in partnership, correctly determining the rosters weaknesses and planning accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I actually do expect plenty of offensive change. But I'm guessing Brat will be here managing the changes. The Bengals need more weapons to be sure, but what they need most is a talent upgrade on the offensive line that allows the offense to run more tradional pass blocking schemes. But I'm not suggesting the Bengals need to flush two or three starters to improve. In fact, just as we witnessed leading up to last years draft...I think the presence of Andrew Whitworth gives the Bengals real flexibility when shopping for the much needed upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I dont see Brat going anywhere anytime soon. I hated alot of what Brat did, but sometimes Palmer did not execute the plays that were called so i can not always blame brat.With that said i think they need to get more talent in here for Palmer to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Ugh. Brat and Alexander have got to go. Hopefully somebody comes knocking and signs Brat away...We should be so lucky...Unfortunately no team is that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Ugh. Brat and Alexander have got to go. Hopefully somebody comes knocking and signs Brat away...We should be so lucky...Unfortunately no team is that stupid.Agreed. Whether or not Brat and Marvin are on the same page is beside the point to me. Brat's offense this year was horrible. All the penalties are a direct result of him not getting play calls in on time and him failing to coach this team up to get lined up correctly and not start before the ball is snapped. I know Hair will say most of those flags are the players' fault, but I still believe that it's ultimately the coaches job to make sure those things are corrected. As Brat is the head of the offense that responsibility is on him and he failed. Throw that in with the total LACK of creativity and stale offense and I say it's time to go in a different direction. I truly can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I know Hair will say most of those flags are the players' fault, but.... Let's be clear on this one. I not only place most of the blame for penalties on the players themselves...I also place most of the blame for the underwhelming offensive production on the players. I'll even go this far. IMHO Bengal players have historically attempted to defer responsibility for their own personal failures to the front office or coaching staff in the belief that frustrated fans will..."ultimately"....look no further in their search for suitable scapegoats. NADS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 That's what they did with Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season. Currently, I think too much is being made of that. Frazier wasn't fired for lack of performance, but rather...because he and Lewis had vast disagreements about how to build the defense long-term. All season long Lewis has spoken about how closely he's worked with Brat about changing the offensive focus from pass to run, the shift to an unbalanced blocking scheme, and until gutted by injuries....a new playbook featuring the TE position. In short, they seem to be on the same crumpled page.was marvin working with? or was he teaching brat. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 marvin did not say for sure, so until then there still hope! i take it as that until then. fingers crossed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 It's been glossed over to this point, but let me ask a direct question as I haven't given it much thought until now.IF Brat gets the boot, who becomes the new OC ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 It's been glossed over to this point, but let me ask a direct question as I haven't given it much thought until now.IF Brat gets the boot, who becomes the new OC ??Not sure, but I'd be willing to take a chance with a complete unknown at this point as apposed to another season with Brat calling the plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 IF Brat gets the boot, who becomes the new OC ?? Hue Jackson-Has worked with the team before and Is a Marvin guy aka zimmer,He works well with Wide Receivers who have been underachieving for us and has history with Carson which may help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Mike Mularkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 IF Brat gets the boot, who becomes the new OC ?? Hue Jackson-Has worked with the team before and Is a Marvin guy aka zimmer,He works well with Wide Receivers who have been underachieving for us and has history with Carson which may help.Hue... maybe. Would "want" to leave Baltimore? He's bringing Flacco along nicely, has a good line and if Cameron gets sniffed for a HC job, thenMularkey? c'mon. How about Zampese? the good soldier, investing his time developing Carson. I bet he can't wait to get a crack. Wonder how well he has worked with Brat, given so much of hat Brat does is obviously stupid.How about Mike Leach? talk about a pistol-whipping passing attack...obviously they'd need to adapt it around the running game but he does fit the SoP "redeemer"-style hire. Also could be a possible HC down the line. He and Zimmer probably would click easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 IF Brat gets the boot, who becomes the new OC ?? Hue Jackson-Has worked with the team before and Is a Marvin guy aka zimmer,He works well with Wide Receivers who have been underachieving for us and has history with Carson which may help.Hue... maybe. Would "want" to leave Baltimore? He's bringing Flacco along nicely, has a good line and if Cameron gets sniffed for a HC job, thenMularkey? c'mon. How about Zampese? the good soldier, investing his time developing Carson. I bet he can't wait to get a crack. Wonder how well he has worked with Brat, given so much of hat Brat does is obviously stupid.How about Mike Leach? talk about a pistol-whipping passing attack...obviously they'd need to adapt it around the running game but he does fit the SoP "redeemer"-style hire. Also could be a possible HC down the line. He and Zimmer probably would click easy.Idk,.. Leach is a pass offense guy... Wer'e a running team now... I'd honestly rather get zorn... Yeah he's a dummy for a head coach, but he's pretty good OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hue... maybe. Would "want" to leave Baltimore? He's bringing Flacco along nicely, has a good line and if Cameron gets sniffed for a HC job, thenMularkey? c'mon. -First hoping Hue's contract expires since zimmers did-Two why wouldn't Hue want a shot at being a coordinator? He's gets along with Marvin he's the one who recommend Zimmer why would he wanna be a QB coach over coordinator which he was jipped at getting his shot with the falcons?-I really don't see Cameron getting a HC job any time soon after his 1-15 season,Ravens offense is looking good but not that good...Plus you would think their RB couch would get first crack being they are the ravens offense.How about Zampese? the good soldier, investing his time developing Carson. I bet he can't wait to get a crack. Wonder how well he has worked with Brat, given so much of hat Brat does is obviously stupid.He would be plan B He was Kurt Warners QB couch wasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Mularkey? c'mon. Well, in my defense Mike Brown almost picked Mularkey to be his head coach once, and at the time openly gushed about his offensive concepts. However, I admit I have no clue about his current contract status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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